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Why are conspiracy theories popular in Pakistan??

My dear friend , why are u hiding behind False flag
Are u too ashamed to call urself the son of ur great nation:pakistan:
And franky dont give US this Zaid Hamid / Riaz Haq BULL $HIT

Brother he is Indian only. What he said was joke. :rofl:

Anyway you will find lot of ups and downs in this forum but I promise you will not find such an equal right forum (although it follows Pakistan laws) any where. :pdf:

I have gone to almost all types of forum whether Indian or Pakistani but all debates were one side while here you get a chance to debate on both ways. Although still some racist or anti religion prevail but it also help to decrease the mis understanding.
 
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Pakistan supports terror.
Pakistan is the cause of failure in Afghanistan.
Mullah Omar is in Pakistan and everyone knows it.
Pakistan is a militant's haven.
Pakistan is a failed state, etc.

Yes, but selectively. But surely it doesn't back Taliban as per view.
No, Pakistan is not a cause of failure but surely USA is. I consider Afghanistan also party of that.
Mullah Omar is somewhere which is hidden from almost everyone and where large no. of talibans are guarding.
Pakistan is indeed militants heaven. I consider it more than what Afghanistan has.
Pakistan is technically not a failed state but its economy is affected by WOT. So, anytime a worst decision could surely lead to the way of failed state but still long way to think.
etc. - we will consider once that theory comes. :rofl:
 
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and its hard for pakistanis to believe that ajmal has any name like kasab which literally means butcher, the bollywood can only come up with such names..

Conspiracy theory again.....

I think it was BBC/Guardian that visited Kasab's village first, I got the guardian page... and you will get the 'butcher' theory as well...


Revealed: home of Mumbai's gunman in Pakistan village

Revealed: home of Mumbai's gunman in Pakistan village | World news | The Observer

Sunday 7 December 2008

Since the terrorist attacks in Mumbai 10 days ago, speculation has been rife about the birthplace of the lone surviving gunman, Ajmal Amir Kasab. India and Pakistan have clashed over reports that he came from the Punjab. Saeed Shah, after spending days travelling throughout the region, tracked down the killer's home - and his grandfather - and found conclusive proof of his identity

The little house was certainly that of a poor family, with a courtyard to one side and a small cart propped up in one corner. The old man and middle-aged woman who answered the door were not the owners. No, they insisted, the owners were away.

'They've gone to a wedding,' said the old man, identifying himself as Sultan. He was, he said, Amir's father-in-law. So, that would make him Ajmal's grandfather? At last, it seemed, this was the right place.

It had taken days to get to Faridkot, a small, dirt-poor village in Pakistan's Punjab province. More than a week after the arrest of the only Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist taken alive during the terror strike on Mumbai, so little was still known about him. His name, for instance. Was he Mohammed Amin Kasab, Azam Amir Kasav? Or was he Mohammed Ajmal Amir? The name Kasai in fact means he would hail from a butcher community - that would be his caste. But it was recorded as Kasav, then later Kasab. The discrepancies reportedly stemmed from the fact that the Mumbai police officers who first questioned him were Marathi speakers and unable to communicate with the south Punjab resident in anything other than Hindi patois.

And where exactly was he from? Faridkot is what he told his interrogators, but this is a common village name. There were four candidates in the Punjab region.

Days of trying to establish which was the right one had led to a Faridkot near the Indian border, outside a town called Depalpur. The nearest city was Okara. It seemed to fit. And it was at this Faridkot that Ajmal's father was believed to live.

Initially villagers were unhelpful. No, said those approached, there was no one known here of that name. Even shown a photograph of Ajmal taken during the Mumbai siege, all swore they did not recognise him. The mayor was clear. 'There is a man who came to see me called Amir Kasab, who was worried,' said Ghulam Mustafa Wattoo. 'He told me that the Ajmal on the news was not his boy. That boy's gone away to work. There's no extremist network here.'

Was this another dead end?

As the villagers were questioned, the confusions appeared to multiply. Finally the name Mohammed Ajmal Amir, son of Mohammed Amir Iman, who ran a food stall, emerged.

At other Faridkots, including one near the town of Khanewal, villagers had been friendly and helpful, proffering tea as they shook their heads. 'No. Not from here,' they said. For a while, it appeared that this Faridkot would also prove a wasted journey. The mayor said there had been no local police investigation, suggesting that the authorities did not view this place with suspicion. But, over time, inconsistencies in the villagers' accounts heightened suspicion that this was the place. 'He [Amir] has lived here for a few years,' said one villager, Mohammad Taj. 'He has three sons and three daughters.'

Noor Ahmed, a local farmer, said: 'Amir had a stall he pushed around, sometimes here, sometimes elsewhere. He was a meek man, he wasn't particularly religious. He just made ends meet and didn't quarrel with anyone.'

Still the picture was confusing. While sometimes confirming that Amir did live in the village, and had a son called Ajmal, on other occasions locals claimed to know nothing.

Finally one villager confirmed what was going on: 'You're being given misinformation. We've all known from the first day [of the news of the terrorist attack] that it was him, Ajmal Amir Kasab. His mother started crying when she saw his picture on the television.'

Attempts to meet Amir, the father, however, were not to be successful. Villagers eventually told us that he and his wife, Noor, had been mysteriously spirited away earlier in the week.


'Ajmal used to go to Lahore for work, as a labourer,' continued the villager who feared being named. 'He's been away for maybe four years. When he came back once a year, he would say things like, "We are going to free Kashmir."'

Wresting the whole of Kashmir from Indian rule is Lashkar-e-Taiba's aim. Ajmal had little education, according to locals. But it is still unclear whether he was radicalised in the village or once he had left to work elsewhere.

It is said that from the age of 13 he was shuttled between his parents' house and that of a brother in Lahore. If he did indeed speak fluent English, as claimed in Indian press reports, he would have had to have learnt that after he left the village.

But the villager who turned whistleblower said that local religious clerics were brainwashing youths in the area and that Lashkar-e-Taiba's founder, Hafiz Sayeed, had visited nearby Depalpur, where there were 'hundreds' of supporters. There was a Lashkar-e-Taiba office in Depalpur, but that had been hurriedly closed in the past few days. The Lashkar-e-Taiba newspaper is distributed in Depalpur and Faridkot. Depalpur lies in the south of Punjab province, an economically backward area long known for producing jihadists.

Shown a picture of Ajmal, the villager confirmed that he was the former Faridkot resident, who had last visited the village a couple of months ago at the last festival of Eid.

Some locals have claimed that this Faridkot, and another poor village nearby called Tara Singh, are a recruitment hotbed for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant group accused of carrying out the Mumbai attack. On the side of a building, just outside Faridkot, is graffiti that says: 'Go for jihad. Go for jihad. Markaz Dawat ul-Irshad.' MDI is the parent organisation of Lashkar-e-Taiba. In Depalpur, a banner on the side of the main street asks people to devote goatskins to Jamaat ud Dawa, another MDI offshoot.

Tara Singh is home to a radical madrasa - Islamic school - and there is another hardline seminary in nearby Depalpur. The nazim (mayor) of Tara Singh, Rao Zaeem Haider, said: 'There is a religious trend here. Some go for jihad, but not too many.'

Some reports emerging in India suggest that Ajmal may have joined Lashkar -e-Taiba less because of his Islamist convictions but in the hope that the jihad training he would receive would help to further the life of crime upon which he had already embarked. But once inside Lashkar's base, his world-view began to change.

Here, films on India's purported atrocities in Kashmir and heated lectures by fiery preachers led him to believe in Lashkar's cause. It has also been said that, when he was chosen for the Lashkar basic combat training, he performed so well that he was among a group of 32 men selected to undergo advanced training at a camp near Manshera, a course the organisation calls the Duara Khaas.

And finally, it seems, he was among an even smaller group selected for specialised commando and navigation training given to the fedayeen unit selected to attack Mumbai.

The authorities may now attempt to deny that Ajmal's parents live in Faridkot, but, according to some locals, they have been there for some 20 years. But by the end of our visit, a crucial piece of evidence had been gained. The Observer has managed to obtain an electoral roll for Faridkot, which falls under union council number 5, tehsil (area) Depalpur, district Okara. The list of 478 registered voters shows a 'Mohammed Amir', married to Noor Elahi, living in Faridkot. Amir's national identity card number is given as 3530121767339, and Noor's is 3530157035058.

That appears to be the last piece of the jigsaw. A man called Amir and his wife, Noor, do live in Faridkot, official records show. They have a son called Ajmal.

Following our last visit to Faridkot, the mayor, Wattoo, announced via the loudspeaker at the mosque that no one was to speak to any outsiders.
By yesterday, Pakistani intelligence officials had descended in force on Faridkot. Locals, speaking by telephone, said a Pakistani TV crew and an American journalist had been roughed up and run out of town. It appeared that the backlash had begun.




And this is latest one... from Dwan's journo visiting Kasab's village after he was sentenced to death...

Tell-tale silence in Faridkot
By Masud Alam
Wednesday, 12 May, 2010


DAWN.COM | National | Tell-tale silence in Faridkot





http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...eb50fdf/faridkotuncles_afp608.jpg?MOD=AJPERES
Pakistani villagers watch breaking news on the Indian court verdict against the sole surviving gunman of the Mumbai massacre, Mohammed Ajmal Amir Kasab, at a house in the remote town of Faridkot on May 3, 2010. — AFP


FARIDKOT: The comment itself was quite innocuous. The voice tone was balanced and the expression clear and un-halting. And yet there was something conspiratorial about it.

“Indians have demonstrated double standards in the case of Ajmal Kasab. The Pakistani suspect gets four death sentences and the Indian suspects go free. It’s a shame for all Pakistanis and specially the government of Pakistan to keep quiet on this blatant injustice,’ said Afzal Hussain Shirazi. His statement seemed well-rehearsed and ended with a polite ‘thank you’. He then pushed away the microphone with the finality of someone who has said it all and won’t say another word. :coffee:

He was sitting cross legged on a charpoy inside a shop selling herbal medicine. This is Faridkot – the otherwise nondescript village made famous by one of its youths, Ajmal Kasab, who had just been sentenced to death by a court in India for the Mumbai terror attacks of November 2008.

I’d criss-crossed through much of central and eastern Punjab to get to Okara. A majority of people I spoke to about Kasab, showed little knowledge of and interest in the subject. Even in Okara, some 35km from Faridkot, I ran into people who did not know the young man, much less the verdict against him.Finally, in Dipalpur, the town nearest to Faridkot, I met journalists in the local press club who advised me against proceeding to the village for my own safety, and offered instead to give me all the information I needed. It was there I’d first heard the argument, more or less in the same words, as those uttered by Shirazi.

Faridkot was taken over by intelligence agencies soon after the Mumbai attacks and arrest of the lone surviving perpetrator, Ajmal Kasab. At that time Islamabad was still denying that he was a citizen of Pakistan, and the Pakistani and international media was combing south Punjab from where, according to the initial reports, Ajmal Kasab came from.

Some of the earliest arriving media men – and at least one woman – were harassed by plainclothesmen and even detained by police, and a local journalist Mian Rabnawaz Joiya, was hounded and arrested for helping visiting journalists establish the fact that Ajmal Kasab indeed belonged to Faridkot.

In time Islamabad came round to owning up Ajmal Kasab as a citizen, even offered Indians help with the investigation. :rolleyes:

Nearly a year and half later, the media returned to Faridkot last week to get the Kasab family’s and the villagers’ reaction to the death sentence awarded to Ajmal Kasab in India, and they found little if any change in the media policy of Faridkot handlers. Only, the spooks were not visible anymore, their duties transferred to police and a local politician.

There were reports that the Kasab family had been allowed to return to village, though not to their own home, but no one knew, or was willing to say where to find them. The family was once again whisked away by security agencies shortly after the media scrambled into Faridkot.

Joiya, who is president of Dipalpur Press Club, was still facilitating journalists wishing to visit Faridkot but he hadn’t set foot in the village himself since his traumatic incarceration, and dutifully fulfilled the requirement to inform the chief of city police of the comings and goings of journalists.

The officer for his part welcomed scribes to Dipalpur but asked them to be cautious because as he put it, people of Faridkot don’t like media attention. His binding advice was: take a police escort along or report to one Ghulam Mustafa Wattu, the former Union Council Nazim and resident of Faridkot who is carrying on the job of managing media from the start.

My ‘escort’ took me straight to his home on the main road that dissects the village. Wattu was on the phone, visibly happy at what he was hearing, and thanking profusely the person at the other end. “It was the intelligence officer. He has confirmed a job for my nephew here,” he told his audience proudly after putting down the phone.

Then he turned to another visiting journalist and continued his comment on the Indian justice system and the deafening silence of Pakistanis … Yes, the comment I’d heard in Dipalpur and one that was to be repeated by Shirazi a little later.Wattu’s modus operandi is simple. He won’t let the journalists venture into the village on their own, of course ‘for their own protection’. But some journalists I spoke to felt that the frequent unpleasant incidents between journalists and local residents, that are used to justify Wattu’s services, are in fact engineered by him. Whatever the truth, the journalists did feel insecure in Faridkot, especially venturing into the residential part of the village.

That left them with Wattu’s lounge and the bazaar – a strip of dozen or so shops on both sides of the road – to find their subjects to interview.

Majority of men I came across refused to answer any question, not just about Ajmal Kasab. The sweet shop guy has never heard of Ajmal. A couple of men who must be in Ajmal’s age group, are too shy to speak. The faithful walking out of the mosque point towards Wattu’s residence a few metres away and hurry past. And majority of passersby are ‘outsiders’.

Those who did speak to me invariably repeated the one argument I’d heard all day. The entire village it seemed – and Dipalpur town included – thought as one, or else someone was doing the thinking for them.

The only exception was two boys of around 15 years of age. I struck up a conversation with them on the roadside. They seemed friendlier than the rest.

I picked up the local newspaper and showed the front page picture to them. “Of course I know him”, conceded one, trying to avoid the censorial look from an older boy who had refused to speak to me earlier. “He looks more handsome now, no?” chipped in the other. “So what do you think of this fellow you knew, getting death sentence in India?” I asked. “I didn’t say I knew him. Just that I recognise him. And I don’t care if he is hanged or shot,” and both laughed out loud.
 
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and what are the facts, the pure fantasy that ajmal kasab some hoe through fidh boat managed to escape into the high secure waters of india, though many would argue how he got there by fisher mans boat in the first place, ajmal kasab speaks urdu, his letter to his family accompanied many hindi words, ajmal can speak with thorough hindi dialect, the passport from terrorists were found to be pakistani, a mobile phone sim card was pakistani, ajmal lived in farid kot, though his family strangely disappeaed before eve ajmal family was to be discovered..

man i am really confused right now!

Do you even realize how much harm you do to your country when you say such things? This thread is about conspiracy theories in Pakistan and you jump straight in with one of the most famous conspiracy theories known. Do you know how bad you make Pakistan look when you say such things?

In the initial few weeks after the attacks, I can accept that you were reluctant to accept India's assertions without sufficient proof. But now, when your country has accepted that Kasab is a Pakistani citizen, why do I still see so much denial?

You are proving the thread starter completely right with your comments.
 
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Their r many reasons why they support conspiracy theory

Pakistan as a nation from the start live in a feeling that it was betrayed by the world at every level,from its independence to Kashmir and Bangladesh

Moreover in recent times their economical condition,disasters,natural calamities,terrorism and their political instability,their ineffective leaders everything have plagued them in recent times

as a true national they find it hard that most of the result r their policies and feel all this happened because of the same betrayal they faced from this demoniac world,hence they made it a habit to blame others,blame a foreign hand for each and every misfortune of their

Soon the Media houses and certain people(u know whom)started to sense it and started to capitalize on it,roll every day a new controversy theory and increase ur sales and trp.Soon controversy theory became the national sport of Pakistan

the player in this game change every day.the popular 3 r India,Israel and u.S,every day one of them will b the centerpiece of their controversy theories,they r selected on the basis of against whom Pakistani's had the most resentment on the given day

Controversy theories r of two types,one in which how this evil world with the leadership of 1 of the above mentioned nation is planning a cheap and deadly mission to obliterate Pakistan and the other one's in which how even after so much misfortune how the great 6 foot tall,white,god fearing people from the land of pure r still superior to the people from land of infidels(India, Israel)and its military

some people had gained so much foothold in Pakistan publishing this controversy theories that they have become ultra popular,media houses fight with each other to bring this people for their evening show

Anyway Pakistani people believe that such kind of news will ward of all evils and the misfortunes from their society they can happily have it

Alex, there may be lots of reasons why conspiracy theories arise in Pakistan as you have outlined..but is requires a particular mindset among the population for such theories to become mainstream. Many countries including India have seen numerous adversities over the years but I don`t think any other place has seen hate of the "other", which consequently gives rise to conspiracy theories, becoming so entrenched as in Pakistan..

All countries have extreme right wing media but nowhere has it permeated the nation's psyche to the extent that it has done in Pakistan (and certain other societies in the middle east).
 
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Only economic progress can reduce conspiracy theories.

Pakistani's are vehla (Free, idle). An idle mind is the devil's workshop! Big joint families, less opportunities, heavily influenced historical narratives, very religious, list is long ...

GT, you may be right but what is concerning is the level of hatred for Hindus/Jews/Christians or anyone not perceived as one of "us" that is evident among common people (I am assuming that the views expressed on this forum are fairly representative of the general thinking among the educated classes in Pakistan). The last time the world witnessed such hatred for the "evil other" was in the 1930s and we all know how that ended (although some people do claim that the holocaust never happened..I have been to Auschwitz and can confirm that millions did perish there)
 
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Do you even realize how much harm you do to your country when you say such things? This thread is about conspiracy theories in Pakistan and you jump straight in with one of the most famous conspiracy theories known. Do you know how bad you make Pakistan look when you say such things?

In the initial few weeks after the attacks, I can accept that you were reluctant to accept India's assertions without sufficient proof. But now, when your country has accepted that Kasab is a Pakistani citizen, why do I still see so much denial?

You are proving the thread starter completely right with your comments.

the point being pakistan accepting the mumbai attacks doesnt matter, has india proved that it was a pakistani plot, even ajmal kasab hasnt been able to locate himsself in pakistan, kasab was labelled as a brain washed jehadist who by his words said that the mullahs said to him he will go to heaven for thism, but the question is why kasab didnt bombed suicide himself as is the norm here, and question is, it was only kasabs pictures that kept appearing even when the mumbai attack was going on, and why didnt other attackers info was not released..

dude rehman malik is a pretty un reliable fellow and he was the one who aaceted on behalf of pak govt, and aside pakistan not even indians trust his words..
 
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well u need to look here n there then we shud claim.even i will give u link where u will 99% find out that 9/11 was not done by al qaeda,u.s was behind that attack.lot of incidents happen which are staged for something else.

Hmmm..and I can point you to sites which claim that the Appollo landings never took place:angel:
 
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the point being pakistan accepting the mumbai attacks doesnt matter, has india proved that it was a pakistani plot, even ajmal kasab hasnt been able to locate himsself in pakistan, kasab was labelled as a brain washed jehadist who by his words said that the mullahs said to him he will go to heaven for thism, but the question is why kasab didnt bombed suicide himself as is the norm here, and question is, it was only kasabs pictures that kept appearing even when the mumbai attack was going on, and why didnt other attackers info was not released..

dude rehman malik is a pretty un reliable fellow and he was the one who aaceted on behalf of pak govt, and aside pakistan not even indians trust his words..

I did not say that the Pakistani government ordered the Mumbai attacks. Even the Indian govt. only says that rogue elements in the ISI might have had a hand in it.

All info of all attackers was released. With names and other details. I have myself seen it on websites and newspapers. You ought to search harder.

The fact remains that you are not willing to accept the fact that he was a Pakistani citizen. Hence doing more damage to your own country and proving the thread starter right.

And I am reporting your post all the same, since I am dead sure that you are a double ID.
 
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the point being pakistan accepting the mumbai attacks doesnt matter, has india proved that it was a pakistani plot, even ajmal kasab hasnt been able to locate himsself in pakistan, kasab was labelled as a brain washed jehadist who by his words said that the mullahs said to him he will go to heaven for thism, but the question is why kasab didnt bombed suicide himself as is the norm here, and question is, it was only kasabs pictures that kept appearing even when the mumbai attack was going on, and why didnt other attackers info was not released..

dude rehman malik is a pretty un reliable fellow and he was the one who aaceted on behalf of pak govt, and aside pakistan not even indians trust his words..

Care to respond to post no 33 by Kinetic?? What is your objection to A Kasab accepted as Pakistani when several investigative journalists, including ones from Dawn, have confirmed this? At what point does a conspiracy theory become the "truth" or vice versa?

Are you doubts confined to terrorist attacks in India or do you believe that attacks in Pakistan are being carried out by Blackwater on the behest of CIA/RAW/Mossad? Do you believe that the Appollo landing were filmed in a hollywood studio? Do you believe that the Egyptiam Pyramids and the Stone Henge were constructed by aliens?
 
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This topic has been done again and again. The general Pakistani doesn't believe in any more conspiracy theories than the general Indian. So please get off the high horse.
 
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This topic has been done again and again. The general Pakistani doesn't believe in any more conspiracy theories than the general Indian. So please get off the high horse.

I am not aware of any conspiracy theories that are widely held as the "truth" in India.Propoganda from various quarters does exist but people tend to take a more nuanced approach to such things...
 
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I did not say that the Pakistani government ordered the Mumbai attacks. Even the Indian govt. only says that rogue elements in the ISI might have had a hand in it.

All info of all attackers was released. With names and other details. I have myself seen it on websites and newspapers. You ought to search harder.

The fact remains that you are not willing to accept the fact that he was a Pakistani citizen. Hence doing more damage to your own country and proving the thread starter right.

And I am reporting your post all the same, since I am dead sure that you are a double ID.

The ISI is a part of the official Pakistan Army and hence the government.

By putting the blame on 'rogue elements' (what are 'rogue elements' anyway?) of the ISI, you're adding to the disrespect for :pakistan: that seems to be a past time for a handful of nations nowadays...

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I am not aware of any conspiracy theories that are widely held as the "truth" in India.Propoganda from various quarters does exist but people tend to take a more nuanced approach to such things...

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