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Why did Egypt betrayed Saudi Arabia and allied themselves with Iran, Russia and Syria?

You are an even bigger imbecile than I thought was possible.:lol:

There is nothing called Shia or Sunni "oil". The oil belongs to the land and people. Moreover Shias are not even the majority in the Eastern Province. And unlike the wealth of your country, successive kings of KSA have actually used the wealth of the country to built world class infrastructure, services etc. Unlike numerous other oil rich countries. The most recent example is Venezuela. There are many others in the Muslim and Arab world outside of the GCC too.

Anyway you are Pakistani of whatever ethnicity and you have no clue what the hell you are blabbering about and you are obviously lying too.

King Faisal remains arguably the most respected leader in KSA in the past 50 years. He remains respected by every group in KSA in all provinces. So your example is obviously only an example that you invented in your own little and most likely ugly head as well.

Wilayat al-Faqih imbecile.:lol:

Absurd and Bizarre. :astagh:

defending Monarchy in a poverty stricken KSA.

rest gcc is better than ksa.
 
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Absurd and Bizarre. :astagh:

defending Monarchy in a poverty stricken KSA.

rest gcc is better than ksa.

The reality hurts if you are a Wilayat al-Faqih drone. I know.

Yes, KSA is so poverty-stricken that KSA is the 19th largest economy in the world and its citizens are some of the most wealthy in the world based on GDP per capita. Moreover KSA is one of the largest surplus nations along with Japan, Germany, China and a few others.

Let us not even talk about the GCC which combined has an bigger economy than 150 million big Russia that is equally as resource-rich if not more. Almost a 2 TRILLION US dollar GDP which will only rise and increase if you look at all future prognosis. KSA is expected to become the 18th biggest economy by 2050.

LOL, no GCC country likes the Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's. They are solely doing business (Qatar, UAE and Oman) that is mostly one-sided and in their favor. I would do the same even with my biggest enemy. It is called business. Something Arabs have always done well if you know your history.

Anyway as I have said repeatedly I do not care what the hell Iranians are doing in their own country but we don't want their Wilayat al-Faqih cancer anywhere near us and it is combated wherever it shows its ugly face.

If you love that system so much you should have been in Iran by now but judging by how they treat the regular Afghan in Iran (their supposed blood brothers to make it even funnier) I cannot think how they would treat the average Pakistani such as you that obviously has no higher education of any short.
 
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I believe that you are under the influence of Farsi opium or something worse.

There has been no "milking" as we are talking about loans that Egypt eventually will have to pay back. Nothing else.

Iran is the most hated Muslim nation arguably. Only Pakistanis have a majority positive view of your country based on all available statistics. They often mention this on PDF.

Egypt does not even have any diplomatic relationship with Iran and has never had it under the Mullah's.

Another thing no Arab country likes Iran (rather the opposite) expect a few loyal terrorist groups in 2 Arab countries, namely small Lebanon and Iraq. Hezbollah and a few Iraqi Shia militias.

Let alone Sunni Muslims who form 90% of all the 1.6 billion big Muslim population. They by large dislike you too especially the cancerous 37 year old Wilayat al-Faqih system.

As for ruling you are not going to rule anything other than your small country which is 2 times smaller than Arabia let alone the Arab world.

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This Saudi , probably a prince , says that there is no something like milking. Who believes in his words?
Actually USA has bankrupted and milked you retardos for decades.
American bankrupters are not paying the dollar of your shipped oil to US. You receive only some worthless savings bonds which helps you to buy Coca cola, out dated F-15s, the worst versions of M1A1Abrams MBT and other rubbish military stuff. You are bankrupted by Americans and honestly i'm bothered for Arabian people. They cannot decide for their country's future until Saudi dictators are ruling the country.
Don't never say no Arab country likes democratic Iran! Say no Arab dictator regime likes Iran. Yeah that's right. The paunchy dictators in Arabic countries hate us. It makes me feel proud.

And only Iran is completely supporting free Sunni Palestine and Sunni population of Syria and Iraq against Al-Saud made ISIS. Future will tell us many things.
 
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Where do people see any betrayal? Egypt voted for the French as well as the Russian solutions in the UN..Egypt has stated hat it is for any good solution to end the war in Syria..
The Saudis wanted Egypt to stand with them..and it is not well understood on what.. the end results are the same..both resolutions did not go through, so Egypt got the best of it..we should not forget that it has strategic ties to both France and Russia, at least on the military and scientific field.. Russia has committed a 25 billion loan to build Nuclear power plants in Egypt and is selling the latter its best weapons..Beyond all of this Egypt is a sovereign nation and even people of the same families do not always vote for he same party or candidates when politics are involved..
 
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This Saudi , probably a prince , says that there is no something like milking. Who believes in his words?
Actually USA has bankrupted and milked you retardos for decades.
American bankrupters are not paying the dollar of your shipped oil to US. You receive only some worthless savings bonds which helps you to buy Coca cola, out dated F-15s, the worst versions of M1A1Abrams MBT and other rubbish military stuff. You are bankrupted by Americans and honestly i'm bothered for Arabian people. They cannot decide for their country's future until Saudi dictators are ruling the country.
Don't never say no Arab country likes democratic Iran! Say no Arab dictator regime likes Iran. Yeah that's right. The paunchy dictators in Arabic countries hate us. It makes me feel proud.

And only Iran is completely supporting free Sunni Palestine and Sunni population of Syria and Iraq against Al-Saud made ISIS. Future will tell us many things.

I suggest that you take your medicine and educate yourself. You are obviously as intelligent as an ant.

As for your claim of a "democratic" Iran, that was really hilarious. Thank you for providing me with free comedy.

And I can once again assure you that 90% + of the 500 million Arabs have no love lost for your likes. Let alone Muslims. A visit to Mr. Google should be sufficient. You can start with using Arabic and English for your "study". Let us see how far you reach before you begin to cry.

I would suggest you to worry about your failing and poor country instead of blabbering about the GCC which is 4-5 times wealthier than you.

Better you should remove the corrupt Mullah's who have caused a monumental brain drainage in Iran and who have wasted billions upon billions of dollars on useless things. That is why large parts of Iran resemble your neighboring Afghanistan despite being a very resource rich country. You should not be content with this.

But I guess the few Shia Arab terrorist groups are happy with milking you as well as Al-Assad for hundreds if not a few thousands (by now) Iranian volunteers dying for Arabs in Syria.

You know, your Mullah's, many of which BTW claim Arab ancestry, have tried to "lead" Arab Shias for the past 37 years in a row (spent 100's of billions on this) yet all you have to show for is Hezbollah and a few Iraqi Shia militias whose loyalty will always be to their people first.

Good job indeed! I wish you similar success in the past and to rule the entire region as you dreamed about earlier! Good luck, you will need it!:lol:

Actually let me tell you this all your "grand plans" were completely ruined given your role in Syria.
 
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I would suggest you to worry about your failing and poor country instead of blabbering about the GCC which is 3 times wealthier than you.
Your dollars are in wall street not inside your country. Al-Saud family have made Arabic countries the mother land of extremist terrorists and slave of western industries. A revolution can make you dictators done.
Your hypocrisy is wonderful. Why don't you protect free Palestine?
Huh Wrong expectation. Corrupt dictators would never protect Palestine.

I suggest that you take your medicine and educate yourself. You are obviously as intelligent as an ant.

As for your claim of a "democratic" Iran, that was really hilarious. Thank you for providing me with free comedy.

And I can once again assure you that 90% + of the 500 million Arabs have no love lost for your likes. Let alone Muslims. A visit to Mr. Google should be sufficient. You can start with using Arabic and English for your "study". Let us see how far you reach before you begin to cry.

I would suggest you to worry about your failing and poor country instead of blabbering about the GCC which is 4-5 times wealthier than you.

Better you should remove the corrupt Mullah's who have caused a monumental brain drainage in Iran and who have wasted billions upon billions of dollars on useless things. That is why large parts of Iran resemble your neighboring Afghanistan despite being a very resource rich country. You should not be content with this.

But I guess the few Shia Arab terrorist groups are happy with milking you as well as Al-Assad for hundreds if not a few thousands (by now) Iranian volunteers dying for Arabs in Syria.

You know, your Mullah's, many of which BTW claim Arab ancestry, have tried to "lead" Arab Shias for the past 37 years in a row (spent 100's of billions on this) yet all you have to show for is Hezbollah and a few Iraqi Shia militias whose loyalty will always be to their people first.

Good job indeed! I wish you similar success in the past and to rule the entire region as you dreamed about earlier! Good luck, you will need it!:lol:

Actually let me tell you this all your "grand plans" were completely ruined given your role in Syria.
I think that we have to destroy Al-Saud house alongside Israel. How is that Saudi retardo?
 
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The reality hurts if you are a Wilayat al-Faqih drone. I know.

Yes, KSA is so poverty-stricken that KSA is the 19th largest economy in the world and its citizens are some of the most wealthy in the world based on GDP per capita. Moreover KSA is one of the largest surplus nations along with Japan, Germany, China and a few others.

Let us not even talk about the GCC which combined has an bigger economy than 150 million big Russia that is equally as resource-rich if not more. Almost a 2 TRILLION US dollar GDP which will only rise and increase if you look at all future prognosis. KSA is expected to become the 18th biggest economy by 2050.

LOL, no GCC country likes the Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's. They are solely doing business (Qatar, UAE and Oman) that is mostly one-sided and in their favor. I would do the same even with my biggest enemy. It is called business. Something Arabs have always done well if you know your history.

Anyway as I have said repeatedly I do not care what the hell Iranians are doing in their own country but we don't want their Wilayat al-Faqih cancer anywhere near us and it is combated wherever it shows its ugly face.

If you love that system so much you should have been in Iran by now but judging by how they treat the regular Afghan in Iran (their supposed blood brothers to make it even funnier) I cannot think how they would treat the average Pakistani such as you that obviously has no higher education of any short.

If that was so, why is ARAMCO which essentially is the Saudi State implementing cost reduction measures in panic mode?
Or the switch from Hijri to Gregorian?
Are you going to parrot out the usual single line you have been in the last post or actually come up with a good argument without posting pathetic terms that will lead to your ban from this thread?
and while the Iranians are pretty screwed under their Mullah system, they at least have democracy to an extent.

Also, lets keep the hypocrisy of talking about democracy in a Kingdom ruled by 100 people from a single family and where princes can get away with murder but the poor commoner cant hope for a single break; a fact that led to a token prosecution of a prince just to keep the population satisfied that some justice is done.

I would also suggest keeping your sectarian flamebaits out of ANY of your posts.
 
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Your dollars are in wall street not inside your country. Al-Saud family have made Arabic countries the mother land of extremist terrorists and slave of western industries. A revolution can make you dictators done.
Your hypocrisy is wonderful. Why don't you protect free Palestine?
Huh Wrong expectation. Corrupt dictators would never protect Palestine.

KSA has approximately 1 TRILLION US dollars in investments across the world. Some say even more than this.

KSA "only" owns 117 billion of the US debt.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...i-arabia-s-treasuries-holdings-for-first-time

Why do you pretend to care about Palestine? When has Iran ever fought Israel even once? Never. KSA on the other hand has been the biggest donor to Palestine since 1947 and we host 1 million Palestinians while you host the grand number of 0.

KSA has proposed the best peace plan so far called the Arab Peace Initiative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

Iran has proposed nothing but supported a few Palestine groups with rockets that will change nothing. Only means that more civilian Palestinians will die when Israel retaliates. Anyway I believe that a few private Saudi Arabians donors have donated more to the Palestinian cause (military aid) than the Iranian state throughout its entire history.

Not only that KSA stopped exporting oil to the world back in the 1960's and 1970's as a protest against Israel which paralyzed the Western and world economies. Iran would never do such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Oil_Embargo

Saudi Arabian soldiers took part in the first wars against Israel as far back as 1948. In fact there were Saudi Arabian volunteers (given the huge number of Palestinians with ancestral ties to KSA and vice versa) before the creation of Israel as a country! Iranians where nowhere to be seen and have still never shown up in this regard.

So you can go fool another fool here.

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Lastly you can google this photo and figure out who is on the photo, where and why.

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Here is an article for you:

http://www.dotmsr.com/details/صور-نادرة-للملك-سلمان-في-حرب-1956

So Farsi, I suggest that you keep out of Arab affairs that have nothing to do with you and where you are unwanted. At least your Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah lot. Of course not all Iranians.

So understand that I have no problem with Iranians regardless of their ethnicity (Arab, Baloch, Kurd, Turk, Farsi, Afro-Iranians) but I sure as hell have a problem with your Wilayat al-Faqih supporters and your regime which there are 100's of reasons to be as an Arab. Wherever those supporters are from.

Anyway I find your pathetic lies of pretending to care about Arabs really hilarious. We see how much your Mullah's care for Arabs in Syria and now Yemen. So frankly pfuuuck off. Tired of your likes nonsense. Thankfully 98% of all Arabs know your kind very well. So thank you for confirming it time and time again.
 
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KSA has approximately 1 TRILLION US dollars in investments across the world. Some say even more than this.

KSA "only" owns 117 billion of the US debt.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...i-arabia-s-treasuries-holdings-for-first-time

Why do you pretend to care about Palestine? When has Iran ever fought Israel even once? Never. KSA on the other hand has been the biggest donor to Palestine since 1947 and we host 1 million Palestinians while you host the grand number of 0.

KSA has proposed the best peace plan so far called the Arab Peace Initiative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

Iran has proposed nothing but supported a few Palestine groups with rockets that will change nothing. Only means that more civilian Palestinians will die when Israel retaliates. Anyway I believe that a few private Saudi Arabians donors have donated more to the Palestinian cause (military aid) than the Iranian state throughout its entire history.

Not only that KSA stopped exporting oil to the world back in the 1960's and 1970's as a protest against Israel which paralyzed the Western and world economies. Iran would never do such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Oil_Embargo

Saudi Arabian soldiers took part in the first wars against Israel as far back as 1948. In fact there were Saudi Arabian volunteers (given the huge number of Palestinians with ancestral ties to KSA and vice versa) before the creation of Israel as a country! Iranians where nowhere to be seen and have still never shown up in this regard.

So you can go fool another fool here.



Here is an article for you:

http://www.dotmsr.com/details/صور-نادرة-للملك-سلمان-في-حرب-1956

So Farsi, I suggest that you keep out of Arab affairs that have nothing to do with you and where you are unwanted. At least your Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah lot. Of course not all Iranians.

So understand that I have no problem with Iranians regardless of their ethnicity (Arab, Baloch, Kurd, Turk, Farsi, Afro-Iranians) but I sure as hell have a problem with your Wilayat al-Faqih supporters and your regime which there are 100's of reasons to be as an Arab. Wherever those supporters are from.

Anyway I find your pathetic lies of pretending to care about Arabs really hilarious. We see how much your Mullah's care for Arabs in Syria and now Yemen. So frankly pfuuuck off. Tired of your likes nonsense.
Read the quotes of your dirty brothers Saudi retardo :
Israel and Saudi Arabia: Best Friends Forever

Israel and Saudi Arabia are the best of friends despite what you may think. Their strange geopolitical relationship does not bode well for the nations around them, and could be at the heart of a possible WW3.

Israel and Saudi Arabia
have a snug and cozy relationship. They are, indeed, BFF or best friends forever as a typical Western teenage girl might label them. At first glance, it admittedly seems extremely odd that the Zionist regime of Israel, holding such an antagonistic presence towards Arabs in the Middle East, would be friends with arguably the most powerful Muslim nation in the region (alongside Iran). However, that is precisely what makes their allegiance so dangerous and nefarious. If you don’t look closely, you would never expect it. The truth is that these 2 nations have the same geopolitical aims and allies – which bodes ill for Palestine, Syria, Iraq and other “lesser” countries standing in their way. They have a number of common enemies, such as Iran, Shi’a Islam, Hamas, Hezbollah, pan-Arab nationalism and the Muslim Brotherhood. Understanding the depth and nature of the relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia sheds a clear light on what is happening in the Middle East, the geopolitics of the US-UK-Zionist axis, and the New World Order push towards World War 3.

Israel and Saudi Arabia: Brief History of a Love Affair
To understand the relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia, you first need to know how Saudi Arabia become a country. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) as it is formally called remains the only nation on the entire Earth to be named after and ruled by a single family (although in this there are already similarities with Israel, which is basically Rothschild-ville). As this writer points out in his article How Zionism helped create the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the British helped form the kingdom during the 1920s:

“The defeat of the Ottoman Empire by British imperialism in World War One, left three distinct authorities in the Arabian peninsula: Sharif of Hijaz: Hussain bin Ali of Hijaz (in the west), Ibn Rashid of Ha’il (in the north) and Emir Ibn Saud of Najd (in the east) and his religiously fanatical followers, the Wahhabis.”

Of these 3, Britain got the most help during WW1 from the Sharif of Hussain, who led the Arab Revolt against the Turks and helped the British defeat them. After the war, Hussain was hoping the British would keep their word (as he saw it) and agree to the establishment of a single Arabian country from Gaza to the Persian Gulf. However Britain, as it has done many times in the past, did not keep its promises. Instead, along with France, it drew up the Sykes-Picot agreement in 1916 (which I coved in my article Foreign Meddling in Syria: Decades Longer Than You Thought …) and issued the Balfour Declaration in 1917 (which mandated the establishment of Jewish Zionist state in Palestine at the prompting of the Rothschilds). The Sharif was not happy and told the British that he would never:

“… sell out Palestine to the Empire’s Balfour Declaration; he [would] never acquiesce to the establishment of Zionism in Palestine or accept the new random borders drawn across Arabia by British and French imperialists.”


Peter O’Toole as Lawrence of Arabia.

Enter Churchill and Lawrence of Arabia
At this point T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) was dispatched to bribe and buy Hussain. When this didn’t work, he turned to threats, which were also echoed by Winston Churchill, who was then Colonial Secretary. Both men threatened to unleash Ibn Saud and his Wahhabis (who they were arming and funding), which they did first against Ibn Rashid of Ha’il:

“Finally, in September 1921, the British unleashed Ibn Saud on Ha’il which officially surrendered in November 1921. It was after this victory the British bestowed a new title on Ibn Saud. He was no longer to be “Emir of Najd and Chief of its Tribes” but “Sultan of Najd and its Dependencies”. Ha’il had dissolved into a dependency of the Empire’s Sultan of Najd.”

By March 1924, the British realized that Hussain would not back down and accept a Zionist state in Palestine, so they unleashed Ibn Saud and his armies on Hijazi territory:

“Within weeks the forces of Ibn Saud and his Wahhabi followers began to administer what the British foreign secretary, Lord Curzon called the “final kick” to Sharif Hussain and attacked Hijazi territory. By September 1924, Ibn Saud had overrun the summer capital of Sharif Hussain, Ta’if … In Ta’if, Ibn Saud’s Wahhabis committed their customary massacres, slaughtering women and children as well as going into mosques and killing traditional Islamic scholars.[18] They captured the holiest place in Islam, Mecca, in mid-October 1924. Sharif Hussain was forced to abdicate and went to exile to the Hijazi port of Akaba.”

After losing Mecca, Hussain had to flee and lose his entire territory to Ibn Saud, ancestor of the current Saudi lineage:

“Sharif Hussain was forced out of Akaba, a port he had liberated from the Ottoman Empire during the Arab Revolt … Ibn Saud had begun his siege of Jeddah in January 1925 and the city finally surrendered in December 1925 bringing to an end over 1000 years of rule by the Prophet Muhammad’s descendants. The British officially recognized Ibn Saud as the new King of Hijaz in February 1926 with other European powers following suit within weeks. The new unified Wahhabi state was rebranded by the Empire in 1932 as the “Kingdom of Saudi Arabia” (KSA).”

As you can see, right from the start, the man who opposed a Zionist state in Palestine as a matter of principle was kicked out, and the man who was willing to let it happen was paid off handsomely and given an entire new country to rule. The Saudis were shaped by Zionism even before the actual creation of Israel as a nation on May 14th, 1948!


Does the House of Saud have Zionist roots?

Zionist Roots at the House of Saud?
There are also various claims around that the Saudi family itself may be Jewish, although, to be fair, these claims are hard to substantiate. There is the research of Mohammad Sakher who recounts the story about how a Jewish man disguised himself as an Arab and seeded the Saudi lineage. Sakher was apparently the subject of a Saudi contract murder hit for exposing the Zionist-Saudi roots. He includes a quote he states is from then King Faisal Al-Saud on September 17th, 1969 in the Washington Post:

“WE, THE SAUDI FAMILY, are cousins of the Jews: we entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslem Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (ARABIA) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world.”

There is other evidence that Muhammad bin Saud (founder of modern day the Saudi lineage) and Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab (the founder of the strict Wahhabism sect of Islam) may have been Jewish. This DIA (US Defense Intelligence Agency) document from September 24th, 2002, entitled “The Birth of Al-Wahabi Movement And it’s Historic Roots”, states:

“The original Arabic sheikhs of Najd as well as the scientific resources, confirm that Muhammad bin ‘Abd-al-Wahab is from a Jewish family from “AI-Dawnamah” in Turkey. The Dawnamah here refers to those Jews who have declared their Islam for the purpose of harming Islam and save themselves from the chase by the Ottoman Sultans.”

Reporter Wayne Madsen comments on this report:

“Much of the information is gleaned from the memoirs of a “Mr. Humfer,” (as spelled in the DIA report, “Mr. Hempher” as spelled the historical record) a British spy who used the name “Mohammad,” claimed to be an Azeri who spoke Turkish, Persian, and Arabic and who made contact with Wahhab in the mid-18th century with a view of creating a sect of Islam that would eventually bring about an Arab revolt against the Ottomans and pave the way for the introduction of a Jewish state in Palestine.”

Madsen also refers to a book called The Dönmeh Jews by D. Mustafa Turan, who claims that Wahhab’s grandfather, Tjen Sulayman, was actually Tjen Shulman, a member of the Jewish community of Basra, Iraq.

The 9/11 Saudi-Israeli Connection
So much for the history of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Fast forward to today, and it is easy to spot the interconnection of the Zionist regime and the corrupt, human-rights abusing Kingdom. The redacted and classified 28 pages of the 9/11 report has been in the news a lot recently. People still care about 9/11 and want to know the truth, which is still being massively covered up 15 years later. Israel and Saudi Arabia are both fundamentally connected to the 9/11 false flag terror attack. Israel’s fingerprints are all over the attack (you can see a sampling of the evidence in my article 9/11 was an Inside and Outside Job: Remembering the Israel 9/11 Role), while Saudi Arabia is also deeply implicated – for starters, 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. For a deeper analysis of the role of Israel and Saudi Arabia in 9/11, see Wayne Madsen’s 2014 book The Star and the Sword, where he shows Saudi and Israeli complicity in 9/11. In case you’re wondering why the NWO manipulators want to keep the lid on tight about the Saudi’s involvement, consider this: Saudi Arabia already threatened that if the US made the 28 pages public, they would sell off $750 billion of US Treasury debt! If the US exposed the Saudi role in 9/11, that would necessarily also include evidence implicating Israel. Besides, if the Saudis were threatened with exposure, they have another ace up their sleeve: they could also react by exposing their co-conspirators, Israel and the US.


Israel and Saudi Arabia are the same on Palestine.

Israel and Saudi Arabia: Same Attitude Towards Palestine
You would think that Saudi Arabia might differ widely and wildly from Israel on the subject of Palestine, but you would be wrong. The corrupt leaders of the Saudi Kingdom don’t care about Palestine or the Palestinians. Israeli-Saudi ties run deeper than any other ties the Saudis appear to have with other Arabs (that is, assuming they are Arabs and not Jews themselves).

As this article Saudi Arabia, Zionism, Peace and the Palestinian Cause states:

“Today, the mission of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to strengthen Zionism continues, this being accomplished by undermining popular regional and national resistance movements, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, in order to destroy their confidence and their willingness to resist Israel’s Zionist projects.”

“… when the 1948 Arab-Israeli War ended, the kingdom withheld financial support from the Egyptian and Jordanian forces still occupying parts of Palestine, and it made every effort to prevent Syria from uniting with Iraq to create a military counterweight to Israel. The kingdom also refused to contemplate the possible use of oil to pressure the US into a more even-handed Palestinian policy.”

“Saudi efforts to destroy the Palestinian cause even entailed military plans. Accordingly, in 2009 when the Gaza attack occurred, Saudi Arabia was in support of Israel, and repeatedly met the chief of Mossad to plan an attack on Iran, the main supporter of Hamas, the most influential anti-Israeli movement in the occupied land. Similarly, during the conflict along the Israel- Lebanon border in 2006, the Saudis allegedly contacted the Israelis, the top-selling Hebrew daily Yediot Aharonot reporting that Israel and Saudi Arabia had been conducting secret negotiations.”

Both Israel and Saudi Arabia are also aligned against Syria:

“… what now concerns the Saudis is the threat that Syrian nationalism can cause to the existence of the royal family and its Wahhabi mission within Billad el-Cham (Syria). Similarly, what worries Israel and the West is the threat that nationalism can cause to the existence of the State of Israel.”


Israel and Saudi Arabia: different names, same aims.

Israel and Saudi Arabia: Trading Together, Fighting Alongside Each Other
Israel and Saudi Arabia regularly help each other, fund each other and trade with each other. They just do it subtly or secretly. For instance, in 2015 Saudi King Salman helped finance the election campaign of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (we know this thanks to the Panama Papers leak). Saudi Arabia buys drones from Israel, but does it through the conduit state of South Africa to try to hide the transaction. AntiMedia recently reported that Israel and Saudi Arabia cooperate in military efforts, and that some of the islands in recent Red Sea deal (between Saudi Arabia and Egypt) are being used by both nations for joint military training.

Conclusion: Israel and Saudi Arabia – Different Names, Same Aims
Israel and Saudi Arabia have been closely connected even before they both became official nations in 1948 and 1932 respectively. They both form part of the US-UK-Zionist axis (either as a full-fledged member or a very close ally) which has aligned itself with Sunni Islam, the Gulf States, Turkey, France and Germany on one side, in opposition to Shia Islam, Syria, Iraq, Iran, China and Russia (see Syrian Ground War About to Begin? WW3 Inches Closer). Both Israel and Saudi Arabia were up-to-the-shoulders-deep in orchestrating and executing the 9/11 false flag attack. The 2 countries regularly trade together, fund each other, and militarily train together. It is vital to understand their strategic relationship if we are to make any sense of the chaos and geopolitics in the Middle East, as well as trying to stop WW3 from breaking out.

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If that was so, why is ARAMCO which essentially is the Saudi State implementing cost reduction measures in panic mode?
Or the switch from Hijri to Gregorian?
Are you going to parrot out the usual single line you have been in the last post or actually come up with a good argument without posting pathetic terms that will lead to your ban from this thread?
and while the Iranians are pretty screwed under their Mullah system, they at least have democracy to an extent.

Also, lets keep the hypocrisy of talking about democracy in a Kingdom ruled by 100 people from a single family and where princes can get away with murder but the poor commoner cant hope for a single break; a fact that led to a token prosecution of a prince just to keep the population satisfied that some justice is done.

I would also suggest keeping your sectarian flamebaits out of ANY of your posts.

There is no panic mode whatsoever nor does Saudi Aramco equal the Saudi Arabian economy. Necessary reforms are taking place which should have taken place ages ago. I suggest reading up what the World Bank has to say about Saudi Arabia's economy in their latest report. Things are improving already this quickly and the future prognosis are positive.

There has been no switch as what you think. Clearly you do not understand/know why that occurred. Salaries, allowances and other payments to public servants will now be paid according to the Gregorian calendar in order to be aligned with the country’s fiscal year. That is all.

Yes, Iran has as much democracy as KSA has whenever (on a daily basis) meetings in Majlids occur.

Nor have I claimed that KSA is a democracy did I? On the other hand this Farsi troll did.

That is nonsense. Recently a prince was executed for murdering another man. When has any Mullah in Iran ever been persecuted let alone executed?

There is nothing sectarian about stating ground realities especially not when my opponent was the first one who used this kind of talk. I could not care any less about sect.

Read the quotes of your dirty brothers Saudi retardo :
Israel and Saudi Arabia: Best Friends Forever

Israel and Saudi Arabia are the best of friends despite what you may think. Their strange geopolitical relationship does not bode well for the nations around them, and could be at the heart of a possible WW3.

Israel and Saudi Arabia
have a snug and cozy relationship. They are, indeed, BFF or best friends forever as a typical Western teenage girl might label them. At first glance, it admittedly seems extremely odd that the Zionist regime of Israel, holding such an antagonistic presence towards Arabs in the Middle East, would be friends with arguably the most powerful Muslim nation in the region (alongside Iran). However, that is precisely what makes their allegiance so dangerous and nefarious. If you don’t look closely, you would never expect it. The truth is that these 2 nations have the same geopolitical aims and allies – which bodes ill for Palestine, Syria, Iraq and other “lesser” countries standing in their way. They have a number of common enemies, such as Iran, Shi’a Islam, Hamas, Hezbollah, pan-Arab nationalism and the Muslim Brotherhood. Understanding the depth and nature of the relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia sheds a clear light on what is happening in the Middle East, the geopolitics of the US-UK-Zionist axis, and the New World Order push towards World War 3.

Israel and Saudi Arabia: Brief History of a Love Affair
To understand the relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia, you first need to know how Saudi Arabia become a country. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) as it is formally called remains the only nation on the entire Earth to be named after and ruled by a single family (although in this there are already similarities with Israel, which is basically Rothschild-ville). As this writer points out in his article How Zionism helped create the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the British helped form the kingdom during the 1920s:

“The defeat of the Ottoman Empire by British imperialism in World War One, left three distinct authorities in the Arabian peninsula: Sharif of Hijaz: Hussain bin Ali of Hijaz (in the west), Ibn Rashid of Ha’il (in the north) and Emir Ibn Saud of Najd (in the east) and his religiously fanatical followers, the Wahhabis.”

Of these 3, Britain got the most help during WW1 from the Sharif of Hussain, who led the Arab Revolt against the Turks and helped the British defeat them. After the war, Hussain was hoping the British would keep their word (as he saw it) and agree to the establishment of a single Arabian country from Gaza to the Persian Gulf. However Britain, as it has done many times in the past, did not keep its promises. Instead, along with France, it drew up the Sykes-Picot agreement in 1916 (which I coved in my article Foreign Meddling in Syria: Decades Longer Than You Thought …) and issued the Balfour Declaration in 1917 (which mandated the establishment of Jewish Zionist state in Palestine at the prompting of the Rothschilds). The Sharif was not happy and told the British that he would never:

“… sell out Palestine to the Empire’s Balfour Declaration; he [would] never acquiesce to the establishment of Zionism in Palestine or accept the new random borders drawn across Arabia by British and French imperialists.”


Peter O’Toole as Lawrence of Arabia.

Enter Churchill and Lawrence of Arabia
At this point T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) was dispatched to bribe and buy Hussain. When this didn’t work, he turned to threats, which were also echoed by Winston Churchill, who was then Colonial Secretary. Both men threatened to unleash Ibn Saud and his Wahhabis (who they were arming and funding), which they did first against Ibn Rashid of Ha’il:

“Finally, in September 1921, the British unleashed Ibn Saud on Ha’il which officially surrendered in November 1921. It was after this victory the British bestowed a new title on Ibn Saud. He was no longer to be “Emir of Najd and Chief of its Tribes” but “Sultan of Najd and its Dependencies”. Ha’il had dissolved into a dependency of the Empire’s Sultan of Najd.”

By March 1924, the British realized that Hussain would not back down and accept a Zionist state in Palestine, so they unleashed Ibn Saud and his armies on Hijazi territory:

“Within weeks the forces of Ibn Saud and his Wahhabi followers began to administer what the British foreign secretary, Lord Curzon called the “final kick” to Sharif Hussain and attacked Hijazi territory. By September 1924, Ibn Saud had overrun the summer capital of Sharif Hussain, Ta’if … In Ta’if, Ibn Saud’s Wahhabis committed their customary massacres, slaughtering women and children as well as going into mosques and killing traditional Islamic scholars.[18] They captured the holiest place in Islam, Mecca, in mid-October 1924. Sharif Hussain was forced to abdicate and went to exile to the Hijazi port of Akaba.”

After losing Mecca, Hussain had to flee and lose his entire territory to Ibn Saud, ancestor of the current Saudi lineage:

“Sharif Hussain was forced out of Akaba, a port he had liberated from the Ottoman Empire during the Arab Revolt … Ibn Saud had begun his siege of Jeddah in January 1925 and the city finally surrendered in December 1925 bringing to an end over 1000 years of rule by the Prophet Muhammad’s descendants. The British officially recognized Ibn Saud as the new King of Hijaz in February 1926 with other European powers following suit within weeks. The new unified Wahhabi state was rebranded by the Empire in 1932 as the “Kingdom of Saudi Arabia” (KSA).”

As you can see, right from the start, the man who opposed a Zionist state in Palestine as a matter of principle was kicked out, and the man who was willing to let it happen was paid off handsomely and given an entire new country to rule. The Saudis were shaped by Zionism even before the actual creation of Israel as a nation on May 14th, 1948!


Does the House of Saud have Zionist roots?

Zionist Roots at the House of Saud?
There are also various claims around that the Saudi family itself may be Jewish, although, to be fair, these claims are hard to substantiate. There is the research of Mohammad Sakher who recounts the story about how a Jewish man disguised himself as an Arab and seeded the Saudi lineage. Sakher was apparently the subject of a Saudi contract murder hit for exposing the Zionist-Saudi roots. He includes a quote he states is from then King Faisal Al-Saud on September 17th, 1969 in the Washington Post:

“WE, THE SAUDI FAMILY, are cousins of the Jews: we entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslem Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (ARABIA) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world.”

There is other evidence that Muhammad bin Saud (founder of modern day the Saudi lineage) and Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab (the founder of the strict Wahhabism sect of Islam) may have been Jewish. This DIA (US Defense Intelligence Agency) document from September 24th, 2002, entitled “The Birth of Al-Wahabi Movement And it’s Historic Roots”, states:

“The original Arabic sheikhs of Najd as well as the scientific resources, confirm that Muhammad bin ‘Abd-al-Wahab is from a Jewish family from “AI-Dawnamah” in Turkey. The Dawnamah here refers to those Jews who have declared their Islam for the purpose of harming Islam and save themselves from the chase by the Ottoman Sultans.”

Reporter Wayne Madsen comments on this report:

“Much of the information is gleaned from the memoirs of a “Mr. Humfer,” (as spelled in the DIA report, “Mr. Hempher” as spelled the historical record) a British spy who used the name “Mohammad,” claimed to be an Azeri who spoke Turkish, Persian, and Arabic and who made contact with Wahhab in the mid-18th century with a view of creating a sect of Islam that would eventually bring about an Arab revolt against the Ottomans and pave the way for the introduction of a Jewish state in Palestine.”

Madsen also refers to a book called The Dönmeh Jews by D. Mustafa Turan, who claims that Wahhab’s grandfather, Tjen Sulayman, was actually Tjen Shulman, a member of the Jewish community of Basra, Iraq.

The 9/11 Saudi-Israeli Connection
So much for the history of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Fast forward to today, and it is easy to spot the interconnection of the Zionist regime and the corrupt, human-rights abusing Kingdom. The redacted and classified 28 pages of the 9/11 report has been in the news a lot recently. People still care about 9/11 and want to know the truth, which is still being massively covered up 15 years later. Israel and Saudi Arabia are both fundamentally connected to the 9/11 false flag terror attack. Israel’s fingerprints are all over the attack (you can see a sampling of the evidence in my article 9/11 was an Inside and Outside Job: Remembering the Israel 9/11 Role), while Saudi Arabia is also deeply implicated – for starters, 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. For a deeper analysis of the role of Israel and Saudi Arabia in 9/11, see Wayne Madsen’s 2014 book The Star and the Sword, where he shows Saudi and Israeli complicity in 9/11. In case you’re wondering why the NWO manipulators want to keep the lid on tight about the Saudi’s involvement, consider this: Saudi Arabia already threatened that if the US made the 28 pages public, they would sell off $750 billion of US Treasury debt! If the US exposed the Saudi role in 9/11, that would necessarily also include evidence implicating Israel. Besides, if the Saudis were threatened with exposure, they have another ace up their sleeve: they could also react by exposing their co-conspirators, Israel and the US.


Israel and Saudi Arabia are the same on Palestine.

Israel and Saudi Arabia: Same Attitude Towards Palestine
You would think that Saudi Arabia might differ widely and wildly from Israel on the subject of Palestine, but you would be wrong. The corrupt leaders of the Saudi Kingdom don’t care about Palestine or the Palestinians. Israeli-Saudi ties run deeper than any other ties the Saudis appear to have with other Arabs (that is, assuming they are Arabs and not Jews themselves).

As this article Saudi Arabia, Zionism, Peace and the Palestinian Cause states:

“Today, the mission of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to strengthen Zionism continues, this being accomplished by undermining popular regional and national resistance movements, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, in order to destroy their confidence and their willingness to resist Israel’s Zionist projects.”

“… when the 1948 Arab-Israeli War ended, the kingdom withheld financial support from the Egyptian and Jordanian forces still occupying parts of Palestine, and it made every effort to prevent Syria from uniting with Iraq to create a military counterweight to Israel. The kingdom also refused to contemplate the possible use of oil to pressure the US into a more even-handed Palestinian policy.”

“Saudi efforts to destroy the Palestinian cause even entailed military plans. Accordingly, in 2009 when the Gaza attack occurred, Saudi Arabia was in support of Israel, and repeatedly met the chief of Mossad to plan an attack on Iran, the main supporter of Hamas, the most influential anti-Israeli movement in the occupied land. Similarly, during the conflict along the Israel- Lebanon border in 2006, the Saudis allegedly contacted the Israelis, the top-selling Hebrew daily Yediot Aharonot reporting that Israel and Saudi Arabia had been conducting secret negotiations.”

Both Israel and Saudi Arabia are also aligned against Syria:

“… what now concerns the Saudis is the threat that Syrian nationalism can cause to the existence of the royal family and its Wahhabi mission within Billad el-Cham (Syria). Similarly, what worries Israel and the West is the threat that nationalism can cause to the existence of the State of Israel.”


Israel and Saudi Arabia: different names, same aims.

Israel and Saudi Arabia: Trading Together, Fighting Alongside Each Other
Israel and Saudi Arabia regularly help each other, fund each other and trade with each other. They just do it subtly or secretly. For instance, in 2015 Saudi King Salman helped finance the election campaign of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (we know this thanks to the Panama Papers leak). Saudi Arabia buys drones from Israel, but does it through the conduit state of South Africa to try to hide the transaction. AntiMedia recently reported that Israel and Saudi Arabia cooperate in military efforts, and that some of the islands in recent Red Sea deal (between Saudi Arabia and Egypt) are being used by both nations for joint military training.

Conclusion: Israel and Saudi Arabia – Different Names, Same Aims
Israel and Saudi Arabia have been closely connected even before they both became official nations in 1948 and 1932 respectively. They both form part of the US-UK-Zionist axis (either as a full-fledged member or a very close ally) which has aligned itself with Sunni Islam, the Gulf States, Turkey, France and Germany on one side, in opposition to Shia Islam, Syria, Iraq, Iran, China and Russia (see Syrian Ground War About to Begin? WW3 Inches Closer). Both Israel and Saudi Arabia were up-to-the-shoulders-deep in orchestrating and executing the 9/11 false flag attack. The 2 countries regularly trade together, fund each other, and militarily train together. It is vital to understand their strategic relationship if we are to make any sense of the chaos and geopolitics in the Middle East, as well as trying to stop WW3 from breaking out.

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See, I knew that you would be unable to counter the ground realities and history so all you did was to post some useless conspiracy article. The truth hurts. Anyway I am not going to waste my time on you and I will allow you to live in your delusion for all to see. I have wasted enough of my time on a drone like you.
 
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KSA has approximately 1 TRILLION US dollars in investments across the world. Some say even more than this.

KSA "only" owns 117 billion of the US debt.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...i-arabia-s-treasuries-holdings-for-first-time

Why do you pretend to care about Palestine? When has Iran ever fought Israel even once? Never. KSA on the other hand has been the biggest donor to Palestine since 1947 and we host 1 million Palestinians while you host the grand number of 0.

KSA has proposed the best peace plan so far called the Arab Peace Initiative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

Iran has proposed nothing but supported a few Palestine groups with rockets that will change nothing. Only means that more civilian Palestinians will die when Israel retaliates. Anyway I believe that a few private Saudi Arabians donors have donated more to the Palestinian cause (military aid) than the Iranian state throughout its entire history.

Not only that KSA stopped exporting oil to the world back in the 1960's and 1970's as a protest against Israel which paralyzed the Western and world economies. Iran would never do such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Oil_Embargo

Saudi Arabian soldiers took part in the first wars against Israel as far back as 1948. In fact there were Saudi Arabian volunteers (given the huge number of Palestinians with ancestral ties to KSA and vice versa) before the creation of Israel as a country! Iranians where nowhere to be seen and have still never shown up in this regard.

So you can go fool another fool here.



Here is an article for you:

http://www.dotmsr.com/details/صور-نادرة-للملك-سلمان-في-حرب-1956

So Farsi, I suggest that you keep out of Arab affairs that have nothing to do with you and where you are unwanted. At least your Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah lot. Of course not all Iranians.

So understand that I have no problem with Iranians regardless of their ethnicity (Arab, Baloch, Kurd, Turk, Farsi, Afro-Iranians) but I sure as hell have a problem with your Wilayat al-Faqih supporters and your regime which there are 100's of reasons to be as an Arab. Wherever those supporters are from.

Anyway I find your pathetic lies of pretending to care about Arabs really hilarious. We see how much your Mullah's care for Arabs in Syria and now Yemen. So frankly pfuuuck off. Tired of your likes nonsense.

“Unholy Alliance” between Saudi Arabia and Israel. A US-Iran Nuclear Deal Would Trigger Regional Political Re-alignments
By Salman Rafi Sheikh
Global Research, March 29, 2015
New Eastern Outlook
Region: Middle East & North Africa
Theme: US NATO War Agenda
In-depth Report: IRAN: THE NEXT WAR?


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Any probable nuclear deal between the United States of America and Iran is likely to result in giving a new trajectory to their bi-lateral relations; however, it is not the US-Iran relations alone that would enter a new phase of political history. As a matter of fact, this deal is most likely to send political jolts across the entire Middle Eastern political landscape, with Saudi Arabia and Israel standing as the most sensitive areas to bear its shocks; and as such, are most likely to clutch their hands into an alliance against Iran, and by default, against the US ambitions as well.

It is not, however, to suggest that Saudia and Israel would essentially adopt an anti-US strategic posture. What is becoming evident is that these three states will be re-negotiating the terms of their mutual relations to meet changing geo-political realities in a more ‘composite’ manner. This strategic negotiation is not, however, to be manned by the US itself, nor would it be playing the role of a crucial “balancer” between regional players. The US, in the contrary, would itself be a party to this process, and as such, would be more concerned about maintaining its own relations with Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia than about merely assuring Israel and Saudia about the ‘harmless’ nature of the nuclear deal with Iran.

The process of re-negotiations has already started, and the fact that the US will be re-negotiating its own relations with her key regional allies is quite evident from the agenda John Kerry forwarded during his recent visit to Saudi Arabia. The main reason(s) for Kerry to visit Saudia was not that the US needed Saudi ‘support’ for finalizing this deal; it was necessary because the US wanted to make sure Saudi support in other matters of regional importance. Convincing Saudi Arabia to accept any agreed nuclear deal is important to President Barack Obama because he needs Riyadh to work closely with Washington on a host of regional policies and to maintain its role as a ‘moderating’ influence in oil markets. While the main critics of the US push for a nuclear deal with Iran are Israel and Congressional Republicans, Sunni Muslim powerhouse Saudi Arabia is also concerned that an accord would allow Iran to devote more cash and energy to Shi’ite proxies in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen, and in Saudia itself, which might lead to a serious escalation in regional conflict(s) of religious and non-religious nature.

On the other hand, Saudi concerns with regard to this deal are not based upon the possibility of Iran enjoying better relations with the US; Saudi concerns are largely related to her own position in the region following this deal; for, Iran does have enough politico-military and economic potential to counter-balance Saudi led “Sunni” states in the Middle East and beyond. It is precisely for this very reason that Saudi Arabia’s anxiety about an agreement has fueled a flurry of intense diplomacy in recent days to bolster unity among “Sunni” states in the Middle East in the face of “shared threats”, especially those emanating from Iran.

In other words, the central issue between Saudia and USA on the one hand, and the US and Israel on the other hand, is not the deal itself; it is the place Iran would have in the future Middle East. And, the very fact that the US officials are unwilling to outline what strategies might curb Iran’s regional influence, and the US record in Iraq, Syria and Yemen – where armed Iranian allies have since flourished and been resisting Saudi backed proxy factions – has caused Saudi Arabia and Israel great anxiety. To this anxiety has added the ‘fear’ of the US playing a double role in paving for itself a way entry into Middle Eastern politics. As a matter of fact, Saudia’s trust in Washington during the Iran talks is still recovering from the sudden move in late 2013 towards a nuclear deal, when Saudi officials, as also Israel itself, were blindsided by the revelation of months of secret talks between the US and Iran. At that time, for Saudia, the main issue was surely preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Now that the deal between the US and Iran is preventing the latter from developing Nuclear weapons, Saudia too has made a re-assessment of the possible threats and challenges Iran can and is causing in the region. Saudia, as such, now sees Iran’s involvement in Arab countries, particularly its backing of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, its support for Iraqi Shi’ite militias and its ties to the Houthi group that has seized control in northern Yemen, as a more urgent problem, resolution of which requires a “grand alliance.”

It is against this background that the Saudi King Salman is working to forge a “united front” among “Sunni” states against what Riyadh sees as grand threat from Iran. Over the last few weeks, Salman has met the leaders of all Saudi Arabia’s Gulf Arab neighbors, the king of Jordan and the presidents of Egypt and Turkey, the two most populous and militarily powerful Sunni states in the region. “The understanding is that we will face a more aggressive Iran if they sign an agreement. All the restrictions on it will be lifted and it will be much stronger. This is an issue that needs some sort of unity,” said Mustafa Alani, an Iraqi security analyst with ties to the Saudi Interior Ministry.

However, notwithstanding the significance of forging anti-Iran (and anti-Shia) alliance for Saudia and its allies, Saudi is not hesitating in forging much closer relationship with Israel than it has been having for last many decades. In February 2015, Saudi Arabia reportedly agreed to let Israel use its airspace to attack Iran if necessary, in exchange for “some kind of progress” on the Palestinian issue. The move will reportedly allow Israel to bomb targets in Iran by offering a shortcut, which will save fuel and time. The Saudi position was confirmed during multiple diplomatic talks, according to the report of an Israeli TV channel. “The Saudi authorities are completely coordinated with Israel on all matters related to Iran,” the European official from Brussels was also quoted as saying in that report.

Although there are no diplomatic ties between the two states, there have been various reports in the past showing that Riyadh and Jerusalem have been (deeply) cooperating when it came to Iran and its uranium enrichment program. For example, in November, Israel’s Mossad and Saudi officials were said to be working on contingency plans that could have included an attack on Iran if its nuclear program was not curbed enough, according to a report. It was also revealed that the Saudis were willing to assist an Israeli attack by cooperating with the use of drones, rescue helicopters, and tanker planes. On the other hand, Israeli behaviour also confirms some “abnormal” policy changes taking place. In February 2015, the White House and the US State Department stated that Israel had inaccurately provided information and twisted the official US position in nuclear talks with Iran. They also accused Jerusalem of “selectively” leaking details of sensitive talks, thereby casting Israel in the role of a “villain”, unwilling to accept Iran in a ‘new’ role.

The ‘unholy’ alliance taking shape between Saudia and Israel can decisively alter the Middle East’s geo-political landscape because of its potential to serve as the platform for many a state to practice what is otherwise known as “enemy of enemy is my friend.” Not only would it create a seriously hostile situation in the Middle East, but may also create a strong justification for Iran to contemplate going back to nukes. There are many probable scenarios that can take place in the future, given the number of regional and global actors involved in the ME. Therefore, we need not indulge in too much of speculation. However, what appears most certain and what is already on the wall is a grand anti-Iran alliance wherein the US would have minimum role to play; for, as the US takes one step towards Iran, its erstwhile allies seem taking two step backwards, and thereby, creating space for re-negotiating terms of their alliance.

Salman Rafi Sheikh, research-analyst of International Relations and Pakistan’s foreign and domestic affairs, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook
 
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There is no panic mode whatsoever nor does Saudi Aramco equal the Saudi Arabian economy. Necessary reforms are taking place which should have taken place ages ago.

There has been no switch as what you think. Clearly you do not understand/know why that occurred. Salaries, allowances and other payments to public servants will now be paid according to the Gregorian calendar in order to be aligned with the country’s fiscal year. That is all.

Yes, Iran has as much democracy as KSA has whenever (on a daily basis) meetings in Majlids occur.

Nor have I claimed that KSA is a democracy did I? On the other hand this Farsi troll did.

That is nonsense. Recently a prince was executed for murdering another man. When has any Mullah in Iran ever been persecuted let alone executed?

There is nothing sectarian about stating ground realities especially not when my opponent was the first one who used this kind of talk.



See, I knew that you would be unable to counter the ground realities and history so all you did was to post some useless conspiracy article. The truth hurts. Anyway I am not going to waste my time on you and I will allow you to live in your delusion for all to see.

Clearly I do not understand but somehow this Saudi Paper does and I will bet on the Saudi Paper anytime than your claims
http://saudigazette.com.sa/saudi-arabia/govt-staff-paid-gregorian-calendar/
The Cabinet took the decision as part of major austerity measures, including 20 percent salary cut of ministers and a moratorium on increment to government staff for the new Hijri year.

Actually, Mullahs are executed all the time in Iran; sometimes on actual charges and others on political rivalries. They have their own screwups.. but Saudi Arabia claiming it is more refined and just is rather dubious. Having Burger King or Taco Bell does not make justice and fair representation.

In either case, the Egyptian hand played has more to do with them wanting more than what Saudia was prepared to give.
 
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Clearly I do not understand but somehow this Saudi Paper does and I will bet on the Saudi Paper anytime than your claims
http://saudigazette.com.sa/saudi-arabia/govt-staff-paid-gregorian-calendar/
The Cabinet took the decision as part of major austerity measures, including 20 percent salary cut of ministers and a moratorium on increment to government staff for the new Hijri year.

Actually, Mullahs are executed all the time in Iran; sometimes on actual charges and others on political rivalries. They have their own screwups.. but Saudi Arabia claiming it is more refined and just is rather dubious. Having Burger King or Taco Bell does not make justice and fair representation.

In either case, the Egyptian hand played has more to do with them wanting more than what Saudia was prepared to give.

You are talking about another subject here. The salary of ministers being cut. Something that has taken place in all oil-producing countries, including Iran. That is in fact a very good thing which should have been done earlier. Payment for officials working in the public sector was too high to begin with. Every single change has been positive so far.

Anyway once again take a look at most recent World Bank and IMF reports about the Saudi Arabian economy speaking about what to believe and who.....

Also I struggle to see how that does change the previous facts I mentioned about the Saudi Arabian economic power, that of the GCC, Saudi Arabian investments abroad and home (exceeding 1 trillion US dollars) or Saudi Arabians being one of the most wealthy people in the world etc. It changes ZERO. NOTHING.

Care to mention those Mullah's who belong to the inner circle who have been executed? Maybe in a power struggle of some short but how is that a positive thing?

KSA and Egyptian ties remain close and will remain close as they have always done expect for during the Nasser era. We are neighbors, bond by ancient history (pre-Islamic as Islamic), geography (neighbors), blood etc. Any Saudi Arabian-Egyptian hostility will only suit our enemies and nobody else. Not to say that the largest Egyptian diaspora in the world is found in KSA and that millions of Egyptians rely on remittances from them.

In fact Egypt has such "catastrophic" ties with KSA that the The Supreme Administrative Court of Egypt reversed a previous courts ruling in regards to the two islands ceded to KSA. This happened less than 1 month ago and obviously could not have happened without the approval of Al-Sisi and the Egyptian regime/government in power.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/995701/saudi-arabia

Or the proposed Saudi-Egyptian causeway linking KSA and Egypt earlier this year and 100's of other examples of close cooperation be it political, economic or military. But of course non-Arabs here know it all.

So this thread is for uniformed people and the usual sensationalism. Once again Egypt has no diplomatic ties with Iran and has never had any diplomatic ties with the Mullah's nor is Egypt going to send any troops to Syria in order to aid Al-Assad. At most to combat ISIS but I doubt this as there is already a international coalition for that and no major power is committed to deploying a huge number of land troops.

Meanwhile in the real world KSA and Al-Sisi were the architects behind the Islamic Military Alliance and the Arab Leagues' Joint Military Force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Military_Alliance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Arab_League

A few disagreements on Syria, which are tiny and mostly about the future of Al-Assad (given Sisi's way to the power and his background it is no shock that he would not want Al-Assad gone as he could be next potentially let alone the many MB-inspired opposition groups in Syria which neither KSA supports) are not going to change anything in the wider picture. Jordan has the same opinion in this regard and KSA-Jordanian relations are as cordial and brotherly as always.
 
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You are talking about another subject here. The salary of ministers being cut. Something that has taken place in all oil-producing countries, including Iran. That is in fact a very good thing which should have been done earlier. Payment for officials working in the public sector was too high to begin with. Every single change has been positive so far.

Anyway once again take a look at most recent World Bank and IMF reports about the Saudi Arabian economy speaking about what to believe and who.....

Care to mention those Mullah's who belong to the inner circle who have been executed? Maybe in a power struggle of some short but how is that a positive thing?

KSA and Egyptian ties remain close and will remain close as they have always done expect for during the Nasser era. We are neighbors, bond by ancient history (pre-Islamic as Islamic), geography (neighbors), blood etc. Any Saudi Arabian-Egyptian hostility will only suit our enemies and nobody else. Not to say that the largest Egyptian diaspora in the world is found in KSA and that millions of Egyptians rely on remittances from them.

In fact Egypt has such "catastrophic" ties with KSA that the The Supreme Administrative Court of Egypt reversed a previous courts ruling in regards to the two islands ceded to KSA. This happened less than 1 month ago and obviously could not have happened without the approval of Al-Sisi and the Egyptian regime/government in power.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/995701/saudi-arabia

So this thread is for uniformed people and the usual sensationalism. Once again Egypt has no diplomatic ties with Iran and has never had any diplomatic ties with the Mullah's nor is Egypt going to send any troops to Syria in order to aid Al-Assad. At most to combat ISIS but I doubt this as there is already a international coalition for that and no major power is committed to deploying a huge number of land troops.

Iran is never a close party to Egypt, this is about Russia. The Russians are supporting Assad, your country supports the extremist terrorists trying to overthrow him. The Egyptians know that Russia is bigger than KSA and that is that.
Egyptians working and being the middle class in Saudi is also irrelevant since Sisi is thinking beyond KSA and the Royal family.

Call it cautiousness or otherwise; people are smelling trouble for the Kingdom and are taking adequate actions on their investments in it. What measures Prince Mohammad has come up with should have been done twenty years ago, something that Dubai and the rest of UAE followed suit in.
 
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The reality hurts if you are a Wilayat al-Faqih drone. I know.

Yes, KSA is so poverty-stricken that KSA is the 19th largest economy in the world and its citizens are some of the most wealthy in the world based on GDP per capita. Moreover KSA is one of the largest surplus nations along with Japan, Germany, China and a few others.

Let us not even talk about the GCC which combined has an bigger economy than 150 million big Russia that is equally as resource-rich if not more. Almost a 2 TRILLION US dollar GDP which will only rise and increase if you look at all future prognosis. KSA is expected to become the 18th biggest economy by 2050.

LOL, no GCC country likes the Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's. They are solely doing business (Qatar, UAE and Oman) that is mostly one-sided and in their favor. I would do the same even with my biggest enemy. It is called business. Something Arabs have always done well if you know your history.

Anyway as I have said repeatedly I do not care what the hell Iranians are doing in their own country but we don't want their Wilayat al-Faqih cancer anywhere near us and it is combated wherever it shows its ugly face.

If you love that system so much you should have been in Iran by now but judging by how they treat the regular Afghan in Iran (their supposed blood brothers to make it even funnier) I cannot think how they would treat the average Pakistani such as you that obviously has no higher education of any short.

all of your talk is based on assumptions while realities are different.

rest of the gcc has no problem with wilayat-e-faqih.
it is a proven years before in Islamic conference in qatar which saudi boycotted.

none wants to become a sacrificial lamb for ksa. :lol:
even usa is tired of fighting wars for ksa :lol:

pak refused to send military to yemen.
egypt now realizing that usa/uk tried to keep ksa above egypt.
Ksa is not allowing production in khafji oilfields to pressurize kuwait.
Qatar is not happy with ksa and have better relations with Iran
Yemen is fighting against ksa
Iraq do not like ksa
syria do not like ksa
Lebanon is tilted to Islamic Iran
Algeria have good relation with Islamic IRAN than ksa.
Oman is more close to Iran than ksa.
Only tiny bahrain is the colony of ksa due to usa/british military presence.
rest countries are irrelevant.

no doubt ksa is losing ground and poverty will increase in ksa.
few billionaires with immigrant slaves can't represent poor people.
so the figures are bogus and not realistic.
The best thing ksa can do is to abolish monarchy and introduce Islamic System.
 
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