Why do Pakistanis love Kashmir?

[SQ8]

What kind of cliched nonsense is that ? You cannot discount one from the other because 'the Homeland' is not just a piece of land but 'the People who inhabit that Land' !

Why cant I discount it? By what definition does a Homeland become more than piece of land?
The Israelis settled in a place they called a homeland but as such they just longed for that land rather than the people who lived there. Or are you suggesting that the Israelis had love for the Palestinians when they came to the land?

Koshur speaker valley guys anyway don't want anything to do with Pakis, all the monies and growth is here

They dont want anything to do with India either, they are being much more clever about it and are now looking to USE India to get their final means.

 

[metronome]

They dont want anything to do with India either, they are being much more clever about it and are now looking to USE India to get their final means.

either way, but they've rejected ****/Chini rule... Pak will be badly humiliated if ever a plebiscite were to take place.

 

[Armstrong]

Why cant I discount it? By what definition does a Homeland become more than piece of land?
The Israelis settled in a place they called a homeland but as such they just longed for that land rather than the people who lived there. Or are you suggesting that the Israelis had love for the Palestinians when they came to the land?

How does that analogy hold true for us ? We did not come from a thousand miles away from the brink of extinction with a bible in one hand and the rifle in the other screaming that 'this' was 'Our Land' because our progenitors inhabited this land a few thousand years ago.

We are a part of this Land and have been for thousands of years; how can the 'land' and 'us' be anything but 'one' ?

At any rate the Israelis dislodging Palestinians from Palestine is not the same as Israelis dislodging other Israelis from the land and excluding the Jews from the Jewish Homeland - Something that didn't happen because for them the Jews and the Jewish Homeland are the same...!

 

[SQ8]

either way, but they've rejected ****/Chini rule... Pak will be badly humiliated if ever a plebiscite were to take place.

Possibly, and next time avoid ****/Chini if you want to avoid being the target of angst.

How does that analogy hold true for us ? We did not come from a thousand miles away from the brink of extinction with a bible in one hand and the rifle in the other screaming that 'this' was 'Our Land' because our progenitors inhabited this land a few thousand years ago.

We are a part of this Land and have been for thousands of years; how can the 'land' and 'us' be anything but 'one' ?

At any rate the Israelis dislodging Palestinians from Palestine is not the same as Israelis dislodging other Israelis from the land and excluding the Jews from the Jewish Homeland - Something that didn't happen because for them the Jews and the Jewish Homeland are the same...!

The Jewish people contend that their ancestors were part of the land for thousands of years too, why is their thousands of years any less important than this claim?
If the Land and "US" were one, it would not be in such bad shape. The fact remains that neither the land and us, or "US" are one and were never going to be. Pakistan is a great piece of land, worthy of staying in.. if not for the people that inhabit it today.

 

[waz]

Cultural hypothesis.REJECTED: Even inhabitants of Pakistani-administered Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) do not speak the same language as Kashmiris. The former are generally Potoharis – they are linguistically, culturally and ethnically closer to [Northern] Punjabis. On top of this, ethnic Kashmiris had nothing to do with the Pakistan Movement.

Plenty of people speak Kashur in AJK, where the hell did she pull this out of? Has she ever visited? The tounge is part of the Dardic family, whose languages are spoken mostly in the Northern Areas of Pakistan, you know the ones right next to AJK.
Yes large groups of people in AJK are similar to our Potwari cousins, but many aren't and are quite distinct e.g. Sudhans.
Ethnic Kashmiris had nothing to do with Kashmir, says our Cambridge student..... Dear God, someone show her this picture.

 

[Parmanu]

I have this feeling that they became more adamant on kashmir after what we did to them in 1971 , that gave the armed forces the license to hit india either by hook or crook .

People do not get it.

Everything after 1971 has been an act to get even. By pakistanis using Indian tactics which was used in 1971.

They want to teach us a lesson for 1971 but end up learning it themselves, and even more butthurt in the process.

It's an endless cycle of Burnol not soothing he burn.

Neither can they swallow it. Especially in PDF.

 

[Armstrong]

The Jewish people content that their ancestors were part of the land for thousands of years too, why is their thousands of years any less important than this claim?

Expediency; because if we take that line of argument to its logical conclusion the ownership of most of North and South America and even Australia ought to be reverted to the Natives with all those of European stock being asked to pack up their bags and leave for the shores of their forefathers. But we don't do that; because we recognize the impracticality of it all.

If the Land and "US" were one, it would not be in such bad shape. The fact remains that neither the land and us, or "US" are one and were never going to be. Pakistan is a great piece of land, worthy of staying in.. if not for the people that inhabit it today.

For quite the same reason most other developing countries are or were in an equally bad shape - Governance !

One does need to conduct an anthropological deconstruction of any country to figure out why its failing on most social and economic indicators. Even the present fanaticism is a failure of Governance because if you bring about an anthropological reconstruction of a society for the worse to serve strategic and political objectives you can hardly cry foul if the experiment doesn't work out and blows back in your face.

We are guilty of all the things that fall under the singular category of 'Bad Governance' !

 

[dexter]

Threads like these makes me feel is this a Pakistan "Defence" forum???

 

[Kabira]

They are practically Pakistanis, i don't mind status quo at all. India waste $40 billion out of $300b budget on IoK alone. Plus the land is not stratgecally important for us as Indians make it out. While Pakistani Kashmir will be lot more important for bharat.

I don't mind status quo as long article 370 is intact. Also ISI need to take care any pro India kashmiri if there is any in IoK which i doubt. Because i am yet to see any Kashmiri muslim infavor of removing article 370. Otherwise ISI need to do the job for our Kashmiri bros own good otherwise future generations will not forgive us.

 

[ares]

They are practically Pakistanis, i don't mind status quo at all. India waste $40 billion out of $300b budget on IoK alone. Plus the land is not stratgecally important for us as Indians make it out. While Pakistani Kashmir will be lot more important for bharat.

I don't mind status quo as long article 370 is intact. Also ISI need to take care any pro India kashmiri if there is any in IoK which i doubt. Because i am yet to see any Kashmiri muslim infavor of removing article 370. Otherwise ISI need to do the job for our Kashmiri bros own good otherwise future generations will not forgive us.

Well then we are in perfect agreement, we will keep spending money in Kashmir development,while Kashmir remains with us indefinitely.

After all every inch of one's motherland is priceless.

And it is not like, spending money Kashmir, is hampering our progress, we already are a ten times bigger economy than Pakistan(were just 6 times larger, 15 years ago), and this difference is only going to become larger.

With in few decades, we will become second largest economy of the world...this is peanuts for us.

 

[Whirling_dervesh]

Universally recognised as a disputed territory

 

[Peshwa]

Universally recognised as a disputed territory

With a stand to solve the dispute bilaterally....
So the universe can recognize it, as they should, just cant meddle in a solution

 

[indo]

The only logical solution of Kashmir dispute is to declare LOC as international border.
Then after few years of trust building, opening up the borders for Kashmiris on both sides with due diligence of course.

 

[Kabira]

Well then we are in perfect agreement, we will keep spending money in Kashmir development,while Kashmir remains with us indefinitely.

After all every inch of one's motherland is priceless.

And it is not like, spending money Kashmir, is hampering our progress, we already are a ten times bigger economy than Pakistan(were just 6 times larger, 15 years ago), and this difference is only going to become larger.

With in few decades, we will become second largest economy of the world...this is peanuts for us.

Yes true, as long as IoK remain Kashmiri muslim majority and relatively developed then we will not mind. Its up to Indians to decide if its worth it to spend 15% of budget on 1% of population. Especially on people who hate you and want nothing to do with you and neither will allow any permanent settlement of Indians on their land.

And you guys are barely 7 times bigger then us in gdp, same as population so don't shoor up.

The only logical solution of Kashmir dispute is to declare LOC as international border.
Then after few years of trust building, opening up the borders for Kashmiris on both sides with due diligence of course.

Loc is not logical solution, we are happy with status quo.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You get out of your nd see what rest of world think of you terrorist.

You think you can buy a computer and you become web terrorist. Only looking at hate I have in my eyes for your extremist kind will eleminate you and your next generation. I make sure your kind don't grow. I am a pesticide for you pest.
And you know bitch I am not even your indian. I just love and support the people who exterminate you terrorist basstards.

Your kind have ruined Pakistan .

Pest,bitch,bastard? Really ? I'm not your indian ? No you are jut a bitch .. Now Fuk off spit cunt...Go insult your daddy who bought you to this world...

Dude, Talk about selective dementia.
Kirpans worked in '71. They will again, when needed.
As for the atrocities, I'm not saying if that happened or not. But what i am saying is atrocities happen in every society. Be it homogeneous or Heterogeneous. Pakistan was made on Islamic views, So why do Shia and Sunni blow each other up on regular basis in Pakistan? America was established after native's genocide, So was Australia. Every society has problems.

Atrocities happened everywhere. But the difference is that they are all history in every civilized society, whereas in Pakistan they still happen like a daily soap. Why such violence in Pakistan if it was perfect? Why do Ahmedi's get killed on daily basis? Why does a couple get burned alive by a crowd while crowd cheers. Why?

You see, you are trying to get me angry and make a rift based upon a history which happened 3 decades ago. We have moved on, We always do. Everybody does, Except Pakistani. That is why you got separated because East Pakistani got angry and we were able to make the rift between your people. So you divided. Now you are using same trick on me? Do not teach Papa how to F***.


I'd say again, Do remember the guy who was poster boy of your countries division. You are debating to a guy just like him.

So don't teach your father (me) to fu.k.. And put a lid on it .. 84 isn't that far.