Why does China keep supporting Burma in the Rohingya crisis?

[Bengal71]

US will literally butt*uck China in air-sea battle right now.

China is smart enough to realise this as you say.

More importantly, China will not favor MM over BD. China has got a lot of money to make in BD, much much more than MM, and China needs a larger sphere of influence amongit's neighbors in Asia to be a great power. They won't antagonize a friendly country like BD for a shithole like MM. They are not building the BIR for nothing. So I don't think China will get into this kind of zero sum game. These are just hype nationalist Chinese morons who are talking crap, Chinese policy makers are far smarter and they are the oned who matter.

But in case they do which is extremely unlikely, Uncle Sam will be here, right here in the bay. They dealt with far more capable, far more crazy and ruthless Soviets in Afghanistan, China will be walk in the park in comparison.

 

[ghost250]

@CHACHA"G" @Arsalan
I thought I'd do a bit of research here on PDF about this person's obsession with these here words:
"intelligent"
"clever"
"forex"
"Bangladesh will be ...."
"false flag"
"butt-hurt"
"butt-hurts".
I started to count the number of times he's used these, when I got to a hundred and sixty, I gave-up.

he either projects his pain by calling people "butt-hurt" or says "you are not intelligent enough or clever enough to debate with ..."

provoke then blame when responded to, classic!

what provocation...??!! ohh,they do have the right to choose side and support a genocidal regime but we dont have the right to raise our voice against that wrong act,naah??

 

[JohnWick]

Sure, and lose all their carriers and capital ships to China's enormous stockpile of DF-26 anti-ship ballistic missiles. What a great trade, an expensive carrier, dozens of jet fighters and thousands of naval personnel in exchange for a cheap missile.

What happens though... if America again sends their carriers, like in 1971, but not on Bangladesh's side? Just like 1971?

Let me guess, you'll turn to India again. Except that India is also selling weapons to Myanmar.

US has EW shields which can Jammed any blastic missile and Patriotic missiles .Also there carriers has goal keeper Gun which can easily destroy any incoming blastic missiles in air.Their carriers are unsinkable.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

More importantly, China will not favor MM over BD. China has got a lot of money to make in BD, much much more than MM, and China needs a larger sphere of influence amongit's neighbors in Asia to be a great power. They won't antagonize a friendly country like BD for a shithole like MM. They are not building the BIR for nothing. So I don't think China will get into this kind of zero sum game. These are just hype nationalist Chinese morons who are talking crap, Chinese policy makers are far smarter and they are the oned who matter.

But in case they do which is extremely unlikely, Uncle Sam will be here, right here in the bay. They dealt with far more capable, far more crazy and ruthless Soviets in Afghanistan, China will be walk in the park in comparison.

LOL you realize China fought directly against the USA + 16 of her allies combined, during the 1950 Korean War when China didn't even have an airforce? And we pushed them into the longest retreat in the history of the US military.

Now tell me that Bangladesh has more fighting power than the US + all of her allies combined.

By the way, it was Bangladesh who chose to spit in China's face when we offered to fix the Rohingya problem bilaterally, as we did with the Kokang. And now Bangladesh is completely screwed, Myanmar will not recognize the Rohingya as citizens like they did for the Kokang.

 

[JohnWick]

Yeah China is more advanced than US since you say so.
Let grown ups debate here.

I don't think I said that.

 

[Bengal71]

LOL you realize China fought directly against the USA + 16 of her allies combined, during the 1950 Korean War when China didn't even have an airforce? And we pushed them into the longest retreat in the history of the US military.

Now tell me that Bangladesh has more fighting power than the US + all of her allies combined.

By the way, it was Bangladesh who chose to spit in China's face when we offered to fix the Rohingya problem bilaterally, as we did with the Kokang. And now Bangladesh is completely screwed, Myanmar will not recognize the Rohingya as citizens like they did for the Kokang.

In 1950s you had nothing to lose and you were not the threat for the US supremacy, the Soviets were the game then. Today you are the new Soviet for the US, they will grab any opportunity with two hands to fvck you. Just like they fvcked the Soviets in the Afghan war. You are an hyper nationalist moron like many of your Chinese compatriots here. Chinese government is not like you. They won't send army to assist MM, and BD won't invade MM either. Now go to sleep, I don't want to waste my time with you.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

In 1950s you had nothing to lose and you were not the threat for the US supremacy, the Soviets were the game then. Today you are the new Soviet for the US, they will grab any opportunity with two hands to fvck you. Just like they fvcked the Soviets in the Afghan war. You are an hyper nationalist moron like many of your Chinese compatriots here. Chinese government is not like you. They won't send army to assist MM, and BD won't invade MM either. Now go to sleep, I don't want to waste my time with you.

LOL I'm not a hyper nationalist at all, not even close.

I'm a patriot, which means I feel sick and disgusted when I see Bangladeshis talking crap about China, for doing the same thing that Bangladesh is doing, i.e. trying to maintain good relations with Myanmar.

China offered to bilaterally resolve the Rohingya problem, just like we did with the Kokang. But Bangladesh chose to spit in our face and make it an international issue, now Myanmar will NEVER take the Rohingya back.

 

[UKBengali]

In 1950s you had nothing to lose and you were not the threat for the US supremacy, the Soviets were the game then. Today you are the new Soviet for the US, they will grab any opportunity with two hands to fvck you. Just like they fvcked the Soviets in the Afghan war. You are an hyper nationalist moron like many of your Chinese compatriots here. Chinese government is not like you. They won't send army to assist MM, and BD won't invade MM either. Now go to sleep, I don't want to waste my time with you.

Dude sounds like a broken record player when he keeps going on about Korea.

China had a 5:1 kill ratio against it at that war and they had nothing to lose and an ability to absorb those losses. US could have easily won by dropping Atom bombs but decided to spare them for one reason or another

Now China does not even have the human wave tactic option as the one-child policy has meant that the Chinese public will not allow the CCP to send in hundreds to thousands of troops to be slaughtered by US airpower, as losing the single child soldier would be the destruction of the whole family tree.

I do not take most of the Chinese PDF posters seriously as they are spoilt and brattish since they are only child in family.

 

[Species]

Last night I left the thread with @Chinese-Dragon suggesting Bangladeshi military are not even capable to hold a 250km border from unarmed refugees. Now he is suggesting to form an alliance among China, Myanmar, Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka to fight against Bangladesh.

That's a pretty high bar for a PDF Think Tank. Even Indian trolls have matured beyond his level.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Last night I left the thread with @Chinese-Dragon suggesting Bangladeshi military are not even capable to hold a 250km border from unarmed refugees. Now he is suggesting to form an alliance among China, Myanmar, Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka to fight against Bangladesh.

That's a pretty high bar for a PDF Think Tank. Even Indian trolls have matured beyond his level.

Ad hominem attacks are a sign of someone who can't argue with facts.

Now he is suggesting to form an alliance among China, Myanmar, Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka to fight against Bangladesh.

I never said that.

What I said is that China, India and Pakistan are all selling weapon systems to Myanmar. Which is a fact.

 

[Nilgiri]

Why talking of transferring the Rohingya population only and why not the region of Arakan itself as well when it and its people were transferred only in 1937 by the Presidency of Bengal to the Union of Burma (for an easy administration) both under the British.

Again, read what I said. British could have transferred it back (to bengal) before leaving the area (and then arakanese if suitable leave to rest of Burma) after doing a demographic survey (and any required mini partition of the area based on ethnic composition)...but they didn't.

Thus the people that "don't belong" have to move to the more appropriate political entity...and take up the issue with the British long term (for compensation of the hurried action)....not the country they found themselves in and venting "please annex us" rona drona for decades to the neighbour. Funny someone earlier brought up "karma" (as haraam as that is to Islam)...because the actual Karma (with results you can see today) actually comes from the original action of Rohingya to assume they cannot live with the Burmese and integrate.

 

[bluesky]

Again, read what I said. British could have transferred it back (to bengal) before leaving the area (and then arakanese if suitable leave to rest of Burma) after doing a demographic survey (and any required mini partition of the area based on ethnic composition)...but they didn't.

Who told you British took them from Bengal? Whoever Indian citizens were taken by the British to work in Burma were kicked out to India after 1948. Rohingyas do not belong to that group. They have been living there since at least 1410 CE.

They are the native Arakanese like the Buddhist Arakanese. Only the Burmese are foreigners there. Arakan was added to the Union of Burma in 1937 with all the indigenous people including those who call themselves Rohingya. How do you propose the natives be expelled?

 

[Nilgiri]

Who told you British took them from Bengal? Whoever Indian citizens were taken by the British to work in Burma were kicked out to India after 1948. Rohingyas do not belong to that group. They have been living there since at least 1410 CE.

They are the native Arakanese like the Buddhist Arakanese. Only the Burmese are foreigners there. Arakan was added to the Union of Burma in 1937 with all the indigenous people including those who call themselves Rohingya. How do you propose the natives be expelled?

I am talking about the territory (Arakan) not the people living there (whatever % are rohingya and % are buddhist arakanese etc were back then in those times). @Aung Zaya has been over this kind of thing (i.e when the population influxes from all sides happened on top of some "base" native population)...and it's always contentious issue to begin with. Given how BD people have illegaly migrated in general to other countries in the region, it makes me lean towards the Burmese narrative that a large part of the Rohingya are recent arrivals (both under British raj and after).

So once a border is made, you migrate to the right side (if you dont believe in integrating/coexisting with the new current country you are in) and take it up with the people that made that border/delineation long term for any compensation (eg. chagossian islanders who were transferred to mauritius not letting the issue slide with the British).

OR you stay and integrate and integrate well into the new country (pro tip, dont start yelling for annexation from another as first thing you do).

What you don't do is play a dirty game (stay put + call for annexation + resist integration+loyalty to country you are in) and then resort to victim complex when things don't go your way....and then say its all "China's fault" or something ridiculous (because they don't back you or something). @Chinese-Dragon @dy1022 @GeraltofRivia

You still have yet to explain what you mean by "Rohingya should stop Chinese efforts in Arakan"...are you hinting ARSA should take terrorist action? Because you are simply proving Burma was right to displace the total population to nip the ARSA problem in the bud. ARSA murdered lot of non-muslim rohingya in cold blood (who were deemed to be pro-Burmese state) too... but it gets no mention in western MSM. They are too hell bent on having cookie cutter situation ("good vs evil" always plays the easiest music, whether its true or not), just like they were in final stages of the Sri Lankan civil war (which has many parallels given the whole incomplete partition that went on there from the British Raj times too).

 

[GeraltofRivia]

I am talking about the territory (Arakan) not the people living there (whatever % are rohingya and % are buddhist arakanese etc were back then in those times). @Aung Zaya has been over this kind of thing (i.e when the population influxes from all sides happened on top of some "base" native population)...and it's always contentious issue to begin with. Given how BD people have illegaly migrated in general to other countries in the region, it makes me lean towards the Burmese narrative that a large part of the Rohingya are recent arrivals (both under British raj and after).

We should be quite conscious that the current Rohingya issue has a long history and had its root cause from the British colonial period. While we are sympathetic to the misery of common people (including Rohingya Muslim, Rohingya Hindu and Arakanese), it is more than just a humanitarian issue.

International historians generally agree that while there has been continuous people movement in the past (maybe going both ways depending on how far you look back), mostly modern Rohingya people migrated into Arakan during British colonial period of 19th and 20th centuries. This migration was encouraged by British India authority, facilitied by the merger of Arakan into Bengal presidency by the East India Company. It could be much discontent among locals, but the violence was rare under the British rule.

The WWII has been a key period when when the violence erupted between the Rohingya group, which was armed by British and was supposed to fight Japanese, and Rakhines, which was armed by Japanese. The tension and conflict were spread to wider Myanmar with the retreat of the British. The violence at much lower level probably has been ongoing since the independence of Myanmar.

The recent eruption of the crisis is a humanitarian crisis and tragedy for sure but it could become a lot worse when external players get involved. Just have a look at the countries seen “international intervention”. China together with India, who also is quite conscious it is not in its best interest in seeing someone’s aircraft carriers and bombers in the neighborhood, had tried to keep the issue locally and not spin out of control.

Given how much Bangladesh economy is dependent on garment trade, one can be assured that when there is an armed conflict (to these who like to talk about a limited war), all international investment will be pulled out when the investors have any doubt about the security of their investment. 7% annual growth and upcoming LDC graduation will be a dream.

 

[lonelyman]

Chinese are arrogant and diplomatically inept.

They have grown too big for their boots and the rest of Asia will bring them back into line.

First, non interference is China's official policy

Second, from Realpolitik view, BD is not an ally like Pakistan, China has huge investments and interests in MM, why should we sacrifice that for BD? BD is our friend and development partner, so is MM, we don't favor one over another. Under no circumstances, we view BD as an enemy, please don't make it so.

For example, your own hasina government appeased to India by canceling Chinese projects, forbidding sub docking etc, that's OK, every country fight for its own interests, good for BD to seek a balance between India and China or to play one against another to extract the best benefits. So don't ask what you wouldn't do to China.

Third, western whites gave a rats *** about rohingya Muslims, like they care about Palestinians, Syrians or Iraqis? Like Trump gave a shit about journalist Khashoggi? Where are the rages for the innocent Middle eastern Muslims killed by non stopping bombing? Don't fall to their cunning plan to create a rift among third world countries.

And stop the China caused all this nonsense, the least we want is instability in the neighborhood.