Why Arabs Lose Wars

[mahatir]

tell me this, if the Arabs were united, wouldn't the Arabs be a superpower? but the west will never let that happen, they want the Arabs divided, how do they keep them divided? they have their own puppet governments...

This has nothing to do with the west , the main obstacle on Arab alliance is political Islam . If you manage to execute all filthy Sunni and Shia clerks only then Arabs would be capable to unite.

 

[doritos]

This has nothing to do with the west , the main obstacle on Arab alliance is political Islam . If you manage to execute all filthy Sunni and Shia clerks only then Arabs would be capable to unite.

good idea

 

[fatman17]

arabs used to win wars before oil was discovered. they were a hard people - now with oil, they have become soft - the easy life. the money rolls in.

 

[mahatir]

Jews and Palestinians were in similar position. Palestinians had numeral advantage. From nov 1947 to april 1948 Jews were in very bad situation and could easy lose. But then they went to counter offensive which was very successful. And Jews would capture the entire Palestine with ease if Jordanians were not coming for rescue in may 1948.


When Syrian and Palestinian attack Jordanians u should remember they saved u. Jordanians had a small army compare to other Arab armies, but most effective.

Most Jewish Immigrants back then were battle hardened , disciplined and believed in their cause while palestinians were simply a band of various warlords without any leader or national army which lead to their humilating defeat at the hands of the better organized and disciplined Jews .

The palestinian only started adopting their nationality after 1967 war , before that they were simply a bunch of tribes and clans without a fixed structure.

 

[mahatir]

When you fight 4 wars for them, host 2 million of them and offer them passports and all citizens rights. When you employ all your abilities to defend them politically, and set up hospitals in their territories and send to them aids every while, and what you get in return is insults and accusations of treason, you will have no choice but to hate them.

The very same they did in Kuwait, Kuwait preferred Palestinian workers over others to help them, until their numbers reached 500 k (more than Kuwaiti citizens), and when Kuwait got invaded, they got down streets and chanted for the invaders. I Iraq, they collaborated with Saddam against Iraqis. In Lebanon, they tried to take it over, the same in Jordan. And after we chose to let it go, they wouldn't do so, they always attack you. It's not only about Hazzy but most of them are like this.

I've long feared a Palestinian with Hazzy's mindset here in PDF, because I know them and I knew they would bad mouth me and my country. No matter how much you sacrifice for them, they will always back-stab you in the back. However, when he came here I hoped nothing of this sort would happen, and I warned him several times but he brought it to himself my man. He got what he worked for.

The problem is not really about palestinains but more to do with MB palestinians , Just like Egyptian MBs , simply Islamists cannot integrate in any society whether in the West or Arab countries and they are always the first to backstab their host country for the sake of their organization or " jama3a " .

Most palestinians who bash Jordan are the descendants of those who got their asses kicked by Jordanian Army back in black september but the majority of average palestinians are loyal to Jordan , at least in what I saw in UAE , many of them regard themselves Jordanians rather than palestinians after it has become their homeland .

oh how cute, the Israeli came to help....


and in 1973 Egypt got back Sinai and then the Egypt stopped, thus it put all the pressure on Syria alone...

and you think Israel is fighting its own wars? there wouldn't be Israel if it wasn't for the west and their puppets in the region...

Jordan and Israel cooperated during Yom Kippur War, documents reveal - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz

Now Wikipedia provide the sources... so don't complain, source [11] is linked...

After the 1967 War and the adoption of UN Security Council Resolution 242, Gunnar Jarring was appointed by the UN as a special envoy for the Middle East peace process, leading the so-calledJarring Mission. Both Egypt and Israel responded to Jarring's proposals with support for a peace process, but the process did not move forward.[10] Egyptian president Anwar Sadat and Syrian president Hafez al-Assad met King Hussein in 1973 to discuss the possibility of war. Hussein, fearing another loss of territory to Israel, declined. Furthermore, Hussein was suspicious of Sadat's promise to PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat to hand over the West Bank to the Palestinians in the event of a victory, as he considered the West Bank to be Jordanian territory. On the night of 25 September, Hussein secretly flew to Tel Aviv to warn Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir of an impending Syrian attack. "Are (the Syrians) going to war without the Egyptians, asked Mrs. Meir. The king said he didn't think so. 'I think they [Egypt] would cooperate'".[11]
On 6 October 1973, Syria and Egypt attacked Israel without the aid of Jordan. A ceasefire was declared on 23 October, but fighting continued until January 1974. The Camp David Accords were signed by Egyptian President Anwar El Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin on 17 September 1978, after 14 months of diplomatic efforts by Egypt, Israel, and the United States.

Syrian Army was designed to protect regime from internal opposition but not for fighting proper conventional wars , that is why Israel raped syria several times before apart from the fact in Syria they recruit soldiers based on tribal and religious loyality rather than quality , you cannot really defeat israel with an army recruited solely from uneducated peasants and smugglers from the syrian coast aka the shabiha

 

[mahatir]

Israel had < 1% of their Army killed and < 2% wounded.
Equipment losses much higher.
With resupply, Israel could continue war for quite some time.

Israel had less than 1% killed and less than 2% wounded, so I think they were not exhausted
from a personell point of view.

Battle of Mansora is debated. What is clear is that
the Israeli Air Force was not able to continue according to plans for ground attacks.
Israeli and Egypt claims for air victories differ wildly. The story about one Egyptian pilot
saving the ejected Israeli Phantom pilot is a little strange considering the Phantom has two crew
members. Some Egyptians believe that Egyptian reports were doctored afterwards
to support Mubaraks reputation.

The Egyptian Air Force would have had more problems protecting the Third Army.

You are right that they could not sustain this loss rate for years, but I think they could have achieved
a decisive victory way before that.
Question is of course: Then What?

Dont think the Israelis would want to (could) occupy Egypt, so a likely result would be status quo,
Back to the Bar Lev line with Egyptian POW released after some time.

All in all, the end result is bettet.

Simply Israel would not afford to go for an attrition war with Egypt , Sadat was a moderate leader but had this war continued or the third army been attacked then the Israel forces would have been attacked with chemical weapons by Egyptian airforce on the spot , Sadat tried to be gentle on Israel in that war so that he could improve his ties with USA but had this not worked Israel could have not been able to continue fighting for decades .

The fear among Americans was that if Egyptians become radicalized then it would have had great repricussions on USA interests in middle east.

imagine if Egypt and Israel were at war until today with Iran and all the Islamist groups around , Israel army would have been stretched in countless fronts with missiles flying from Egypt into israel on daily bases along with attacks on your fleets by the Iranian revolutionary gaurds.

The peace with Egypt has allowed IDF to focus more on countering terrorism and investing in unconventional warefare techniques, had the war with Egypt continued till today then IDF would have had a hard time fighting both conventional and unconventional threats at the same time in addition to the burden that would have been on Israel economy.

Israel army is stronger than Egypt we agree on that but Israel could have not afforded to be at war with Egypt until today especially with Iran and Hezbollah around today .

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Simply Israel would not afford to go for an attrition war with Egypt , Sadat was a moderate leader but had this war continued or the third army been attacked then the Israel forces would have been attacked with chemical weapons by Egyptian airforce on the spot , Sadat tried to be gentle on Israel in that war so that he could improve his ties with USA but had this not worked Israel could have not been able to continue fighting for decades .

The fear among Americans was that if Egyptians become radicalized then it would have had great repricussions on USA interests in middle east.

imagine if Egypt and Israel were at war until today with Iran and all the Islamist groups around , Israel army would have been stretched in countless fronts with missiles flying from Egypt into israel on daily bases along with attacks on your fleets by the Iranian revolutionary gaurds.

The peace with Egypt has allowed IDF to focus more on countering terrorism and investing in unconventional warefare techniques, had the war with Egypt continued till today then IDF would have had a hard time fighting both conventional and unconventional threats at the same time in addition to the burden that would have been on Israel economy.

Israel army is stronger than Egypt we agree on that but Israel could have not afforded to be at war with Egypt until today especially with Iran and Hezbollah around today .

Noone can afford to be at hot war for prolongued periods. WWI broke the British Empire.

The time period between the 67 and 73 is probably how it would end up.
Continous skirmishes, but with a weak Egpt initially after the surrendering of the third army.
such a war would not be good for the economy, but maybe sustainable.
Israel is still at war with Syria, but Syria is busy with its internal conflict.

Don't think anyone would use chemical/nuclear weapons in such a fight,
unless the existance of the nation was in jeopardy.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Syrian Army was designed to protect regime from internal opposition but not for fighting proper conventional wars , that is why Israel raped syria several times before apart from the fact in Syria they recruit soldiers based on tribal and religious loyality rather than quality , you cannot really defeat israel with an army recruited solely from uneducated peasants and smugglers from the syrian coast aka the shabiha

oh be quiet, Syria's army is one of the best armies in the Arab world... and the Syrian army is prepared for front wars, not cities war... and your racism makes you blind, thus your information is useless, when you stop being racist I will take you seriously... and don't forget Syrian army is mostly composed of Sunnis...

 

[Falcon29]

@mahatir

Ya kalb someone like you needs another 60 years to become a man to talk about the resistance.

ولك انت لا تستطيع تتكلم عن شيخ المقاومة! طز فيك

ولك انت بدك سرمية نصرالله عا راسك

 

[Falcon29]

@mahatir

You gulfie nobody you should be kissing the sand you live on and thanking God everyday for the oil he blessed you with! Are you not able to comprehend!? Walak people from Saudi Arabia had to come teach you how to roast a lamb and you're coming here talking like you're above the world! One bomb will wipe out 40% of your island and you dare speak about the chief of the resistance you coward! You are a gulf cow with no honor! For people to find Arabs like you they have to search in the garbage dumps of our nations!

 

[doritos]

that is why Israel raped syria several times

Why are these insults on countries needed

Since Egypt also lost wars against Israel why don't you say Israel raped Egypt, or do you need Egypt so you won't disrespect them. What a trash personality if you are the same with people.

 

[e3nad3alek]

@mahatir

You gulfie nobody you should be kissing the sand you live on and thanking God everyday for the oil he blessed you with! Are you not able to comprehend!? Walak people from Saudi Arabia had to come teach you how to roast a lamb and you're coming here talking like you're above the world! One bomb will wipe out 40% of your island and you dare speak about the chief of the resistance you coward! You are a gulf cow with no honor! For people to find Arabs like you they have to search in the garbage dumps of our nations!

Who had to teach Saudis how to roast a lamb?

 

[Falcon29]

Why are these insults on countries needed

Since Egypt also lost wars against Israel why don't you say Israel raped Egypt, or do you need Egypt so you won't disrespect them. What a trash personality if you are the same with people.

The guy is so opposite of the guy he champion in his username....

 

[mahatir]

@mahatir

Ya kalb someone like you needs another 60 years to become a man to talk about the resistance.

ولك انت لا تستطيع تتكلم عن شيخ المقاومة! طز فيك

ولك انت بدك سرمية نصرالله عا راسك

what resistance clown , last time you tried to mess with Jordan your got fucked upside down .

@mahatir

You gulfie nobody you should be kissing the sand you live on and thanking God everyday for the oil he blessed you with! Are you not able to comprehend!? Walak people from Saudi Arabia had to come teach you how to roast a lamb and you're coming here talking like you're above the world! One bomb will wipe out 40% of your island and you dare speak about the chief of the resistance you coward! You are a gulf cow with no honor! For people to find Arabs like you they have to search in the garbage dumps of our nations!

The chief of the Resistance is currently fucking your people in Syria and killed more than 3000 of your species , good luck with that.

 

[doritos]

oh be quiet, Syria's army is one of the best armies in the Arab world... and the Syrian army is prepared for front wars, not cities war... and your racism makes you blind, thus your information is useless, when you stop being racist I will take you seriously... and don't forget Syrian army is mostly composed of Sunnis...

shouldn't they have added that STORA thing to counter ATGW