Why Bangladesh overtook Pakistan

[Nilgiri]

Actually, I brought up that word in the context of this thread since Pakistan spent huge resources to create the independence that comes with nuclear weapons rather than concentrating on social development that has given Bangladesh its present lead in in human resource development.

Well I just saw Canada and "Vassal" and barged into it. Don't really care about how it applies/doesnt apply to dubiously democratic countries.

there is actually very little evidence to prove BD is any more influenced by India than 40 years ago.

I'm saying its any more or any less than before? LOL. I am talking about the inherent level, not the supposed change in level. You can say its 10%, I can say its 90%...and both agree nothing's changed after all.

Yet you rather talk about this with me rather than your countrymen. Determine what the level is with them... I'm saying Canada is not a vassal state. Whole different subject and you are telling me "whataboutery"?

 

[nahtanbob]

Actually Pakistan becoming a vassal state has zero possibility. Pakistan is not in that league. People used to claim Pakistan is Saudi vassal state, then American vassal state but then...now people claim the same about China which is ridiculous. China was investing when no one was, and China is Pakistan's strategic partner who had vetoed several bills presented against Pakistan. China is the one who is helping Pakistani military fulfill it's requirements when Russians, Europe and US refused to due to monetary benefits from India. India will never ever allow Bangladesh to grow militarily and independent because it does not want another "Pakistan" threat in it's high sensitive north east, and for this reason if India looses few billions to make Bangladesh happy it is worth it. There is simply zero comparision.

you are right pakistan is too big to be a vassal state

if Pakistan is not a vassal state of saudi arabia explain why Pakistan is not trading with Iran. if you are not a vassal of USA you would not drop support for the taliban over a phone call. while the entire state might not be a vassal selected actions indicate one of a vassal.

you do not have a single master. you have multiple ones selling yourself to the higher bidder based on the situation and self-interest

 

[American Pakistani]

you are right pakistan is too big to be a vassal state

if Pakistan is not a vassal state of saudi arabia explain why Pakistan is not trading with Iran. if you are not a vassal of USA you would not drop support for the taliban over a phone call. while the entire state might not be a vassal selected actions indicate one of a vassal.

you do not have a single master. you have multiple ones selling yourself to the higher bidder based on the situation and self-interest

It is embarrassing that a bongli bharti troll is quoting me who is also ashamed to fly his/her correct flags.

Pakistan doesn't have trade relations with Israel so that expose your nonsense naked. Pakistan want peace on its western border and kick out your bharti terrorists which is why it is pushing for peace talks. Unlike you mfs who sell your own women to highest bidder we are not selling any thing but working for our interests. You can sk it easy and get burnol to inject in the burning part from the r3@are.

 

[Śakra]

you are right pakistan is too big to be a vassal state

if Pakistan is not a vassal state of saudi arabia explain why Pakistan is not trading with Iran. if you are not a vassal of USA you would not drop support for the taliban over a phone call. while the entire state might not be a vassal selected actions indicate one of a vassal.

you do not have a single master. you have multiple ones selling yourself to the higher bidder based on the situation and self-interest

Doesnt recognize Armenia. Meanwhile even Turkey does. The list goes on...

 

[nahtanbob]

Pakistan doesn't have trade relations with Israel so that expose your nonsense naked.

so what ? maybe you have nothing to sell to each other ? the last time I checked Pakistan had no diplomatic representation in 100+ countries

 

[American Pakistani]

so what ? maybe you have nothing to sell to each other ? the last time I checked Pakistan had no diplomatic representation in 100+ countries

Are you thick Mr bangli bharti? You claimed Pakistan is a vassal state of certain countries including US, so if Pakistan was US vassal state, US would've ordered Pakistan to accept Israel.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

if Pakistan is not a vassal state of saudi arabia explain why Pakistan is not trading with Iran.

Can you please explain what Pakistan should have traded with Iran, that we couldn’t do with Saudia Arabia or elsewhere? Did we miss on our interests with Iran anywhere? We are not going to trade something with Iran just to prove your ridiculous assertions wrong now.
Also Iran is under sanctions, and our trade in general is of small volume any way.
Some actions that Pakistan took:
Aided their nuclear program and got accused as a nuclear profilitrator ( along with NK and Libya)
Support and weaponry provided to Iran during Iran-Iraq war etc

I think this should be plenty for your primitive mind to comprehend for now

if you are not a vassal of USA you would not drop support for the taliban over a phone call.

What! Can you please decide if Pakistan sheltered Taliban against US wishes for the last 17 years, or supported US against Taliban as a vassal state? Almost the entire world was with US after 9/11 so Pakistans support isn’t out of the ordinary

while the entire state might not be a vassal selected actions indicate one of a vassal.

Useless argument - you can say that about any country. In Pakistan context for every certain example you will cook, counter examples can be provided very easily (like ones provided for Iran and US above)

you do not have a single master. you have multiple ones selling yourself to the higher bidder based on the situation and self-interest

There is no master slave- only your vulgar mentality which is filled with hatred makes you think like that. If you take out the vulgar terms like master-slave and selling, thats pretty much what a good Foreign policy is about - looking after your interests depending on the situation.

 

[Sal12]

Or mutual interest...

Being almost surrounded by India Bangladesh will always like to have better relationship with india

OfftopicOI
I always wonder pakistani's claiming that Pakistan is in a strategic Location...

What is the great advantage they does have.?

They are not like turkey bridging bother Europe and Arab world

Pakistan sits at the cross roads of South, Central and West Asia.

 

[nahtanbob]

What! Can you please decide if Pakistan sheltered Taliban against US wishes for the last 17 years, or supported US against Taliban as a vassal state? Almost the entire world was with US after 9/11 so Pakistans support isn’t out of the ordinary

you must have never heard of the word "double game"

 

[khanz]

Oh please... we do not have to hear this from you guys. None of your elected prime minister completed his/her term. While your military rulers stayed in power and jailed more opponents than all BD govt combined.

Atleast we had options- Pakistan is a much more true and free democracy than BD atleast it's not a one party dictatorship .We have free media Imran Khan and all other PMs are openly criticised and made fun of by many personalities and on social media/newspapers /TV etc would you guys dare openly same way criticize SH in BD ? dare to jail her for her crimes ? BD choice is Sheikh Hasina or Sheikh Hasina lol

Pakistan is not the only country like that. There are many multi ethnic countries which shares groups with it's neighbor. Indonesia for example. They are doing fine.

Korea and Japan are ethnically homogenous countries like you why aren't you doing as well as them then ? every country is different due to geopolitical situation- Indonesia is an island country in a peaceful part of the world,no major territoral dispites,few refugees and a country that shares no borders with war torn countries/ no spillover effects and not been sanctioned or villified in the international media nor played much of a part in world changing geopolitical events.Had Pakistan only shared a small border with Malaysia instead of Afghanistan and been far removed geographically from any major conflict things would be different too.

You are partially responsible for that. You played games in Afghanistan for years and still playing for your geopolitical ambitions.

Nope -you need to stop parrotting the Indian narrative and learn the history of the region Pakistan never played games in Afghanistan.They played games with us Pashtunistan was started by them in the early days long before Pak became the military power it is today. Pak got involved there after the soviet invasion and also again after the WOT which caused refugee crisis root cause was the soviet occupation and this was long before Taliban and much Pak influence there. Infact Afghans even tried to invade Bajaur in the 60s(when Pakistan was doing very well) but suffered a humilating defeat by Pakistani tribesmen.Afghanistan started it and sadly for them ended up getting the worst of it when Pak turned the tables and returned the favour decades later. Is BD responsible for Rohingya crisis ? Modi who is your own ally just made 4 million of your people stateless (with friends like that I don't think Pak is very envious of your position)Is this crisis due to your demographic ambitions ?

Thats why someday you will have to compare your condition with Afghanistan.

funnily enough living conditions in Pakistan are actually better than BD despite your economic prowess don't see any afghans looking at BD as a living destination meanwhile Pakistan has several hundred thousand Rohingya who's sought refugee there aside from the fact Pakistan attracts far more tourists than BD ever has which is increasing more and more it's also attracted 2 million of your countrymen to live there.

 

[Arsalan 345]

you are right pakistan is too big to be a vassal state

if Pakistan is not a vassal state of saudi arabia explain why Pakistan is not trading with Iran. if you are not a vassal of USA you would not drop support for the taliban over a phone call. while the entire state might not be a vassal selected actions indicate one of a vassal.

you do not have a single master. you have multiple ones selling yourself to the higher bidder based on the situation and self-interest

dude there are circumstances.you can't blame pakistan for war in afghanistan.we helped united states because we were under pressure and with no choice.you know the military power of united states.remain neutral wasn't an option.we have two major sects living in pakistan.it's normal for us to have relations with iran and saudia.we also have good relations with turkey.we do the hard work.in fact we helped americans so many times in the past.we helped cia.what else you want? we aren't a vassal state.we helped you so many times but you never appreciated our hard work.we will surely end this war in afghanistan by bringing back both americans and talibans on the table.we are helping you.

 

[nahtanbob]

dude there are circumstances.you can't blame pakistan for war in afghanistan.we helped united states because we were under pressure and with no choice.you know the military power of united states.remain neutral wasn't an option.we have two major sects living in pakistan.it's normal for us to have relations with iran and saudia.we also have good relations with turkey.we do the hard work.in fact we helped americans so many times in the past.we helped cia.what else you want? we aren't a vassal state.we helped you so many times but you never appreciated our hard work.we will surely end this war in afghanistan by bringing back both americans and talibans on the table.we are helping you.

you had no options in 2001. but there were plenty of options before that. in any case it is high time everyone moved on

 

[syed_yusuf]

there is no question BD has done well in last 20 years or so. but comparing to Pakistan is not fair. Pakistan has been through a lot and most other nations would have seized to exists of what Pakistani has through in last 20 years.

Provided Pakistan right atmosphere, it will grow exponentially insha ALLAH. i feel good for BD. no doubt, but do not write of Pakistan. If last 6 months are of any indication, 3 years from now, this thread on Defence.pk will pose a different picture.

 

[gangsta_rap]

i dont know what caused hoodbhoy to turn into such a stooge but hes been churning out stuff like this very frequently now

 

[TheDarkKnight]

you must have never heard of the word "double game"

And that contradicts your point of vassal state; vassal state by its definition doesn’t play double games.