Why does Young Generation want to leave Pakistan?

[Enigma SIG]

No one wants to be on a sinking ship.
Actually, the ship is already submerged with only the masts above water. It'll be a miracle if it can rise again.
Generals have knee-capped this country for good. Pumping in a good 2 or more hollow point clips for good measure.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Also there are too many criminals within the country.
You have to think like criminal just to survive, that is borderline between respectful people vs low life homeless bums. Homeless people in Pakistan now are prospering.
There is no system, juski lathi uski bhans.


No Azan where I live, is announced on same time, every mosque has own schedule of events for azan call to prayer. When azan is called expect to listen for next 1.5 hours of all nearby Azans repeatedly unsynchronized.
Its total chaos in country, there are better nations than this filth called Pakistan run by chors ghadaars.

Pakistan needs a one party state system like China.

 

[Dr-who]

Pakistan needs a one party state system like China.

Ya we need PPP or president like Zardari
We doomed either way

 

[MultaniGuy]

Ya we need PPP or president like Zardari
We doomed either way

I think the Chinese system is very good,

 

[Rank]

For all this chutyapa... lets thanks to most chutya organization of Pakistan sole experts that ruined Pakistan from top to bottom... first produced corrupt criminals like Zardari and Sharif and then illegally imposed them on the country - aka Pakistan chutya oh i mean Military Establishment... Benstokes kay bachay

 

[ThunderCat]

I agree, human development has the most potential, and to subsidies it requires modernizing the agricultural sector to generate enough surplus food for domestic consumption and export,

That is exactly what got us overpopulated in the first place and is only increasing it. If anyone has bothered reading what I posted on the overpopulation forum they'd realize agricultural expansion is both ecologically destructive and a form of overpopulation:

 

[FuturePAF]

That is exactly what got us overpopulated in the first place and is only increasing it. If anyone has bothered reading what I posted on the overpopulation forum they'd realize agricultural expansion is both ecologically destructive and a form of overpopulation:

All the more reason we can’t continue with the status quo. Had we properly regulated water consumption on agricultural lands, charging their fair market prices, farms would be more productive and attract investment to become even more efficient. The excess labor, in the early years of the nation would move to the cities where tax revenue from agriculture would fund infrastructure projects to attract industrialists and FDI. The labor force would then move up the skill ladder and as in all other countries the fertility rate would drop. Excess food would be exported and instead of subsistence farming, corporate farming would be better regulated, protecting the environment as it went along.

Now that is a “what if” thought experiment, but it doesn’t mean we can’t implement some of those methods that will, through free will, incentivize the slowing down of the fertility rate. Charging market rate for water is one way to move in this direction.

If we had proper management or get back on track soon, going to a population of 400 million over the next 30-50 years isn’t the worst thing that could be happening to us. It just raises the stakes for any decision that is made because Pakistan will be either the 5th or 6th largest population on the planet. It extends our demographic dividend window a few decades longer then our immediate and regional neighbors/competitors and gives us a chance to catch up, in terms of living standards, by mid to late century. The population looks like it will stabilize at 400 million, according to the most recent predictions, which can be an asset to national interests in its own right.

If we are to catchup with regard to human capital development we will also have to close the gap created with regards to agricultural modernization and address stunted growth and stagnant brain development from poor nutrition. Industrialization definitely comes at an environmental cost, but the alternative is a large population of subsistence farmers and more of the same kind of farming that grows until some catastrophic event that cause a mass die off. Either way, the environment is going to be burdened. Why not do it in a more regulated way that will be better for the environment and the human population in the long run. We just need visionary leadership to guide us for the next 20-30 years to set the nation on the right track.

 

[ThunderCat]

All the more reason we can’t continue with the status quo. Had we properly regulated water consumption on agricultural lands, charging their fair market prices, farms would be more productive and attract investment to become even more efficient. The excess labor, in the early years of the nation would move to the cities where tax revenue from agriculture would fund infrastructure projects to attract industrialists and FDI. The labor force would then move up the skill ladder and as in all other countries the fertility rate would drop. Excess food would be exported and instead of subsistence farming, corporate farming would be better regulated, protecting the environment as it went along.

Now that is a “what if” thought experiment, but it doesn’t mean we can’t implement some of those methods that will, through free will, incentivize the slowing down of the fertility rate. Charging market rate for water is one way to move in this direction.

There's only one means to stop this from continuing:

 

[FuturePAF]

There's only one means to stop this from continuing:

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Are you seriously advocating starving people?

Education and human developent is the only humane way to slow population growth. Population growth is slowing in Pakistan, just not at the speed of its neighbors because human and industrial development is falling behind the trends in the rest of South Asia. Get people working in industries in cities and living in apartment buildings and the population growth will slow down like Bangladesh.

 

[ThunderCat]

Are you seriously advocating starving people?

Education and human developent is the only humane way to slow population growth. Population growth is slowing in Pakistan, just not at the speed of its neighbors because human development is not falling behind the trends in the rest of South Asia.

Did you even read the article? Regulating food production is to prevent starvation. Increasing it only increases starvation. Controlling food supply according to population size and no more will keep it more or less static; thereby preventng starvation. Increasing it, only increases the population. Decreasing it decreases the population. But in order to decrease, we have to level it first. Do your math:

https://panearth.org/WVPI/Papers/FoodPopulationSummary.pdf

Too Much Food, Too Many People on a Finite Planet

Salmony writes: Natural resources of the planet are being dissipated; the environment is being degraded. Humans are ravaging the planetary home upon which all of us are utterly dependent for our existence. By so doing now here, we are effectively ruining our children's home as a fit place for...

readersupportednews.org

 

[Enigma SIG]

There's only one means to stop this from continuing:

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Eugenics. Nice.

 

[FuturePAF]

Did you even read the article? Regulating food production is to prevent starvation. Increasing it only increases starvation. Controlling food supply according to population size and no more will keep it more or less static. Incresing it, only increases the population. Decreasing it decreases the population. But in order to decrease, we have to level it first. Do your math:

https://panearth.org/WVPI/Papers/FoodPopulationSummary.pdf

Too Much Food, Too Many People on a Finite Planet

Salmony writes: Natural resources of the planet are being dissipated; the environment is being degraded. Humans are ravaging the planetary home upon which all of us are utterly dependent for our existence. By so doing now here, we are effectively ruining our children's home as a fit place for...

readersupportednews.org

I read the ten year old article (when world population was approximately a billion lower) and one from 2018 and disagree. Considering the Publisher of the 2018 article is the RSN, a Gore 2000 campaign member with an environmentalist first mindset I can see where this Logic is coming from. While populations increase in the developing world they are decreasing in the developed world. We are at 8 billion, The UN estimates global population to max at 10 Billion.

Pakistan does not produce some key staple foods at competitive prices, and has to import them. Too many resources are poured into farms in an unregulated and improperly taxed manner to be generating the low yields our farms do. We should be competitive snoough to generate a surplus and be exporting foods and increasing yields to deal with malnutrition. other incentivizes should be used to slow population growth, like universal and education, especially female education.

Getting people off the farms and into cities and industrial work is best way historically to achieve this. Undercutting food production leaves us vulnerable to domestic shocks like the floods or international shocks like war in Ukraine and forces the people to just import food from abroad.

 

[SabzShaheen]

Many here would love to tell you how they know more about me than me, but you can start at my profile.

The future of PAF interests you? It cannot be bright if all the bright young future pilots want to leave the country.

“This member limits who may view their full profile”

 

[ThunderCat]

Getting people off the farms and into cities and industrial work is best way historically to achieve this. Undercutting food production leaves us vulnerable to domestic shocks like the floods or international shocks like war in Ukraine and forces the people to just import food from abroad.

Yes because farm people produce and consume their own food; hence the birthrate is higher. To that extent I can agree. But overpopulation only occurs on very fertile land.

But industrialization is not the solution to overpopulation. It only fuels and demands more growth. It produces hell of a lot of pollution.

And yes the environment does come first. Maybe read on ecology, which is the biological study of the relationship between living things.

Daniel Quinn and other advocates of food regulation like him all cite ecological studies and not some randomness:

 

[sparten]

If you do not have a buy into the system, are legit, law abiding and want to live a normal life - state considers you a pariah and bends over backwards for those who do entirely the opposite. It eventually won’t even matter if Khan makes it back to the power, military and judiciary - the two cornerstones of Pakistan’s existence have made sure the the country will never see rule of law and will never be run by an apt leadership. The system only exists to cater to whims of a few

I doubt the military and judiciary is going to be doing much of anything going forward. There is absolute shell shock at the reaction the last few months have engendered. At the end of the day these two institutions need public support and until now they have always had it, if grudgingly.