Why Do We See North Korea as a Joke & Iran as a Threat? .

[Chinese-Dragon]

The better question is why do western media see Israel's nuclear weapons peaceful and a joke but Iran without nuke as a threat ?

Because Israelis have a "Western mindset" and Iranians have an "Eastern mindset".

So the latter one is automatically more dangerous for the West, regardless of nuclear weapons or not.

 

[Karasonmuno]

Well, maybe because Israel isn't threatening to destroy Iran with its nukes. And maybe because Iran is about twenty times the size of Israel.

I never understood why Mahmoud cared about the Palestinians in the first place, they're Sunni Arabs and the Iranians are largely Shi'a Persians. Many young Iranians regard Arabs as subhuman. Shouldn't the Iranians be cheering Israel on instead of protesting on Palestine's behalf, since the Palestinians are just Arabs? Middle Eastern politics...they're even worse than Asian ones.

 

[somebozo]

Yes somebozo. Again Press tv telling the truth. When will we see such truthful and eye-opening articles on Al Arabiya and Al Jazeera do you think??

The love that Arabs, Pakistanis and other "Muslims" have for western imperialism truly brings tears to my eyes. You people would make excellent mercenaries for the American Empire. Oh wait.. You already are as we have seen in Libya and are seeing in Syria...

Idiocy makes me want to bang my head into the wall like a daily ritual.

I am not pro-Arab neither pro-imperial and it looks like you are not familiar with my rants and raves on this forums.
I do not take side but God save the world from Iranian political comedy!

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

A Tyt analysis isn't accurate really.

The DPRK isn't a real threat to the US ,but to the South. The South Koreans now are shaking in their boots ,demanding the Government to consider developing nuclear weapons to deter the DPRK. The North won't dare to attack the US. The rhetoric used by the DPRK regime is a pure exaggeration. Evidently, the DPRK doesn't want to drag itself in a direct confrontation with the US. Their ultimate objective is to unite the Korean Peninsula once more ,which is farfetched from reality. The two Korean States may share few things in common like the language,ethnicity,and culture. However they're ideologically diametric. The North disbelieve in Capitalization, Democratic values, and anti-imperialist. The South is anti-communist ,and Western-friendly. Therefore, we can see that neither the North or the South is willing to untie the country under the adversary's values. Not to mention the geopolitical role in this issue i.e the North is a proxy/ally of the PRC while the other is following the US path. There's a world of difference between them.

Iran is a different story.
Since day one of the revolution, The Iranians wanted a change of heart. Perhaps one of the most notable key element that motivated the Iranians was the unconditional support of the US, UK, and Israel policy given by the Shah in the ME. The Iranians never like the concept of "secularism" the separation between the State and Masjid ,pushing them forward to overthrow the Shah ,and blamed America for everything bad that went through in the past from corruption and beyond. The embassy hostage crisis is an example. It didn't stop at this point ,unfortunately. The Mullahs regime wanted to spread and export the chaos in the Arab world e.g. 1987 Mecca incident. Therefore, many Arabs are concerned about the Mullahs ambitious agenda in the Arab World. Just Look at Iraq now.

Also, Nearly every Israeli sees Iran as an existential threat to Israel ,vowing to wipe it out from the face of the earth.

The US also regard Iran as a State Sponsors of Terrorism ,and that's the bottom line.

But I still wouldn't see the DPRK is a joke. If a regional war broke out in the South East Asia, Millions will kick the bucket " Perish"

 

[KingMamba]

Because China is the one who backs NK, and will be most affected by any fallout.



Thats not really peace, and muslims never conquered any whole continents. Their failure to conquer China stands out.

Muslims never really tried to conquer China, the Abbasids fought them one time and beat routed them but did not press any further.

Later Timur was about to invade China because he felt disrespected by Chinese emperor but died before he could. Besides that Muslims only traded with China.

 

[Cherokee]

Muslims never really tried to conquer China, the Abbasids fought them one time and beat routed them but did not press any further.

Later Timur was about to invade China because he felt disrespected by Chinese emperor but died before he could. Besides that Muslims only traded with China.

By the way why didn't arabs pressed into India . After getting defeated in battle of Rajasthan then did not press further into India , even though they had whole of maghreb even andulasia at one time . Was it because of threat of "gunpowder Empires" like the mughals , ottomans and Safavids ??

But again all three gunpowder empires were in their primes between 14th to 17th century .so something doesn't add up .

 

[KingMamba]

By the way why didn't arabs pressed into India . After getting defeated in battle of Rajasthan then did not press further into India , even though they had whole of maghreb even andulasia at one time . Was it because of threat of "gunpowder Empires" like the mughals , ottomans and Safavids ??

But again all three gunpowder empires were in their primes between 14th to 17th century .so something doesn't add up .

Bunch of reasons, Abbassid overthrow Ummayads, Persians gain autonomy, crusades, rise of the seljuks, Mongols push west obliterating everything, and afterwards only Central Asians invaded India.

Ottoman and mughals had good relations. So did safavids and mughals , only ottomans and safavids did not get along.

 

[raptor22]

First of all comparing these 2 countries is far far away from a sensible and sane approach to this matter:

1. Iran is one of the first signatory of NPT and has ratified the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) while North Korea pulled out of it.

2. Iran's program are under the control of IAEA , it has given the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) more than 4,000 man-days' worth of inspections in recent years, 7-24 on-line control through cameras and around 105 times intrusive inspections, while NK has rejected any type of inspections.

3. There is no credible evidence to support western powers allegation against Iran besides according to the US National Intelligence Estimate's assessment in 2007 and 2011, Iran does not have an active nuclear-weapons programme, whilst NK possesses 10 nuclear weapons and has tested its weapons 3 times.

4. Iran has repeatedly issued that it has not any plan to acquire a nuclear weapon furthermore Iran supreme leader has issued his own fatwa (religious edict or decree) against having nuclear weapons that "Any effort to the production, stockpiling, and use of any type of WMD such as nuclear, chemical and biological weapons are forbidden under Islam and that the Islamic Republic of Iran shall never acquire these weapons." while NK has been threatening its neighbor of an atomic war.

5. Notion of "The Middle East to be a nuclear weapon free zone" has made no progress since Iran proposed the idea almost 40 years ago Israel is the only middle east country with a nuclear arsenal, which was developed in the 1960s. Israel has opposed even discussing nuclear demilitarization moreover Iran has called for nuclear weapons state to disarm... none of them has achieve their goals ...

The point is Iran even with a protected nuclear capability that's essentially a nuclear capability that can't be bombed is a threat to Israel's preferred national security strategy to use force whenever ,wherever in whatever proportion it wants against it neighbors so it means in plain English if israel wants to bomb Gaza or if israel wants to bomb Hezbollah they have to think twice about it , it means "Iran with or without nuclear weapons, is the only nation in the middle east, capable of countering israel's aggressive behavior towards its neighbors"​

 

[jhungary]

Because Israelis have a "Western mindset" and Iranians have an "Eastern mindset".

So the latter one is automatically more dangerous for the West, regardless of nuclear weapons or not.

I hope you are joking when you say Iranian have a "Eastern" mindset.

Iranian have nothing like Eastern mindset. They have their own. In fact, at one point, Iranian is the jewel of Middle East and their thinking actually preceded both Modern Eastern and Western mindset. And from what I know of, Iranian are very proud of that facts.

On topic

It have to be because Iranian hold a more strategic role in the world than North Korea. North Korea represent 1 madman. 1 mad, rogue nation which is about less than 1% of the world population. Iranian represent Islam, which represent 23% of world population, you rather **** off 1 nation, or **** off 1 set of people across different nation??

In another word, 26 millions people against you is much, much less of a threat than potentially 23% of the world population against you.

 

[gambit]

Well, maybe because Israel isn't threatening to destroy Iran with its nukes. And maybe because Iran is about twenty times the size of Israel.

I never understood why Mahmoud cared about the Palestinians in the first place, they're Sunni Arabs and the Iranians are largely Shi'a Persians. Many young Iranians regard Arabs as subhuman. Shouldn't the Iranians be cheering Israel on instead of protesting on Palestine's behalf, since the Palestinians are just Arabs? Middle Eastern politics...they're even worse than Asian ones.

Between Iran and Israel? It is more about religion than about geopolitics. My opinion is that it is %99.999 religion. The Palestinians issue is just a convenient proxy/shell.

 

[Genesis]

I hope you are joking when you say Iranian have a "Eastern" mindset.

Iranian have nothing like Eastern mindset. They have their own. In fact, at one point, Iranian is the jewel of Middle East and their thinking actually preceded both Modern Eastern and Western mindset. And from what I know of, Iranian are very proud of that facts.

On topic

It have to be because Iranian hold a more strategic role in the world than North Korea. North Korea represent 1 madman. 1 mad, rogue nation which is about less than 1% of the world population. Iranian represent Islam, which represent 23% of world population, you rather **** off 1 nation, or **** off 1 set of people across different nation??

In another word, 26 millions people against you is much, much less of a threat than potentially 23% of the world population against you.

So Iran is located in the middle of nowhere and not the middle east right? If they are located in the East and as you say they were the Persians, so any mindset they have would be eastern or am I mistaken.

Iran doesn't represent all muslims saying that is like saying the Pope represent all christians. Ask the guy in Russia if he agrees.

If we go by population than why did Germany do so much damage in the world wars or Japan? It wasn't a huge nation, and by your logic, harmless.

 

[jhungary]

So Iran is located in the middle of nowhere and not the middle east right? If they are located in the East and as you say they were the Persians, so any mindset they have would be eastern or am I mistaken.

Iran doesn't represent all muslims saying that is like saying the Pope represent all christians. Ask the guy in Russia if he agrees.

If we go by population than why did Germany do so much damage in the world wars or Japan? It wasn't a huge nation, and by your logic, harmless.

Get your fact right.......

1.) Middle East does not mean they are Eastern. If being in Middle East automatically qualified for "Eastern Thinking" then why the heck CD said Israel have a "western" thinking, Israel TOO IS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

Getting the word East Does not automatically mean you have a Eastern Thinking. It is stupid to assume that.

2.) You do not know anything about Persian Culture and Islam, suggest you read up about them first before commenting.

Iran is a Moslem country, their thinking is tradition Moslem way, go to Xinjiang, ask the people there how they think, then you should come back to me on the topic of Muslim.

3.) Pope of course does not represent Christianity, Pope is Catholic. Christianity does not only have Catholic. They also have protestant, Eastern Orthodox and 11 smaller different group that devote to different Christianity belief (Such as Methodist, Jesus Christ of the latter Saint (Mormon), Jehovah's Witnesses ), with Pope only represent Catholic, it hardly represent Christianity at all.

Saying Pope represent all Christianity mean he represent Mormon?? Absurd

4.) You do not know nor studied Qu'ran before, so I will spare you how Iran represent Islam and how Islamic brotherhood work.

5.) Germany is the most populated of the 3 axis member, also Nazi Germany have the most Troop.

At the greatest point:

Germany have 20 millions Wehrmacht
Imperial Japanese Army have less than 10 millions
Republic of Italy Army only total a modest 450,000

Tell me, which one is the strongest??

I am not talking about damage, I am talking about threat. IN your example, you would use more precaution about a 20 millions army or you would have see an army of 450,000 a bigger threat.

Being a threat and how much damage they can do is two different subject. Allied in WW2 also think Germany is more of a threat of the 3 too. I did not say anything about how much Germany damage can be done. You said it not mine

learn some more about religion before commenting on other post. This is very simple

 

[ARSENAL6]

A Tyt analysis isn't accurate really.

The DPRK isn't a real threat to the US ,but to the South. The South Koreans now are shaking in their boots ,demanding the Government to consider developing nuclear weapons to deter the DPRK. The North won't dare to attack the US. The rhetoric used by the DPRK regime is a pure exaggeration. Evidently, the DPRK doesn't want to drag itself in a direct confrontation with the US. Their ultimate objective is to unite the Korean Peninsula once more ,which is farfetched from reality."

YOu totally missed the point Even thought N.korea had made statement its is the America that keeps pumpimg up those proganda .

 

[Hack-Hook]

Between Iran and Israel? It is more about religion than about geopolitics. My opinion is that it is %99.999 religion. The Palestinians issue is just a convenient proxy/shell.

no , Iran - Israel problem is 100% geopolitics and there never ever was a religion aspect in it

 

[gambit]

no , Iran - Israel problem is 100% geopolitics and there never ever was a religion aspect in it

Give me a break...

Geographically, Iran and Israel have nothing in common, meaning they do not share borders. So neither country can affect each other. But trans-national issues are usually created by motivations that are morally based. For example, trade is a morality and the US and Canada routinely have trade complications. We resolves those in agreed upon methods. So can Iran and Israel have a purely commercial relationship? Absolutely.

So what is the moral foundation that compelled Iran to commit warfare against Israel? Fishing rights?