WHY ARE UYGHUR MUSLIMS PROTESTING ALL OVER THE WORLD AND WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP THEM?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Which sides are you on when it comes to Kurdish issue in Turkey?

Every Kurd (from any country) I have met has always been pro-Turkey. History and culture of the two is intertwined.

PKK is a terrorist group. They don’t represent Kurds.

Lol, China is not pakistan allies
Both country only have a good term relationship. Thats it.
Like i Said in the past and i Will Said again in here.
Your allies is Turkey and Arab
With China, it is just business as usual

Oh, you think China Will sacrifice her national interest to country like pakistan? Boy, what kind of medicine you took? China wont give a shit what other muslim World think.. what happened in Xinjiang is internal matter.
Want to change it? Go fight for it..
oh wait, you guys better grows some balls First

I really believe you are an Indian. Why are you egging on this fight?

They are both separatist and terrorist groups, and you support one and oppose another, well done.

Common line of West, but not true. Turkey is a sovereign state and PKK is a terrorist group (currently supported by West, Israel, and other countries.)

In Turkey itself, the situation of the Kurds isn't that bad. Turkey doesn't send them to re-education camps or whatever like China does. Also, the ruling AKP party in Turkey gets tonnes of kurdish votes.

Trying to compare the situation of kurds to uighurs is dishonest.

Kurds in Turkey see themselves as any other Turk. Erdogan is popular among Kurds I know from Turkey, Iraq, and Syria. Iranian Kurds are Shia and loyal to Iran.

Chines Gov should make a fair policy for them.
Forcing any one to adopt some one concept is bad at all.

You know it create hate among masses. If you force a girl/ Boy to marrying you its mean he/ She can destroy your life even you have abundant power by any means.

But any gov is wise enough to make a strategic policy to give aptly life to its pop, and its called a good nation where public is happy.

Hope Chines gov would take necessary action.

My view exactly.

Where the emotional Kemalists (who can turn Islamist in seconds according to the situation) hiding. they run away after creating fight among Chinese and Pakistanis.. like bharatis they also desire Pakistan and China to be at each other's throat

By insulting Uyghurs and Turks with racial slurs and abusing Pakistan, you are not gaining any friends here.

Yes, there are some Indian members pretending to by Chinese to promote this fight.

We Pakistanis/Turks just want to discuss the camps, but Posters Haidian and Offshore want to abuse every Muslim. You see the difference.

What your Arab, Turk and persian brothers did for you when you were through worst last decade in history of Pakistan.. if any country remotely standing with us, its China.. I will prefer to stand for Chinese 100 times then for your brothers.

Anti-Muslim hysteria in China will eventually tarnish our relationship as well.

Turkey has always stood behind us.

True.. @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan should not note this.. they got what they wanted and now they are enjoying the game... Never buy their emotional rants. Thats what i learned here..

I only responded to Chinese members when they attacked my country..

As did I. I am not a hater of China.

I oppose their policy of religious persecution of Muslims in China. That’s it.

If that day came and Pakistan was exactly the way it is today - by that I mean how vast majority of Pakistanis place their identity as "Muslim" first then the simple anwser emphatically is -

YES


Pakistan would be sending hordes of fighters, money, weapons and giving asylum to as many Uighurs as you can imagine. They would get treated like heroes and all the mullahs would be giving fiery sermons about "jihad against the kuffar chinee". No doubt there would be some radical Turks joining the Pakistanis as well in this "Uighur jihad".

That is the honest truth!

That’s a very pessimistic view of Pakistanis you have.

How would rabid anti-Muslim populist sentiment effect the Chinese government? If these racist and haters take power in China, will our alliance last?

Have we not see what has happened to the US, Europe, India because of such rhetoric?

We have to nip this problem in the bud.

Both the Turks and Chinese who are mostly very rational must understand that realpolitik demands that Pakistan follow the policy it does. I want both to please try and appreciate our position and as friends, good friends both should not place us in a position where for lack of better way of explaining we are forced to choose between two fingers on our hand. We can't. and it is not fair for both sides to force this choice between both.

• The Turks as 'good brothers" should know that we live in a very difficult part of the world. We have a neighbour that is nearly as large as ten Russias. Yes 10 Russias. Our neighbour on the east has nearly 7 to 1 majority in numbers over us. That is like a ocean we have to hold back. Then we have no real natural resources. Then we have no real export markets next door to us. Then we have no NATO like alliance to give us some leverage. We are alone. And probably can only count on Turks as our 'brothers' who sadly happen to divided from us by that annoying enigma called Iran. So do try to understand our predicament. On everything else I think you know where we stand.
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• The Chinese are our strategic ally. Although truth be told we don';t share anything else in culture or religion but strategic reality brings us together and will not change anytime soon. So China you can depend on Pakistan because your not going to get another country on your southern flank that you can depend on as a strategic hedge against Indo-US hegemony. So try not to get excited. Pakistanis are not East Asians and never will be. But strict rules of business demand certain behaviour and yu guys are good at business. So follow those rules because it is win win for both.

So guys try to avoid bringing Pakistanis into this difficult issue of Uighurs please.

Yes, good points. I agree 100%.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistanis are not East Asians and never will be.

I say this for a reason. I was on the phone with my kids who are on a tour of East Asia. That is Hong Kong, Japan and then Singapore. Right now they are in Japan and I am apt to reflect by what their experiances have been. There is precious little in common between East Asians and Pakistanis. On the other hand they have dined in Turkish restaurents as they offer great, tasty halal food and they are everywhere even in Tokyo. And the reaction from Turks when they find they are Pakistani is 100% positive. Although for some reason they think they are "Uzbeki".

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

So when are the re-education camps and religious restrictions on Uyghurs and Hui ending so we can go back to being friends?

 

[q12093487q]

Let us be honest about this. Cultural revolution was not that long ago in historical terms and if you bring up Armenian so called genocide then I would expect Turks to reply with what @xenon54 posted. That is exactly what I would do. You and I know that both events can be used and often are used to gain political point scoring. So why not drop all this infantile stuff and accept we all have had difficult times in history that our detractors use. So why not avoid this discussion at it is leading no where but mud slinging and in mud slinging everybody walks away tarried.

Let us be honest ，the only reason pakistani people care about uyghurs is that uyghurs are muslims if uyghurs are non-muslims they won't give a damn and since china is not a muslim nation，it will only make things looked even worse，muslims opressed by muslims is viewed as insider‘s job but muslims opressed by non-muslims will be viewed as outsider‘s job

People will always be more sensitive when things was done by outsiders than insiders ，this is the nature of humanity

I can punch myself as much as I want but I cannot accept a single hit from other people

See history recorded on history books in every nation around the world you will found the same kind of narrative

It may looked hypocritical but I have no problem with it.I accept it as a nature of humanity which can not and should not be wiped out，so I fully understand why pakistanni members have oponions on this kind of issue

 

[Offshore]

So when are the re-education camps and religious restrictions on Uyghurs and Hui ending so we can go back to being friends?

lol.. not going to end, get used to it

 

[Max]

By insulting Uyghurs and Turks with racial slurs and abusing Pakistan, you are not gaining any friends here.

Yes, there are some Indian members pretending to by Chinese to promote this fight.

We Pakistanis/Turks just want to discuss the camps, but Posters Haidian and Offshore want to abuse every Muslim. You see the difference.

What you wrote have to do with my quoted part? Quote the part where i abused Uighur and Turks.

No one wanted to discuss camps, neither they or you have any info about camps.. they just wanted to have troll fest against Chinese by involving Pakistanis.. they got that and now are no where to be seen.. you are new to this forum..

Anti-Muslim hysteria in China will eventually tarnish our relationship as well.

Turkey has always stood behind us.

I dont know about future.

Yeah all your Turk, Persian brother stood behind you with only empty words. China stood with actual investments and actions.. So you go die for your Turk brothers. i will stand with Pakistan and China. not to forget i will always be there to share my empty words for your brothers.

I oppose their policy of religious persecution of Muslims in China. That’s it.

Thats not the opinion of Pakistani Govt, OIC or any govt in the Muslim world.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Let us be honest ，the only reason pakistani people care about uyghurs is that uyghurs are muslims if uyghurs are non-muslims they won't give a damn and since china is not a muslim nation

Doesn't China care about Chinese people in other countries? You have to understand the way of thinking. Muslims view themselves as one nation, which is called Ummah, the nation of Muhammad saws which began in Madina.

Pakistanis want to act as a bridge between China and the Muslim world. We want very desperately to find a large nation which will be friendly and an ally to world Muslims against the onslaught of Western occupation and destruction of our brothers and sisters.

This is the worse possible PR being done by China against itself. It is still possible to reverse it. I sincerely hope so, because I have spoken to many Muslims around the world who are criticizing Pakistan and Pakistanis for remaining silent. Actually they are right.

When you ally with an ideological Islamic nation, you must understand there are certain understandings about how Muslims will be treated in your own countries.

What you wrote have to do with my quoted part? Quote the part where i abused Uighur and Turks.

No one wanted to discuss camps, neither they or you have any info about camps.. they just wanted to have troll fest against Chinese by involving Pakistanis.. they got that and now are no where to be seen.. you are new to this forum..



I dont know about future.

Yeah all your Turk, Persian brother stood behind you with only empty words. China stood with words, actual investments and actions.. So you go die for your Turk brothers. i will stand with Pakistan and China. not to forget i will always be there to share my empty words for your brothers.



Thats not the opinion of Pakistani Govt, OIC or any govt in the Muslim world.

That was directed at some Chinese posters, not you.

What possible outcome can we have by attacking each other? Haven't enough Muslims been killed being pawns of Non-Muslim powers? Enough is enough.

My loyalty is to my nation and my people. I don't need to apologize for that. Uyghurs are our blood brothers.

If you continue attacking me, I will no longer reply.

 

[q12093487q]

Muslims view themselves as one nation


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As you said ，here is the problem.when china and muslims have common interests it will be fine, what if one day china and muslims lost all the common interests? I cannot imagine

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

As you said ，here is the problem.when china and muslims have common interests it will be fine, what if one day china and muslims lost all the common interests? I cannot imagine

We are two different nations, civilizations, and historical entities. It goes for all of countries and trans-national entities.

Respect and reciprocity is the basis of any friendship. We want genuine friendship with China and Muslims.

Has Pakistan ever done anything against China or Chinese citizens?

So why this and why now?

For us, it seems like a betrayal.

 

[Offshore]

As you said ，here is the problem.when china and muslims have common interests it will be fine, what if one day china and muslims lost all the common interests? I cannot imagine

you see their logic?? suddenly Muslim interest became China interest
and it's our fault if we don't follow their interest.. what kind of play victim mentality is that?
it's not wrong if we see them as a potential threat in future
fortunately Beijing have see this kind of scenario and hold all the cards

 

[q12093487q]

We are two different nations, civilizations, and historical entities. It goes for all of countries and trans-national entities.

Respect and reciprocity is the basis of any friendship. We want genuine friendship with China and Muslims.

Has Pakistan ever done anything against China or Chinese citizens?

So why this and why now?

For us, it seems like a betrayal.

I only view chinese flee to foreign countries selling nation sercets and oversea chinese fighting with china as real betrayal,as the same logic I only view muslims fighting with each other as the real betrayal.

Sorry， I really don't think china betrayed pakistan

you see their logic?? suddenly Muslim interest became China interest
and it's our fault if we don't follow their interest.. what kind of play victim mentality is that?
it's not wrong if we see them as a potential threat in future
fortunately Beijing have see this kind of scenario and hold all the cards

Future is unpredictable， as long as pakistan didn't do anything harmful to china，we will still be friend with them

 

[AHMED85]

My view exactly.

Practical Things mate.

 

[haidian]

Does your goverment recognize the biggest genocides in human history?

First those numbers were never verified, second none of them are raciial genocide that we talked about. But you Turk purposedly try to annihlate a nation.

I have to say that Turkey now has grown too big for its shoes and completely goes against its founding fathers policies which brought the nation this far. Turkey messes with every world power for no reason and becomes increasingly radical in everything by the day. If Pakistan chooses to be with Turkey down this path, the development future will look very bleak.

As for Muslim solidarity , that's a joke, we alll know Muslims killed more Muslims than the rest of world put together and times 100.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

We want very desperately to find a large nation which will be friendly and an ally to world Muslims against the onslaught of Western occupation and destruction of our brothers and sisters.

Not going to happen. You need to accept reality or swim against the stream and end up drowning yourself.

The west at philosophical, religious, historical, ethnic has far more convergence with most of the Muslim majority countries then China ever will. For instance despite west moving toward secularism which is exactly what even some Muslim countries like Turkey are it remains a what might called a Abrahamic civilization in the sense it is heavily influenced by Chrisianity which along with Judaism are as you know 'people of the book'. However the Chinese are a athiest society with some socialist leanings.

The reason why Muslims [many but not all] are having a clash with west is exactly the reason you cite as "Muslims view themselves as one nation, which is called Ummah". If you think you will be able to dance with the Chinese with that song you are in for a shock. The west is far more prepared and lenient to this concept then Chinese ever will be. If the west might only give you few inches on this concept but the Chinese will bury you with that concept.

So get ready for a rude awakening if you think your going to be able tango with the Chinese for long with such thoughts.

Let us be honest ，the only reason pakistani people care about uyghurs is that uyghurs are muslims if uyghurs are non-muslims they won't give a damn and since china is not a muslim nation，it will only make things looked even worse，muslims opressed by muslims is viewed as insider‘s job but muslims opressed by non-muslims will be viewed as outsider‘s job

People will always be more sensitive when things was done by outsiders than insiders ，this is the nature of humanity

I can punch myself as much as I want but I cannot accept a single hit from other people

See history recorded on history books in every nation around the world you will found the same kind of narrative

It may looked hypocritical but I have no problem with it.I accept it as a nature of humanity which can not and should not be wiped out，so I fully understand why pakistanni members have oponions on this kind of issue

10/10. Great post.

And just to confirm this why not check out what we are doing to Shia Hazara in Pakistan right now. Practically a genocide is going on that media has not picked up on because they are Shia and seen as pro Iran. But their treatment in Pakistan is bad if not worse then what Uighurs are [allegedly] going through in China.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I only view chinese flee to foreign countries selling nation sercets and oversea chinese fighting with china as real betrayal,as the same logic I only view muslims fighting with each other as the real betrayal.

Sorry， I really don't think china betrayed pakistan



Future is unpredictable， as long as pakistan didn't do anything harmful to china，we will still be friend with them

You seem like a calm, rational individual. It’s good to see the thread progress from petty abuse and insults.

Here I was talking about the Chinese workers in Pakistan and their families. Pakistan has spared no small hospitality to those people. We love and respect our guests, it’s in our culture and we are happy to have them.

We have even relaxed our laws and even allowed them to import pork and other products which are not allowed for most Pakistanis.

Pakistan provides guards and security for Chinese tourists and workers.

We are allies and we don’t do harmful things to others, esp our friends. We are looking after our interests and those of our brothers.

We want to see the end of these Problems in Xinjiang, and we differ about the solution. Instead of isolating and re-educating them, why not try promoting their traditional religious, culture, and civilization.

You may actually win friends in Turkey, Azerbaijan, and the other CARs.