Why America Needs India's Rockets

[lonelyman]

Utter non sense. MOM uses Indian Deep Space Network for deep space communication & NASA facilities are used only in the non visibility period. The same with your Chang'e 3

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Helping_China_to_the_Moon

15 kg is enough to carry 7 scientific payloads. And should I tell you that Delta II, which is of the same class as India's GSLV Mark 2 got Spirit & Opportunity rovers to Mars.

Don't worry about our heavy launch capabilities, we will have the capability to launch 25 tonnes to LEO by 2020s. But worry about your Mars lander/rover as the failure rate of such missions are high & you're trying all of it in one go.



You understand 'science' ?



10 tonnes. That will be soon upgraded with the semi cryogenic stage.



Comparing a GTO launch to an LEO launch ?



This is a competitive market and we can do it at a lower cost.

So laughable,What deep space network do u have? Please show me. All instructions are sent by NASA Canberra Deep Space Network and relayed to ISRO. NASA also designed the trajectory for slingshots due to ur laughable rocket.

Your pride GSLV-3 lags behind China 20 years, check the link I gave for long march 3a.

ISRO official website lists LEO payload as 8t, soon to 10 t, haha in Indians time it's 10 years. You won't have heavy rockets until at least 2050. Until today u totally depend on French for communication satellites, that is a fact.

Our latest long march 5 LEO is 25t, next year we will start to use it to launch 60t space station and Chang e 5 for moon rock collection and return? Where are u guys?

Each payload 2kg? Are u at elementary school to conduct elementary test?

Don't bother replying the false flagger troll



I don't think his high IQ brain will be able to comprehend all of this

Total lie, show me where is Indian deep space network? You have 0 ,zilch that is a fact

 

[Echo_419]

So laughable,What deep space network do u have? Please show me. All instructions are sent by NASA Canberra Deep Space Network and relayed to ISRO. NASA also designed the trajectory for slingshots due to ur laughable rocket.

Your pride GSLV-3 lags behind China 20 years, check the link I gave for long march 3a.

ISRO official website lists LEO payload as 8t, soon to 10 t, haha in Indians time it's 10 years. You won't have heavy rockets until at least 2050. Until today u totally depend on French for communication satellites, that is a fact.

Each payload 2kg? Are u at elementary school to conduct elementary test?


Total lie, show me where is Indian deep space network? You have 0 ,zilch that is a fact

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Deep_Space_Network

Don't forget that you also use NASA's deep space network from time to time

 

[gslv mk3]

So laughable,What deep space network do u have?

Educate yourself, you moron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Deep_Space_Network

NASA also designed the trajectory for slingshots due to ur laughable rocket.

Who told you that ? Chief CCP propagandist ? Don't come up with such dumb arguments.

ISRO official website lists LEO payload as 8t, soon to 10 t, haha

LEO is an ambiguous definition doofus, there are several orbits classified as LEO.

Indians time it's 10 years. You won't have heavy rockets until at least 2050.

Anything that floats your made-in-China boat.

Each payload 2kg? Are u at elementary school to conduct elementary test?

2 kg is more than enough. What year is this ?

Total lie, show me where is Indian deep space network? You have 0 ,zilch that is a fact

http://www.vssc.gov.in/VSSC_V4/inde...ndrayaan-1/967-indian-deep-space-network-idsn

 

[lonelyman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Deep_Space_Network

Don't forget that you also use NASA's deep space network from time to time

No, by law NASA does not collaborate with us.

 

[Dungeness]

Please educate me, what does USA need India for? They can send 10 small satellites in one go, right?

Up to today, you still rely on foreigners to launch your communication satellites. Your pride GSLV-3 LEO payload is only 8t, our Long March 3A with 8.5t LEO payload first launch was 1994, 22 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March_3A

Your next payload (planned Jan 2017) on GSLV-3 is only 3.5t, while tomorrow our Long March 5 with LEO payload 25t will have a maiden launch.

India can fit lots of nano satellites on their PSLV rockets, a matured low cost rocket. It is a niche market that ISRO has successfully explored. It is the market the new low cost Chinese rocket KZ-11 is targeting. Good for them.

 

[gslv mk3]

No, by law NASA does not collaborate with us.

ESA does.

 

[lonelyman]

Educate yourself, you moron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Deep_Space_Network

http://www.vssc.gov.in/VSSC_V4/inde...ndrayaan-1/967-indian-deep-space-network-idsn

Call it whatever u want, your thing does not reach Mars, all instructions are sent by NASA Canberra Deep Space Network and relayed to ISRO. that is a fact

 

[gslv mk3]

Call it whatever u want, your thing does not reach Mars, all instructions are sent by NASA Canberra Deep Space Network and relayed to ISRO.

Another laughable claim. Provide one source.

As for China relying on other deep space networks- http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Helping_China_to_the_Moon

 

[lonelyman]

India can fit lots of nano satellites on their PSLV rockets, a matured low cost rocket. It is a niche market that ISRO has successfully explored. It is the market the new low cost Chinese rocket KZ-11 is targeting. Good for them.

Not gonna happen, USA forbids using our rocket with any American components, it's a hassle for satellite manufacturers to bypass this, it's possible but it's a hassle. That's why our long march lost international market even with excellent records and competitive price

Another laughable claim. Provide one source.

As for China relying on other deep space networks- http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Helping_China_to_the_Moon

Ur own ISRO official said this, a simple google search will do

 

[Dungeness]

Not gonna happen, USA forbids using our rocket with any American components, it's a hassle for satellite manufacturers to bypass this, it's possible but it's a hassle. That's why our long march lost international market even with excellent records and competitive price

You are right. Chinese space institutes have plenty of funding, and they have lots of own satellites to launch. They would not bother those pocket change, and they certainly are not in a "bean counting" or "potato counting" game.

 

[gslv mk3]

Ur own ISRO official said this, a simple google search will do

Typical Chinese propaganda BS. ISRO uses JPL's deep space network only at non visibility periods.

 

[lonelyman]

Typical Chinese propaganda BS. ISRO uses JPL's deep space network only at non visibility periods.

https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-NASA-help-ISROs-MoM

The officials at ISRO had mentioned that all the data was first transmitted to the Canberra Deep Space Network (NASA's communication platform) and then it was sent to the Indian Space Science Data Center.

Apart from providing the comm link they also assisted with the trajectory design so that the spacecraft would travel as intended.

This heman guy works for ISRO, you know more than him?


http://www.cdscc.nasa.gov/Pages/Archive/MVN_MOM_MOI/MVNMOM_MOIs.html

For India's Mars Orbiter Mission and watching events unfold were the Deputy High Commissioner of India, Mr Surinder Kumar Datta and First Secretary, Mr Tanur Kumar who were invited into CDSCC's main operations control room at the moment that the signal from the MOM spacecraft was being captured by the Complex's 70-metre antenna dish, Deep Space Station 43.

Educate yourself, you moron.

Who told you that ? Chief CCP propagandist ? Don't come up with such dumb arguments.
http://www.vssc.gov.in/VSSC_V4/inde...ndrayaan-1/967-indian-deep-space-network-idsn

 

[gslv mk3]

https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-NASA-help-ISROs-MoM

The officials at ISRO had mentioned that all the data was first transmitted to the Canberra Deep Space Network (NASA's communication platform) and then it was sent to the Indian Space Science Data Center.

Apart from providing the comm link they also assisted with the trajectory design so that the spacecraft would travel as intended.

This heman guy works for ISRO, you know more than him?


http://www.cdscc.nasa.gov/Pages/Archive/MVN_MOM_MOI/MVNMOM_MOIs.html

For India's Mars Orbiter Mission and watching events unfold were the Deputy High Commissioner of India, Mr Surinder Kumar Datta and First Secretary, Mr Tanur Kumar who were invited into CDSCC's main operations control room at the moment that the signal from the MOM spacecraft was being captured by the Complex's 70-metre antenna dish, Deep Space Station 43.

Doofus, there is something called Non-visibility period. Read up.

Operational communications between a control centre and a spacecraft are realised through a ground station. Indian Deep Space Network station (IDSN 32) located in Byalalu, Bangalore, was established with a view to meeting not only the requirements of Chandrayaan-1 mission but also ISRO’s future missions to Mercury, Venus and up to Mars. The hallmark of IDSN facility is the 32 m dia Beam Wave Guide (BWG) antenna, with state-of-the-art technology,that had been indigenously designed, developed and installed to support all future deep space missions of ISRO.

To manage a deep space mission round the clock, at least two ground stations, one locatedin the eastern and the other in the western hemispheres are required. Ground support fromJPL, NASA, stations is envisaged to complement the efforts of IDSN

In the ground segment, the Mars Orbiter Mission was supported by ISTRAC for the spacecraft operations like Telemetry, Tracking and Command. The Spacecraft Control Centre (SCC) in Mission Operation Complex (MOX), Indian Deep Space Network (IDSN) and the Indian Space Science Data Centre (ISSDC) belonging to ISTRAC played key roles in extending the mission operation support for MOM.
To facilitate tracking and command uplinking during non-visibility periods of ISTRAC stations, the Deep Space Network (DSN)of Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) / NASA of USA was also contracted. DSN stations of
NASA were also used for critical Delta Differential One-way Ranging (DDOR) operations
periodically for the precise orbit determination.

Continuous monitoring of the spacecraft from launch to MOI and operations using both Indian Deep Space Station at Bylalu, Bangalore, and JPL DSNs had to be ensured. Establishing real-time communication link between ISRO and JPL for coordinated critical operations and managing multiple ISDN links had been a real challenge for the computers team.

Telemetry, Tracking and Command (TT&C) support for MOM was provided from JPL stations at Goldstone, Canberra and Madrid by means of CCSDS Space Link Extension (SLE) service interfaces.

~Subbiah Arunan ,the Project Director for the Mars Orbiter Mission

 

[Nilgiri]

Jeez another trollfest. Sigh.

 

[lonelyman]

Doofus, there is something called Non-visibility period. Read up.

Operational communications between a control centre and a spacecraft are realised through a ground station. Indian Deep Space Network station (IDSN 32) located in Byalalu, Bangalore, was established with a view to meeting not only the requirements of Chandrayaan-1 mission but also ISRO’s future missions to Mercury, Venus and up to Mars. The hallmark of IDSN facility is the 32 m dia Beam Wave Guide (BWG) antenna, with state-of-the-art technology,that had been indigenously designed, developed and installed to support all future deep space missions of ISRO.

To manage a deep space mission round the clock, at least two ground stations, one locatedin the eastern and the other in the western hemispheres are required. Ground support fromJPL, NASA, stations is envisaged to complement the efforts of IDSN

In the ground segment, the Mars Orbiter Mission was supported by ISTRAC for the spacecraft operations like Telemetry, Tracking and Command. The Spacecraft Control Centre (SCC) in Mission Operation Complex (MOX), Indian Deep Space Network (IDSN) and the Indian Space Science Data Centre (ISSDC) belonging to ISTRAC played key roles in extending the mission operation support for MOM.
To facilitate tracking and command uplinking during non-visibility periods of ISTRAC stations, the Deep Space Network (DSN)of Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) / NASA of USA was also contracted. DSN stations of
NASA were also used for critical Delta Differential One-way Ranging (DDOR) operations
periodically for the precise orbit determination.

Continuous monitoring of the spacecraft from launch to MOI and operations using both Indian Deep Space Station at Bylalu, Bangalore, and JPL DSNs had to be ensured. Establishing real-time communication link between ISRO and JPL for coordinated critical operations and managing multiple ISDN links had been a real challenge for the computers team.

Telemetry, Tracking and Command (TT&C) support for MOM was provided from JPL stations at Goldstone, Canberra and Madrid by means of CCSDS Space Link Extension (SLE) service interfaces.

~Subbiah Arunan ,the Project Director for the Mars Orbiter Mission

Yeah, given u only have one 32 m antenna in your own country, 23 out of 24 hours are invisible and who knows even if it works or not