Why does India's Border Security Force Shoot Bangladeshi Civilians?

[masterchief_mirza]

We have elected people in our parliament to throw and shoot illegal immigrants of the border, deal with it !

We never doubted that your elected individuals are a perfect representation of your own suppressed violent tendencies. An assortment of genocide organisers, fundamentalists, rape apologists and outright terrorists form your current majority government. I take it you personally feel well represented in this regard.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Smuggling is a fact
Trafficking is a fact
Illegal crossing is a fact..

That being said, is it ethical to kill people because they engage in aforementioned unlawful activities?

Okay. Arrest them and starve them until their country takes them back.

- PRTP GWD

 

[magra]

You can make a new thread on it if you like

I am good. The thread ban and warning has dampened my enthusiasm to contribute here.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Bangladeshi killed allegedly in BSF firing

With marks of bullet wounds, the body of a Bangladeshi man was seen lying on the Indian side of the border near Juri upazila of Moulvibazar yesterday, said locals.

www.thedailystar.net

Bangladeshi killed allegedly in BSF firing
March 21, 2021.
(Our Correspondent, Moulvibazar)
With marks of bullet wounds, the body of a Bangladeshi man was seen lying on the Indian side of the border near Juri upazila of Moulvibazar yesterday, said locals.

The locals identified the deceased as Bappa Miya, 30, a cattle trader, who lived in a village of the district's Fultala union. They suspect that he was shot dead by the Indian Border Security Force (BSF).

Talking to this correspondent, Border Guard Bangladesh (BGB) members, however, said they were yet to confirm whether the man was a Bangladeshi and how he died.

Subedar Delwar Hossain, commander of BGB-52 Battalion's Fultala camp, said communications between the two border forces were underway in this regard.

Several locals said Bappa left his house on Friday evening. Around 4:00am yesterday, a few shots of fire were heard in the border area. His body was seen along the zero line on the Indian side of the border near East Batuli area around 7:00am.

Locals then informed the matter to a Fultala Union Parishad member named Md Moinuddin.

Moinuddin said it appeared that BSF personnel shot Bappa and left his body there. He said he informed the police and the BGB about the incident.

Juri Police Station Officer-in-Charge Sanjay Chakraborty said locals have alleged that the Bangladeshi man was killed in BSF firing. The BGB would be able to give further details, he said.

Contacted, Lt Col Shah Alam Siddiqui, commander of the BGB 52 Battalion, said they were trying to hold a flag meeting with their Indian counterpart.

"Since the incident took place on the other side of the border, it is not possible to say anything until the flag meeting," he said.
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Indian News media report on this incident is linked here ( Link )

 

[fallstuff]

We have elected people in our parliament to throw and shoot illegal immigrants of the border, deal with it !

So no one is looking after the economy obviously as it is on tail spin !

 

[lightoftruth]

So no one is looking after the economy obviously as it is on tail spin !

India's economy may grow at 12% in 2021: Moody's

A stronger than expected December quarter GDP growth of 0.4 per cent following a 7.5 per cent contraction in the previous three months has turned India's near-term prospects more favourable, it said.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

It is expected to grow in Double digits ,worry about yourself.

 

[Gilljutt]

Why are Bangladeshis risky death to enter India. Are things that bad in Bangladesh?

 

[fallstuff]

India's economy may grow at 12% in 2021: Moody's

A stronger than expected December quarter GDP growth of 0.4 per cent following a 7.5 per cent contraction in the previous three months has turned India's near-term prospects more favourable, it said.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

It is expected to grow in Double digits ,worry about yourself.

Ahh the good old Indian " We will grow 12% in such and such time." I actually hope that India does grow at that rate !

 

[magra]

Ahh the good old Indian " We will grow 12% in such and such time." I actually hope that India does grow at that rate !

We should not see too much into this growth rate. Economy shrunk in 2020, so obviously the growth rate would be higher subsequently due to the lower base.

 

[Baibars_1260]

It is amazing how every one derails the thread into the economy.

• Bangladeshis say they are the richest
• Indians say they are richer.

So whoever has the "fattest wallet" is the winner in a war ? .

History says otherwise. The " fat wallet " often loses

The Soviet Union on the verge of famine, with one third of its agricultural land captured, and two thirds of its industrial resources destroyed, beat Nazi Germany which had all of Europe's industrial and economic might behind it In the Battle of Stalingrad in 1943.
Poor subsistence Afrikaan farmers in South Africa beat the mighty British Empire in the First Boer War in 1881 C.E.
The Mamelukes, impoverished, and hemmed in by the rich and mighty Mongol Empire that had destroyed the powerful Caliphate of Baghdad, delivered a crushing defeat in it in 1260 C.E. at the Battle of Ayn e Jalout.

The fat wallet Saudis cant trounce starving disease ridden Houthi insurgents.

So I won't bet on either Bangladesh or India winning this war to change the demographics of India's North East. Bangladesh needs the land north of Sylhet, and India will defend its territory to the end. A "fat wallet" is not going to help.

So who has the "fattest wallet" ?

 

[magra]

It is amazing how every one derails the thread into the economy.

• Bangladeshis say they are the richest
• Indians say they are the richer.

So whoever has the "fattest wallet" is the winner in a war ? .

History says otherwise. The " fat wallet " often loses

The Soviet Union on the verge of famine, with one third of its agricultural land captured, and two thirds of its industrial resources destroyed, beat Nazi Germany which had all of Europe's industrial and economic might behind it In the Battle of Stalingrad in 1943.
Poor subsistence Afrikaan farmers in South Africa beat the mighty British Empire in the First Boer War in 1881 C.E.
The Mamelukes, impoverished, and hemmed in by the rich and mighty Mongol Empire that had destroyed the powerful Caliphate of Baghdad, delivered a crushing defeat in it in 1260 C.E. at the Battle of Ayn e Jalout.

The fat wallet Saudis cant trounce starving disease ridden Houthi insurgents.

So I won't bet on either Bangladesh or India winning this war to change the demographics of India's North East. Bangladesh needs the land north of Sylhet, and India will defend its territory to the end. A "fat wallet" is not going to help.

So who has the "fattest wallet" ?

Wars of a military nature are fought few times in decades, but a war (struggle) for a decent living is fought daily. These struggles are won by a fatter wallet.

 

[xyxmt]

because they cannot fight with anyone with a weapon, even if its a barb wired baseball bat.

 

[Baibars_1260]

because they cannot fight with anyone with a weapon, even if its a barb wired baseball bat.

Perhaps...but the title of this thread is : "Why does India's Border Security Force Shoot Bangladeshi Civilians?"
There are no clashes between India's Border Security Force and Bangladesh Border Guards.

Here is my 2 cents answer to the question.

There is a one way population movement from
Bangladesh to India across the border, due to the following reasons.

1. Wealth distribution in and rural development in Bangladesh is skewed, even though economic data is manipulated for public consumption.
( Link )
India has done a better job of rural development and employment on its side.
The BGB chief attributed the movement of people due inadequate development.

2.,There is also human trafficking and cattle smuggling activities, prompted by lack of human rights protections. A skewed animal
husbandry and livestock development has resulted in a perpetual cattle shortage in Bangladesh.

3. Depletion of land resources due to climate change, and soil erosion has resulted in displacement of small and medium farmers reducing them into unskilled low wage earning labor that is unable to find employment in Bangladesh .

4. Minorities in Bangladesh particularly Hindus feel marginalized and insecure and hence attempt to get to India for a better life.

The Border Guards Bangladesh ; (BGB), makes no attempt to police it's borders, and warn it's populations living on the border to not attempt to cross over. No Bangladeshis are arrested by the BGB on its own side. By contrast India's BSF arrests and shoots Indian citizens violating the border as well. All Indian citizens arrested or shot are smugglers moving across the boundary, not to escape from India but to collaborate with their Bangladeshi counterparts.

The BSF can arrest Bangladeshi citizens just as it arrests its own citizens and prosecute them by the due process of the law buf it chooses not to do so for the following reasons:
( a ) The number of Bangladeshi citizens attempting to cross over
is very large and the BSF cannot spare resources for a formal arrest detention, and legal prosecution.

(b) In wartime enemy civilians violating the border are shot. The BSF treats Bangladeshis as an enemy, even though there is no open war between Bangladesh and India. The BSF personnel are aware of the persecution of minorities in Bangladesh. Being mostly comprised of Hindus itself, they seem to have developed a bias. This is born out by the fact that the BSF personnel have been known to cross over into Bangladeshi territory, and shoot civilians or abduct them and subject them to torture and rape.
These actions are not part of the official policy but by rogue elements within the BSF. There is evidence that the BSF has attempted to punish those personnel who violate standing orders.

 

[Capt. Karnage]

Whether you are a pakistani or bangladesi if you try to infiltrate our borders you will be shot and you should not complain as it's your fault and stupidity. Majority of bangladesis who cross our borders are smugglers and criminals sometimes innocent civilians too are shot as it is difficult to distinguish between them.

I remember Pakistanis once made a lot of hue and cry over the incident of and elderly woman killed by Indian firing. That woman was approaching the Indian border in pitch dark at 3 am in the morning, it was a very wise thing to do as in such situations it very hard to identify a human figure. Now given the goodwill that pakistan enjoy with us by sending terrorists inside our borders the BSF personnel couldn't take any chances.

because they cannot fight with anyone with a weapon, even if its a barb wired baseball bat.

Lol says a cheap pakistani troll. Just because you and your iron biradars hide casualties doesn't mean you can fight. If you have any doubt come to battlefield doubt will be cleared as always.

because they cannot fight with anyone with a weapon, even if its a barb wired baseball bat.

Your niazi and Bajwa are sueing for peace should tell you something. We made no such requests

 

[Baibars_1260]

I remember Pakistanis once made a lot of hue and cry over the incident of and elderly woman killed by Indian firing. That woman was approaching the Indian border in pitch dark at 3 am in the morning, it was a very wise thing to do as in such situations it very hard to identify a human figure. Now given the goodwill that pakistan enjoy with us by sending terrorists inside our borders the BSF personnel couldn't take any chances.

Please stick to the topic and not bring Pakistan into this . There is a big difference between unarmed Bangladeshis shot crossing the international border and Kashmiri militants crossing the LOC.

India and Pakistan are in a state of war.
The militants on the LOC are heavily armed and are crossing over to die in India not to live in India. What is more they gun down the BSF personnel also. ( Link ) . The BSF do not cross over to shoot, abduct, torture or rape Pakistani citizens because they can't. They have to face the Pakistani Rangers, and there will be retribution by BAT teams ( Link ) .
A ceasefire is only agreed upon when there is a stalemate. A winning side NEVER agrees to a ceasefire until all military objectives are attained by the total collapse or surrender of the enemy . Your Rawat and Narvane know that, and as a so called "Captain " you would be knowing this too. Who made the request for a ceasefire is unknown, and immaterial. What is relevant is that India being vastly superior in military might to Pakistan agreed to a ceasefire just as it has done so before in 2003. This is tantamount to a World Boxing Champion calling off a fight with a University boxer whom he should have flattened and knocked out.

Once again please stick to the topic before you are reported to the mods.