Why are we so adamant in our support for Palestine when they themselves support India against us?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Thank you brother and I appreciate your spirit, may Allah bless you. May Allah forgive me and you and all Muslims for their sins on these days of Eid.

I commend Pakistanis for their humble and brotherly attitude to other Muslims and I respect you guys for that. You have a powerful nation yet are not arrogant towards other Muslims and you guys love your country in a good way, not in an unhealthy way like some other Muslims do unfortunately. I really respect that and hope Allah protects your nation and people forever.

Ameen, to you as well. Thanks for all your wishes.

The masses of the Pakistani people stand squarely with the Arabs of Palestine, we have never even contemplated abandoning the cause of Palestine.

How can we abandon the Muslim mothers wailing for their lost precious ones? The stolen laughter and the dries tears of our abused sisters. The homeless father who can't feed his children.. The lifeless bodies dumped in trenches by Israeli occupiers.

Until the last Pakistani, we shall never abandon our holy cause to bring light back into the Muslim world. Palestine, Kashmir, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, all are our holy lands and all are our sacred people.

We dont?

Cant live without their timatars and can't close airspace but expect others to fight our wars...


That is in short exactly what will happen.

Pakistan's secular idiots however think that the day we recognize Isreal, we will magically become an advanced country like Singapore. That is the level of their self-deception!

Quaid e Azam in an interview with Duncan Hooper from Reuters:

“There was bound to be the gravest disaster and unprecedented conflict, not only between the Arabs and the Authority that would undertake to enforce the Partition plan, but the entire Muslim world will revolt… Pakistan will have no other course left but to give its fullest support to the Arabs”.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We ourselves are doing topi dramas. We ourselves threw Hafiz Saed in jail for 11 years, why expect Palestenians to support him?

We let our enemies create the narrative, and we fully embraced responsibility for things we never did. Mumbai is just one example. Abottabad fake raid also.

We should have stood our ground, FATF or not.

That is in short exactly what will happen.

Pakistan's secular idiots however think that the day we recognize Isreal, we will magically become an advanced country like Singapore. That is the level of their self-deception!

Lol. The developmental issues with Pakistan are more severe and internal. For one, we desperately need land reform to break the hold of zamindars/jagirdars. I was listening to a lecture today by Dr. Israr Ahmad about Hazrar Umar RA and his land reforms in newly acquired Islamic lands, where lands became property of Bait ul Mal, and were distributed on need (not family ties.) Quite interesting. That is just one example.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Only temporary solution is complete settlement freeze and lifting the siege of Gaza for a long term 'break' for both sides.

Sorry bro, but this will never happen.
At the very least the Gaza part.
Our population will never trust the Palestinians in the West Bank, let alone Gaza, to do them any kinds.

Any Prime Minister even suggesting such an action as lifting the blockade over Gaza won't be elected.

Honestly I don't think there will ever be peace. Too much bad blood between the populations.
Not even talking about who is right and who is wrong, from each ones percpective, an Israeli man that had his family member killed by a Palestinian and a Palestinan man that had his family member killed by Israel will never forgive the other side.

Now that things are heating up even more, I don't know what to expect.

 

[Cliftonite]

Sorry bro, but this will never happen.
At the very least the Gaza part.
Our population will never trust the Palestinians in the West Bank, let alone Gaza, to do them any kinds.

Any Prime Minister even suggesting such an action as lifting the blockade over Gaza won't be elected.

Honestly I don't think there will ever be peace. Too much bad blood between the populations.
Not even talking about who is right and who is wrong, from each ones percpective, an Israeli man that had his family member killed by a Palestinian and a Palestinan man that had his family member killed by Israel will never forgive the other side.

Now that things are heating up even more, I don't know what to expect.

What is the end plan of Netanyahu? Annexing the Jordan valley and the settlements wouldn't make a two state feasible. I've heard some arguments from Likudniks that the settlements serve as a buffer to increase the distance between population centres of Israel such as Tel Aviv from the Palestinian areas in case of rocker attacks. Why not go back to the 67' borders?

 

[Musings]

Sorry bro, but this will never happen.
At the very least the Gaza part.
Our population will never trust the Palestinians in the West Bank, let alone Gaza, to do them any kinds.

Any Prime Minister even suggesting such an action as lifting the blockade over Gaza won't be elected.

Honestly I don't think there will ever be peace. Too much bad blood between the populations.
Not even talking about who is right and who is wrong, from each ones percpective, an Israeli man that had his family member killed by a Palestinian and a Palestinan man that had his family member killed by Israel will never forgive the other side.

Now that things are heating up even more, I don't know what to expect.

You have a valid point. I dont see their being peace.

A vermin comes into your house and takes a stake in the corner claiming it as his territory. Every few years it takes a few more centimetres claiming it as its land. Eventually starts questioning the ownership of the house and actually kicking the owner out resulting in the deep rooted hatred for vermin.

Problem with Palestinians is their immediate Arab brethren, the ones blessed with the black gold tend to look after their personal interests rather than fellow neighborly "brothers".

Pakistan has always had a soft spot for anything Arab related. Pakistan should have kept their distance. Today all try to make peace and allow the vermin to do what they want and still today it blanks anything relating to Israel. Mistake IMO.

 

[nascar 42]

I dont know whether this post is entirely relevant to the thread but one must also take note of how anti-Pakistan Marxists exploit sentiments about Palestine to swell their ranks with new recruits. Let me give you guys an example of how this works.

Go through twitter profiles of all 'patriotic dissenters' and you will find numerous instances of them churning out pro-Palestine tweets. Many troublemakers in Pakistan's leading universities gain trust of impressionable students by anti Israel and pro Palestine rhetoric. Then, after cultivating sufficient support, they move on to draw absurd comparisons between the Palestinians and minority ethnic groups in Pakistan. This might be because Palestine has long been the darling of the global left but more attention needs to be paid about the Palestine narrative being exploited by Marxists in Pakistan.

To counter this trend, it is important that we do not play into the hands of anti state lobbies by calling for recognizing Israel. This will drive more youth into communist ranks. Instead, we should support Palestine even more vocally so that the monopoly of 'patriotic dissenters' over the issue is broken.

 

[Cliftonite]

You have a valid point. I dont see their being peace.

A vermin comes into your house and takes a stake in the corner claiming it as his territory. Every few years it takes a few more centimetres claiming it as its land. Eventually starts questioning the ownership of the house and actually kicking the owner out resulting in the deep rooted hatred for vermin.

Problem with Palestinians is their immediate Arab brethren, the ones blessed with the black gold tend to look after their personal interests rather than fellow neighborly "brothers".

Pakistan has always had a soft spot for anything Arab related. Pakistan should have kept their distance. Today all try to make peace and allow the vermin to do what they want and still today it blanks anything relating to Israel. Mistake IMO.

Firstly, Israel did not encroach on land. They agreed to the 1947 UN partition plan, the Arabs didn't. Israel won the land in 1948 when Arab armies invaded it and they repelled and pushed back the Arabs. Then the Palestinians had the opportunity to make do with the current borders of West Bank and Gaza but they wanted Tel Aviv and Yaffa too. So again after the 1967 war, Israel won the West Bank and Gaza in a war. It did not encroach on land. It won it in a defensive war.

Gotta dispel myths. Y'all will call me anti national and Zionist stooge but we have been fed a bungled up account of history by the Arabs. And we take it hook line and sinker.

 

[nascar 42]

I was listening to a lecture today by Dr. Israr Ahmad about Hazrar Umar RA and his land reforms in newly acquired Islamic lands, where lands became property of Bait ul Mal, and were distributed on need (not family ties.) Quite interesting. That is just one example.

Dr Israr Ahmad R.A. was way ahead of his time. Could you kindly send me a link to this lecture you mentioned ?

 

[Musings]

Firstly, Israel did not encroach on land. They agreed to the 1947 UN partition plan, the Arabs didn't. Israel won the land in 1948 when Arab armies invaded it and they repelled and pushed back the Arabs.

Please enlighten me. Won? How did they win the land? Was it a competition?

Who gave permission for some people to be uplifted and plonked into what is known as "Israel" today?

 

[Naofumi]

defensive

Preemptive strike -> Offensive war.

Why not go back to the 67' borders?

Illegal settlements, most of the Jewish Israelis agree that illegal settlements acts a buffer zone.

 

[Cliftonite]

Please enlighten me. Won? How did they win the land? Was it a competition?

Who gave permission for some people to be uplifted and plonked into what is known as "Israel" today?

They won it because the Arab armies attacked Israel a day after it's independence. Israel was much smaller under the 1947 partition plan. The Jews had accepted that plan. Jerusalem was completely surrounded by Palestinian land under the 1947 UN plan. The Arabs had to unnecessarily attack Israel and Israel managed to successfully repeal and drive them back, hence gaining land. Your antisemitic bias is too much, you won't believe what I am saying.


Then till 48 to 67,West Bank was under Jordan and Gaza under Egypt. Palestine could have said okay to that and made their new state. But no they wanted to drive out Jews from all of erstwhile British mandate Palestine aka Israel. From river to sea. And it's after the 1967 war, that Israel won the West Bank, Gaza and Golan heights.

I am not absolving Israel of guilt. They are guilty of encroachment by building settlements and keeping the Palestinians under limbo as stateless people. They need to dismantle the settlements and go back to the 1967 borders. But to paint Israel as the complete total villain and Palestine as the innocent angel is disingenuous in this whole affair.

Preemptive strike -> Offensive war.


Illegal settlements, most of the Jewish Israeli agree that illegal settlements acts a buffer zone.

The balance of power is in favor of the Israelis. The Palestinians will have to concede from their stance. The Camp David accords were a good peace option. The biggest bane to all peace talks is PLO's insistence that Palestinians be admitted into Israel as a right to return, which is impossible because the Jews will never let Israel's demography change. They already have 20% Muslims in the form of Israeli Arabs.

 

[H. Dawary]

Thanks brother for your insight. I feel very deeply about the situation of Palestinian suffering. It is the heart of the Muslim Ummah and reveals the rotten thinking of so many "Muslim" nations, who just look the other way when their brother is being humiliated and crushed.

To me it is the same parallel as Kashmir, except that Kashmir still has Pakistan willing to fight tooth and nail for its people

In an ideal world, how beautiful to have a nation like that standing for Palestinians next door. How KSA, Egypt, and Syria have disappointed us.. Once upon a time there were heroes like Mamelook, Nuruddin Zengi, Salahuddin Ayyubi, etc. to defend the rights of the innocents. In sha Allah, soon our hero will come, we wait eagerly for him. Do not lose hope, dear brother, our armies will once again march into Al Quds.

I wish we had more Arab members to give their views, esp ones more representative of the common voice of Arab masses like you. Jazak Allahu khair.

I hope Pakistanis can look at the eyes of the youth of Palestine and say with surety, we always supported you and never abandoned you. We would sell the whole world for you.

No one in the Earth could make us leave the blessed path of Rasulullah saws. If Pakistan stands alone in refusing to recognize Israel. Then we alone will earn Allah swt pleasure.

Have we not done the same for Kashmir and Afghanistan? @H. Dawary

We told the world "No," the lives of our next generation are more valuable than your bags of money.

Wonderful post, you have done much for us Thanks to Allah. InshAllah we can pay you back in the future, you have aided us in our time of difficulty and should ever difficulties fall upon Pakistan (god forbid), InshAllah we can do the same.

 

[Beny Karachun]

What is the end plan of Netanyahu? Annexing the Jordan valley and the settlements wouldn't make a two state feasible. I've heard some arguments from Likudniks that the settlements serve as a buffer to increase the distance between population centres of Israel such as Tel Aviv from the Palestinian areas in case of rocker attacks. Why not go back to the 67' borders?

I don't know what his end plan is. It's dependent on the Palestinians. The Palestinians don't want a two state solution, they want Palestine and nothing else. Thus there will never be peace and we shouldn't give them anything because they will always want more.

Why would Israel give up territory when it's in a strong position? If anyone needs to give up something, it's the Palestinians. If there would be rocket attacks from the West Bank, it's game over. Our government, for some reasons, is the most fierce when the center is attacked.

A vermin comes into your house and takes a stake in the corner claiming it as his territory. Every few years it takes a few more centimetres claiming it as its land. Eventually starts questioning the ownership of the house and actually kicking the owner out resulting in the deep rooted hatred for vermin.

It never was like that.

 

[Naofumi]

we shouldn't give them anything because they will always want more.

That's screwed up logic.

 

[Cliftonite]

I don't know what his end plan is. It's dependent on the Palestinians. The Palestinians don't want a two state solution, they want Palestine and nothing else. Thus there will never be peace and we shouldn't give them anything because they will always want more.

Why would Israel give up territory when it's in a strong position? If anyone needs to give up something, it's the Palestinians. If there would be rocket attacks from the West Bank, it's game over. Our government, for some reasons, is the most fierce when the center is attacked.


It never was like that.

Wow don't you sound an awful lot like Nazis? Is the irony totally lost on you that you are talking about a whole group of people like they are animals? How can you keep 3 million people as disenfranchised stateless people?