Whose ideology is it anyway?

[Truth Teller]

Chill bro and don't get defensive. It was said with the best of intentions.

You said this with the best of intentions?

but I at a personal level would be even ready for a national policy of repatriation should Pakistan implode and the sane minority need refuge.

 

[angeldust]

You said this with the best of intentions?

Yes I did. Why do you find it offensive if someone makes space in his home and heart for you even after decades of hatred and bloodshed? Each of us has been given a finite amount of time on this earth my friend. I intend to use it loving instead of hating.

 

[Developereo]

Pagan culture? Persia (Iran) was the cradle of the world's oldest montheistic religions my friend.

Sorry, I used 'pagan' as shorthand for non-Abrahamic religion. Didn't mean anything derogatory by it.

 

[Developereo]

All one needs to do to fool the gora mentality slaves of Pakistan is to use some difficult to pronounce words in English and viola... the pied piper leads the rats to the sea!!!

I must admit this is one of the reasons I don't respect Nadeem Paracha. His use of needlessly obtuse language, used almost haphazardly like peppering a condiment, is annoying and reminiscent of schoolboy antics. We used to throw in big words from a thesaurus back in college just to make our assignments sound more important.

It also shows that NFP, like many elitist liberals, are not interested in finding consensus or even communicating with the Pakistani public at large. They write, not for the Urdu-speaking unwashed masses whom they despise, but for a select English-speaking audience who measure their 'progressiveness' by how well they mimic the West and, thereby, differentiate themselves from the lower classes.

This is the tragedy of Pakistan. The only people who talk to the poor masses are the Islamists, since most liberals can't be bothered to do something so crass as actually write in Urdu, and then the liberals complain that the masses aren't listening to them.

 

[Developereo]

Assalam O alaikum, Well patriotism well its hard to find in elite of Pakistan. The only people who are sincere to Pakistan are people who are worried about their bread and butter. People who are giving their sweat and blood to this land loves this land. The elites have no interest in Pakistan so how would you expect patriotism from such people, and the worst thing is that these elite driving the nations mind, they are open in saying things like Pakistan has no future, it cant survive and no one speaks up. Isnt this should be taken as traitors of nation??????? but no who will take this action Cheif Justice, ???? Army??? Politicians??? None of them will take this action so its only come to Patriots of Pakistan.

Although I do not agree with the specific examples you gave, I agree with the general tone of your post that the elite all have foreign assets and foreign passports and a backup plan. It should be an absolute requirement that no high level government offficial can have foreign assets or foreign passport. Anybody who wants to serve Pakistan should be 100% committed to the country.

 

[forcetrip]

Although I do not agree with the specific examples you gave, I agree with the general tone of your post that the elite all have foreign assets and foreign passports and a backup plan. It should be an absolute requirement that no high level government offficial can have foreign assets or foreign passport. Anybody who wants to serve Pakistan should be 100% committed to the country.

And how will that be done? More than half our skilled labor is working abroad and are happy with that. Most of them come on forums and dislike the situation in Pakistan and blame Foreign agents and Global Crusades against the nation and religion. Does anyone understand that sending remittances from abroad are not going to solve the country's problem but prolong the agony. Keep developing these countries and send your pennies here. Time to start thinking the other direction and have some vision, otherwise all these strong words about these so called unfair nations will continue to flourish and prosper with your hard work to be congratulated, by the very hand that feeds you.

 

[Developereo]

And how will that be done? More than half our skilled labor is working abroad and are happy with that. Most of them come on forums and dislike the situation in Pakistan and blame Foreign agents and Global Crusades against the nation and religion. Does anyone understand that sending remittances from abroad are not going to solve the country's problem but prolong the agony. Keep developing these countries and send your pennies here. Time to start thinking the other direction and have some vision, otherwise all these strong words about these so called unfair nations will continue to flourish and prosper with your hard work to be congratulated, by the very hand that feeds you.

I was talking about senior government officials: members of Parliament and the President, etc must give up their foreign passports and foreign bank accounts.

As far as developing Pakistan, everybody has a role to play. Expats provide foreign exchange, FDI and, possibly, foreign training. Local Pakistanis provide on-site management and work.

 

[forcetrip]

Everything these people own in this country is disposable, why would they give up their foreign passports? If push comes to shove it would be the other passport burning while they pack their bags.

If you feel that expats are progressing the country by giving it money then that's the role you have chosen for those people.

 

[pak-marine]

This is the tragedy of Pakistan. The only people who talk to the poor masses are the Islamists, since most liberals can't be bothered to do something so crass as actually write in Urdu, and then the liberals complain that the masses aren't listening to them.

SPOT ON ... one can notice a huge difference btw english and urdu publications , for those who can read urdu just open todays jang and you will notice typical columnist whereas the english media is so liberal they are both totally opposite ... i have once asked the same question to cowasjee and NFP and reply was prompt and almost the same , its upto the urdu news papers discretion to publish their articles its not their decision nor they are afraid. I just realised we are talking to our selves , this is a serious case of miscommunication

 

[Solomon2]

- needlessly obtuse language, used almost haphazardly like peppering a condiment

What an excellent simile! Still, is it too much to ask you to tolerate writers not as gifted as you, or failing that, seek to write op-ed columns yourself?

 

[rubyjackass]

You guys do realize that when there was talk of partition - Jinnah wanted Muslim majority provinces to form Pakistan - he did not want only Muslim parts of those provinces i.e. he expected whole of Punjab (East & West) and whole of Bengal (East & West) . If that had happened, Pakistan would probably still be secular because you would have a very sizable minority.

BS. Pakistan did have sizable minority. East Bengal had a good percentage of Hindus almost 10%. This is after the large scale migration post-partition.

 

[angeldust]

And how will that be done? More than half our skilled labor is working abroad and are happy with that. Most of them come on forums and dislike the situation in Pakistan and blame Foreign agents and Global Crusades against the nation and religion. Does anyone understand that sending remittances from abroad are not going to solve the country's problem but prolong the agony. Keep developing these countries and send your pennies here. Time to start thinking the other direction and have some vision, otherwise all these strong words about these so called unfair nations will continue to flourish and prosper with your hard work to be congratulated, by the very hand that feeds you.

I agree with forcetrip here. It may be a chicken and the egg sort of situation, and is not very different impact-wise (if not etiology) to the brain drain suffered by India in the 70s and 80s up until even the early to mid 90s. But in a situation like what Pakistan is facing today, money coming home from expats really pales in significance to the actual national social value of the expats themselves. And their future generations. Were they to have remained home. Nobody can deny that the numbers are significant. As would be the impact on nation re-building. It would be truly ivory tower utopianism to expect those having stayed behind to first sanitize the country before the expats start returning to re-build it. In an existential struggle as Pakistan finds itself in today, the remittances home from expats would pale in significance to the billions of dollars coming in from the Western stakeholders of Pakistan today anyway. That each of those dollars comes with a string attached, being pulled by puppeteers across the oceans, is a fact that Pakistan will have to live with for the time being, while it excoriates the more pressing cancer from within.

 

[Zibago]

qaudeazam was sindhi sowas zab and zulfiqar mirza and marvi memon and asif ali zardari i could go on he is crazy

 

[hotaki]

Our ideology, i believe it differs for some Pakistanis for me the ideology is that Pakistan existed before 1947 in one way or the other.

My ancestors are central Asian and they helped liberate those Muslims and non muslims who were being persecuted for their beliefs and constantly living in the fear of Hindus.

My history is thousand of years old but on the sub continent it starts off with ghaznavi, we came we liberated and gave people freedom and security.

We fought for glory of Allah and he rewarded us with great victories and great wealth, when our opponents lost they try to change history and label as barbarians.

We treated land up to lahore as ours and gave all we could to make the locals feel safe and opportunity to achieve what they wanted.

My ideology starts from ghaznavi to allama iqbal and religion is the pillar of my ideology for with out us our religion is weak and without our religion we are weak, its a shame people blame religion for personal failures.