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Kashmir 101: Decoding Kashmir's conflict
http://www.csmonitor.com/

For six decades, a piece of land about the size of Britain between Pakistan and Indiahas been the source of major tension and fighting between the two. But recently, the nature of the lengthy conflict has changed. In India-controlled Kashmir, young people inspired by protests across the Middle East have intensified their push for independence – and they want the world to take note.

Here is a quick primer about the conflict.

By Ben Arnoldy, Staff writer APRIL 14, 2011
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia...hmir-s-conflict/What-s-new-with-this-conflict
1. Why is Kashmir a disputed territory?
When the British withdrew from the Indian subcontinent in 1947, a negotiated settlement partitioned the land between the newly independent states of India and Pakistan. Autonomous states such asKashmir were given the choice of where to go.

The ruler of Kashmir was Hindu, while the majority of his subjects were Muslim. The partition deal had given other Muslim-majority states to Pakistan, a nation created to allay Muslim fears of becoming a minority in a Hindu-led nation.

But the prince chose India, enlisting the country's help in repelling fighters from Pakistani territory. A United Nations-brokered cease-fire called for the withdrawal of Pakistani forces and the holding of a popular vote to decide the region's fate. But Pakistan did not remove its forces and India never held the vote.

Periodic wars between India and Pakistan over Kashmir have left the territory split between the two (as well as China), with a de facto border known as the "Line of Control."

In the 1990s, religious militants from Pakistan joined indigenous fighters to battle Indian forces. India then used that to define the conflict as terrorism against its people, taking the international spotlight off the Kashmir issue of independence.
And the religious battle is continued.
 
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2. What's new with this conflict?
Kashmiris over the past decade have turned away from armed struggle. They've also adjusted their goal of joining Pakistan in favor of a mostly nonviolent, secular struggle for independence, led by young people.
3. What do Kashmiris want now?
Most Kashmiris say they want freedom from India. Polling since 1995 has found at least two-thirds of those living in the Kashmir valley want independence. Some older Kashmiris still talk of joining Pakistan, but two-thirds of Kashmiris under age 30 mostly want independence.

These children of the 1990s conflict witnessed the bloodshed of street fighting and are disenchanted with armed resistance. Their desire for independence has intensified under the ongoing Indian military occupation and police state.
4. What is India's military presence?
India keeps hundreds of thousands of military, paramilitary, and police forces in the state of Jammu and Kashmir. Some estimates suggest India has at least a 50 to 1,000 force-to-population ratio. To put that in perspective: US counterinsurgency doctrine calls for a 25 to 1,000 force ratio, something the United States has never achieved in Afghanistan.

India says the forces are necessary to prevent a return to armed insurgency. Large numbers of soldiers are deployed along the border to stop incursions from Pakistan.

But residents are still living under a police state. Barbed-wire enclosed barracks sit in downtowns, heritage sites, and rural areas alike. Internet use is monitored, phones are tapped, and text messaging is banned. Public gatherings are forcibly dispersed. Even foreign journalists interviewing residents on the streets of Sopore prompted an armored vehicle to slow down and inspect the scene.

Residents can be locked up for two years without trial under special policing laws denounced by Amnesty International. More than 5,000 youths have been rounded up by police this past winter alone. Allegations of torture are pervasive.
5. What role does religion play?
Young stone-throwers – the ones who pelted Indian troops last summerafter they fired on crowds – insist the dispute is nationalist, not religious.

"This is not a religious fight. It is a fight for land," says a 20-year-old businessman. "Though the majority are Muslims, it doesn't mean we want an Islamic state," says a 29-year-old computer professional. The state should be governed by democracy, with sharia law a personal matter, says a 31-year-old businessman.

Traditionally, Kashmiris have practiced Sufi Islam and lived alongside a sizable Hindu population. During the 1990s, most of the Hindus fled theKashmir Valley after attacks from militants. Kashmiri Muslims often lament the exodus, claiming it was not their doing, while the Hindu exiles insist they were the victims of intolerant, militant Islam.

The two main separatist leaders mix religion and politics. Syed Ali Shah Geelani has been a member of Jamaat-e Islami, a Pakistan-based religious party that calls for sharia. He wants Kashmir to be part of an Islamic state, one where there would be no discrimination based on religion and girls would be educated, separately.

The other leader, Umar Farooq, holds the religious title of Mirwaiz, or spiritual leader of Kashmir's Muslims. He preaches separatism after Friday prayers from his seat in Kashmir's most important mosque. However, Farooq has been making his case to Indians and the wider world with the language of secular democracy.
6. What are the possible resolutions?
Most experts see independence as unlikely anytime soon.

India fears giving up Kashmir could inspire separatist movements in other regions and embolden Pakistan to see Islamic terrorism as effective. Both India and Pakistan fear loss of water rights. Also working against the separatists are their wide territorial claims. "Kashmir" includes not just the Muslim-dominated valley for the separatists, but the Hindu-majority region of Jammu, the Buddhist region of Ladakh, and the northern territories of Pakistan that do not identify with Kashmir.

India and Pakistan have come close to a plan that would grant autonomy to parts of Kashmir on both sides of the Line of Control. The two countries resumed talks in late March. Some separatists are prepared to enter into an autonomy deal as long as it does not close off future negotiations for independence.

Many Indian officials still hope that with a combination of better policing and economic development Kashmiris would give up their struggle.
 
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I.Muslim majority region -- they love Muslim Majority regions.
2.Most of their Water source goes through it
3.Strategically important region--- Boarders with Tibet ( administered by China) --- we all know their love for China.
4.Public perception created by which they believe Pakistan is incomplete without Kash--mir .
5.Finally because of @Armstrong

that seems to be some what meaningful hypotheses
what i mean to say is that it's better than the 1st grade poem mentioned in the OP's article.
 
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Truth is always bitter .. Guess kirpans couldn't outnumber indian troops n iDisk civilians when all that was happening ?



Watching animal **** I think is still etter than actually marrying dogs and sharing your wife with your brothers ? Incest? Funny insult... I guess reality hit you real hard.. Unless your sikh brethren are lying about all those attrocities ? Jaa yaar 84 walay ganay sun .. N fantasise about circumcised penises.. While holding an indian frnd.
Dude, Talk about selective dementia. :enjoy:
Kirpans worked in '71. They will again, when needed.
As for the atrocities, I'm not saying if that happened or not. But what i am saying is atrocities happen in every society. Be it homogeneous or Heterogeneous. Pakistan was made on Islamic views, So why do Shia and Sunni blow each other up on regular basis in Pakistan? America was established after native's genocide, So was Australia. Every society has problems.

Atrocities happened everywhere. But the difference is that they are all history in every civilized society, whereas in Pakistan they still happen like a daily soap. Why such violence in Pakistan if it was perfect? Why do Ahmedi's get killed on daily basis? Why does a couple get burned alive by a crowd while crowd cheers. Why?

You see, you are trying to get me angry and make a rift based upon a history which happened 3 decades ago. We have moved on, We always do. Everybody does, Except Pakistani. That is why you got separated because East Pakistani got angry and we were able to make the rift between your people. So you divided. Now you are using same trick on me? Do not teach Papa how to F***. :cheers:


I'd say again, Do remember the guy who was poster boy of your countries division. You are debating to a guy just like him.
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All this bs coming from a bhuka nanga marwa howa bharati is really funny.

But it that gives you wet dreams good for you ... Now take a bath.. your stinch is too strong even for the Internet.
You get out of your nd see what rest of world think of you terrorist.

You think you can buy a computer and you become web terrorist. Only looking at hate I have in my eyes for your extremist kind will eleminate you and your next generation. I make sure your kind don't grow. I am a pesticide for you pest.
And you know bitch I am not even your indian. I just love and support the people who exterminate you terrorist basstards.

Your kind have ruined Pakistan .
 
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All this bs coming from a bhuka nanga marwa howa bharati is really funny.

But it that gives you wet dreams good for you ... Now take a bath.. your stinch is too strong even for the Internet.
Reprted him, and reported you as well.
 
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some people are really acting like 5th graders here.
common play nice kids.
regardless of the sides .

take a moment to think about which war are we fighting for and for whom and what do either sides plan to achieve by taking part in the grand arms race of the world.
points to ponder.. this just hit my thoughts...
 
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We will kill those terrorist !
Let those pigs and their kind squeal while dying .
They deserve to die we seen and. Faced enough we are giving you your own madicine!

Just see how much mess we created in your home.

These Kashmiri will die who are blinded and hired by your forces. We will kill their soul and eat their bodies . You can't do shiit about it

We got frogging bjp in Kashmir bi@tch!
Tables have not turned we will make Kashmir so unjihadi that your next 100 gen can't do a shiit.
You are killing them long ago but achieved nothing. Just loose your highly decorated officers.
 
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