Why do Indians dislike Pakistani attachment to Muhammad Bin Qasim?

[Tiger7]

I meant by Muslims; still 30 years and 200 years is a huge difference. Muslims ruled Delhi for over 600 years.

This does not matter as Delhi does not even comprise 2% of India`s land mass. On the other hand whole Pakistan was indeed ruled for 1000 years by Arabs, Turks and Mongols.

 

[Tergon18]

It was a political conflict and should be viewed with proper context with regards to it's time and era. Things aren't as black and white or good vs evil as people make them out to be.

Raja Dahir was a Brahmanic 'Hindu' King who was ruling a population mostly comprised of Jatts and Meds who were Buddhists, on whom it is said that he put several restrictions on and oppressed. The original motivation or cause of the invasion seems to be the raid of several Arab ships by Dahir's forces. During the invasion the local Jatts, Meds and Buddhist rulers of Nerun, Sewastan (Sehwan), Kaka Kolak etc. are said to have allied with the Arab forces against Dahir as noted in the Chachnama.

I agree with Kaptaan, both played an important part in the history of the region and should be left as thus. Modern day cultural, sociological or political dynamics should not be projected on to them. So my answer is neither.

 

[SQ8]

Let me save all this BS for Pakistanis..

Indians dislike Pakistanis period. We could lick their bums like a certain ex-area of Pakistan does and they still wont like us; that is the level of regressive hate that they now hold for Pakistan.

 

[my2cents]

Let me save all this BS for Pakistanis..

Indians dislike Pakistanis period. We could lick their bums like a certain ex-area of Pakistan does and they still wont like us; that is the level of regressive hate that they now hold for Pakistan.

Remember the statement by your general Zia that they would bleed India with thousand cuts. Don't play holy and mighty on us.

 

[SQ8]

Remember the statement by your general Zia that they would bleed India with thousand cuts. Don't play holy and mighty on us.

My general Zia?
The man came as a dictator on a nation that had little knowledge; it is when supposed literates like you spew venom at times that would make the most hateful of ISIS supporters look benign.

 

[my2cents]

My general Zia?
The man came as a dictator on a nation that had little knowledge; it is when supposed literates like you spew venom at times that would make the most hateful of ISIS supporters look benign.

It the generals in your country who hold the strings and whatever we spew on this forum will not change that. That is the frustration from our side.

 

[Indika]

Let me save all this BS for Pakistanis..

Indians dislike Pakistanis period. We could lick their bums like a certain ex-area of Pakistan does and they still wont like us; that is the level of regressive hate that they now hold for Pakistan.

No my dear its your meaningless in born hate which leads to think like that.

Musharraf was applauded when it was revealed he spent time on indian side of border. After kargil war Indians recommended bravery of pakistani soldiers inspite of pakistan abandoning them. Sports players applaud each other. So your reasoning falls flat.

Now culture , tradition , strength,victory , history ...etc all these things lead to creation of emotional character. Pakistan has none of it for major part of history. culture is to hate,tradition is to keep fighting, strength is terrorism,victory? stale mate is an achievement, history trying to claim India's.

Inferiority complex has lead to pakistan claiming bin qasim, ghaznavi...etc as heroes bcos all their ventures ended in disaster. This is akin to common ppl applauding heroes fighting in films bcos they are too cowards to fight in real life.

As far as your licking comments are concerned , Why do you want to stoop so low? its highly distasteful even for a comparison. India does not like bum or boot (military?) lickers whether it is US or china or SA.

I suggest pakistan to grow up, dont allow sheiks to hunt ,not to give up own land to china and finally abandoning ones own soldiers on the field deserves no respect. Indian PM walked across to the border to talk peace while your chief was busy capturing abandoned posts.

By the way porus lost the war we are still proud of that. We did not worship alexander. marathas , tipu lost to british we did not worship british either. Surrendering or losing is no humiliation but claiming some phorenwala who massacred locals as hero is emptiness with no known bounds.

Its not as if pakistan is bad in every thing, there are ppl whose achievements are worth to be proud of. But it seems their hate like yours has got better of it and makes them so blind that they cannot see who the true heroes are.

India has regressive hate? does pakistan has a mirror? hate for india has lead to its current state.

India and pakistan have serious differences but dont let that leave a bad legacy for your future generations.

 

[SQ8]

It the generals in your country who hold the strings and whatever we spew on this forum will not change that. That is the frustration from our side.

Your frustration towards them is irrelevant, your frustration only strengthens that hate.. perhaps we should all prepare for nuclear war then as we are all frustrated.

No my dear its your meaningless in born hate which leads to think like that.

Musharraf was applauded when it was revealed he spent time on indian side of border. After kargil war Indians recommended bravery of pakistani soldiers inspite of pakistan abandoning them. Sports players applaud each other. So your reasoning falls flat.

Now culture , tradition , strength,victory , history ...etc all these things lead to creation of emotional character. Pakistan has none of it for major part of history. culture is to hate,tradition is to keep fighting, strength is terrorism,victory? stale mate is an achievement, history trying to claim India's.

Inferiority complex has lead to pakistan claiming bin qasim, ghaznavi...etc as heroes bcos all their ventures ended in disaster. This is akin to common ppl applauding heroes fighting in films bcos they are too cowards to fight in real life.

As far as your licking comments are concerned , Why do you want to stoop so low? its highly distasteful even for a comparison. India does not like bum or boot (military?) lickers whether it is US or china or SA.

I suggest pakistan to grow up, dont allow sheiks to hunt ,not to donate land to china and finally abandoning ones own soldiers on the field deserves no respect. Indian PM walked across to the border to talk peace while your chief was busy capturing abandoned posts.

By the way porus lost the war we are still proud of that. We did not worship alexander. marathas , tipu lost to british we did not worship british either. Surrendering or losing is no humiliation but claiming some phorenwala who massacred locals as hero is emptiness with no known bounds.

Its not as if pakistan is bad in every thing, there are ppl whose achievements are worth to be proud of. But it seems their hate like yours has got better of it and makes them so blind that they cannot see who the true heroes are.

India and pakistan have serious differences but dont let that leave a bad legacy for your future generations.

The red is just your self righteous pompousness that is boring me, please take that to someone who has time for it.

The fact that you had to wait till the end to put that little condescending bit in green only solidifies my statement and affirms that the entire post is based on hypocrisy.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Your frustration towards them is irrelevant, your frustration only strengthens that hate.. perhaps we should all prepare for nuclear war then as we are all frustrated.

But dont you agree that The Policy of death by a thousand cuts
was supported by all Pakistanis as a tool to get Kashmir

 

[SQ8]

But dont you agree that The Policy of death by a thousand cuts
was supported by all Pakistanis as a tool to get Kashmir

No. How do you know its all Pakistanis. I take over your house, tell you that I am better than you and then marry your daughter off to an old man saying its what religion says.. and you comply because you are illiterate, uneducated or are afraid.. did you want your daughter married off?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

No. How do you know its all Pakistanis. I take over your house, tell you that I am better than you and then marry your daughter off to an old man saying its what religion says.. and you comply because you are illiterate, uneducated or are afraid.. did you want your daughter married off?

I didnt get your point ; do you mean to say that Pakistani citizens actually
opposed the Jihad against India

 

[SQ8]

I didnt get your point ; do you mean to say that Pakistani citizens actually
opposed the Jihad against India

What Jihad? do you even read anything besides Indian news?
You dont!

That usage of Jihad only affirms that all that there is , is blind hate; Pakistanis by contrast know MUCH MUCH more about the world and opposing culture than the average Indian. The Kashmir conflict has RARELY been sold as Jihad within official circles. Our urban population knows the Kashmir conflict as a situation of people oppressed and want the UN to understand and work it out. There is MUCH MUCH more want of peace here than there will ever be in India, I am glad to be born in a society that forced us to learn about the world from every perspective. Our initial news came not from some propaganda national channel but well written news or magazines.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

What Jihad? do you even read anything besides Indian news?
You dont!

That usage of Jihad only affirms that all that there is , is blind hate; Pakistanis by contrast know MUCH MUCH more about the world and opposing culture than the average Indian. The Kashmir conflict has RARELY been sold as Jihad within official circles. Our urban population knows the Kashmir conflict as a situation of people oppressed and want the UN to understand and work it out. There is MUCH MUCH more want of peace here than there will ever be in India, I am glad to be born in a society that forced us to learn about the world from every perspective. Our initial news came not from some propaganda national channel but well written news or magazines.

We in India Believe that Pakistani citizens were fully supportive of the Post 1989
violence in Kashmir

The people who crossed over into India were Pakistanis ; Afghans and only a few Kashmiris

Secondly there was financial support as well ; it goes on to this day

The LET and JEM get money from the people

Basically it is like this -- Though harsh but true

That Is IF Pakistan Army's Plan had succeeded-- that is
If things had gone according to plan it is India that should have been hurting now, not Pakistan.

The Pakistan army’s 28 years-old low-cost, high-impact strategy of covert warfare would have liberated Kashmir and secured Afghanistan from Indian influence.

Instead, there has been a fierce blowback -- Bad luck or Murphy's Law

 

[halupridol]

Let me save all this BS for Pakistanis..

Indians dislike Pakistanis,, period. We could lick their bums like a certain ex-area of Pakistan does and they still wont like us; that is the level of regressive hate that they now hold for Pakistan.

Indians

north Indians
the current India-Pakistan relations(or the lack of it) is the culmination of centuries of infighting,fear n mistrust within bhaiyyas(yes thr r othrs too,,but bhaiyya is the flag bearer)
n i agree this innate hate wont just go away,,,not by li(king bums nor by solving kashmir.
so,,probably bhaiyyas dislike bhaiyyas

 

[Kabira]

By the way porus lost the war we are still proud of that.

Marathu bhai why are you proud of the fact ancient Pakistani lost the battle?