Who's to blame for Pakistan's 1971 Debacle?

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

BD is the most successful RAW ops - B Raman, Former Deputy Chief of RAW in his autobiography

The break-up of Pak (West vs East) was a policy statement from Lord Mountbatten, the last Viceroy of the British India at the time of the birth of Pak. His publicly stated time-frame was 25 years. And, this decision by the Imperialists, whose ultimate BOSS is ISRAIL (whose Lord is Iblis the Cursed), was implemented in verbatim....

The rest are all actors who did their jobs as per the Murad-i Ilahi....

Ve Khairihi ve Sherrihi Minnallahi Tevala - Both good (Khair) and evil (Sher) are under the Irade of Allah-u Azimushshan. Only in good is HIS RIZA...

Supporting the break-up of Pak is to support Iblis (the proper name of Satan, Devil, Lucifer etc.) and his worshippers among men and Jinn....

Allah Kahr etsin....

 

[Imran Khan]

Allah Jo kerta hai thek kerta hai. Whoever he was, he was a great thinker and did a great favour to Pakistan. Bangladeshis are ever changing, thankless people, who will murder their mom for not giving them food.

BD people are same - the same way they slaughtered mujeeb and his family including women and kids . this is how they were thankful of their founding father . just 45 months after he give them independence .

 

[Baibars_1260]

If anything our choice to let's say give it to the Hindus ensured Bangladeshi independence from India as a Muslim majority independent state

The targeting of the Hindu population ensured millions of them ran to India or were unavailable

Once they were out they never came back and Bangladesh had a majority muslim population of almost 90%

Actually with the climate change and population density ( 1000+ / km^2) as the land mass shrinks from river erosion and rising seas there will be a massive population displacement into India. Which is why India has fenced off Bangladesh making it into a giant waterlogged prison. Bangladesh is a political and geographical nightmare, a vast alluvial delta clay patch densely populated, almost completely encircled by a Hindu majority behemoth that has now turned to extreme religious fundamentalism. If we had to defend that territory today our defense in the West would have been seriously compromised
.We would likely have been forced into a "peace treaty " giving up our claims to Kashmir and ensuring the security and status of that territory. Something akin to what Egypt did with Israel over Sinai. To secure its chicken neck India would have demanded a demilitarized territory. .

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

One must read the full "HAMOODUR RAHMAN COMMISSION REPORT " as it identifies in detail the the culprits . This report also gives the reasons and the ways forward to stop such debacles in future. Till to date we have not addressed any of its recommendations and unfortunately we have not learned any lessons.

 

[Figaro]

From a purely tactical perspective, Pakistan's hold on Bangladesh was doomed from the very beginning. Even without internal Bengali strife, India would have invaded and encircled East Pakistan. Simply put it, Bangladesh is a much larger Goa ... completely isolated and cutoff from Islamabad. So this "debacle" was going to occur no matter what.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This -

Bangladesh is a much larger Goa

Excellant analogy.

 

[Trango Towers]

Bhutto is the architect of Pak-China friendship when your generals where sitting in American lap & quite happy there, he had predicted during the Cold War period that a third power centre will emerge from the developing world & that country will be China , he made a case for friendship with China as foreign minister & you are reaping its benefits today. He is also the one who showed political will to build nuke because India did, your generals had agreed to shelve it on American pressure but Bhutto continued it, he was not some army rubber stamp like your current PM Imran Khan, he was highly educated and man with vision. Today the two main trump card for you against India is nuclear capability & Chinese friendship.

They way you are talking Bhutto is the only one your worship. That asshole lost East Pakistan and you talk of an agreement with china.

 

[Baibars_1260]

From a purely tactical perspective, Pakistan's hold on Bangladesh was doomed from the very beginning. Even without internal Bengali strife, India would have invaded and encircled East Pakistan. Simply put it, Bangladesh is a much larger Goa ... completely isolated and cutoff from Islamabad. So this "debacle" was going to occur no matter what.

Of course! Only we should have realized that in 1947 or at least in the mid 1950s when the language issue picked up steam.
Defending that territory with its logistics and geography is bad enough, a hostile ethno-linguistic separatist population gave us a situation made in hell ! . We should have booted the territory out in 1953.
The biggest folly is calling for unity and Muslim brotherhood. Its not going to happen. Those who are calling for this wish to put Pakistan in exactly the hostage situation we wrestled with from 1947 to 1971.
If we had any sense we would have quit East Pakistan with honor just as Britain quit Hong Kong.
Are we to be like Indian Muslims who will be crying over the Babri Masjid for the next 200 years? If there are any Muslims left in India by then.
Let's move on.
If the Bangladeshis have any sense they can avoid a catastrophe by merging with India.

 

[lightoftruth]

One can argue that if their had been enough Bengalis in then West Pakistan even West Pakistan would have been broken up.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Bengali were traitor's who should never be forgotten

Get out of this emotional mentality.

Bengalis did what was best for their interests, just as what we would have done if the roles were reversed.

East/West Pakistan was never feasible in the first place, my only regret is that the separation should have been done peacefully.

 

[Baibars_1260]

One can argue that if their had been enough Bengalis in then West Pakistan even West Pakistan would have been broken up.

Which might happen in the next 50 years because Muslim Bengalis ( as distinct from Bengalis ) will have to find geographical space and will look to their former oppressors for accommodation.
This is not as far fetched as it sounds .
Example:
Maldives has already asked Australia for land once their country goes underwater and are negotiating a financial settlement.
Bangladesh might be compelled make a similar offer to Pakistan for accommodation in Sindh or Baluchistan.
There is a reason why there is sudden talk of the non-existent "Ummah".
Sometimes Pakistanis turn out as the most emotional people on earth. We should think with our heads always and we usually do.
General Niazi thought with his head. He and everyone under him went home. The Kashmir problem remained and Bangladesh was cut out of the deal. Pakistan facing the Soviet threat and WOT has survived. We also revived our armed forces restoring their morale, and arming them with the weapons of mass destruction.
There will never be a Bangladesh again. Our enemies know it.
Our Bangladeshi friends should face reality and move on.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Many in Pakistan are quick to blame Pak military for what led to the creation of Bangladesh. But BBC's Owen Bennet Jones has detailed #Bhutto's role in getting Pakistan in 1965 & 1971 wars to blame & weaken PakistanArmy for his own political ambitions.

Is This a 1971 Moment in Pakistan's History?

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It can be reasonably argued that Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was a key architect of the tragic events that unfolded in 1971. Many analysts agree with late Governor Salman Taseer of the PPP who said that "the lion's share of the blame" for 1971 goes to Mr. Bhutto. Here's what Mr. Taseer wrote in his book "Bhutto: A Political Biography":

"Blame can never be satisfactorily or finally apportioned to the major players in this grisly drama, but that Bhutto, Mujibur Rahman and Yahya Khan share responsibility there can be no doubt. Many, indeed, are inclined to the view that Bhutto, as the most sure-footed politician of the three and thus the best equipped to assess the consequences of his actions, must accept the lion's share of the blame. Argument on this point will remain one of the central themes of Pakistani politics, perhaps for decades."

A number of actions and pronouncements by Mr. Bhutto support Gov Taseer's conclusion. Some of these are:

1. While the rest of the political parties winning two-thirds of the National Assembly seats agreed to attend the 1971 post-election session in Dacca, Mr. Bhutto refused to do so.

2. Not only did Mr. Bhutto announce his PPP's boycott of the assembly, he also threatened to "break the legs" of any one from West Pakistan who agreed to attend.

3. Mr. Bhutto urged the military to act against Shaikh Mujib-ur-Rahman's Awami Leage which had absolute majority in the National Assembly elected in 1971.

4. After General Yahya Khan was persuaded by Bhutto to act against the Awami League, Mr. Bhutto welcomed the army operation in East Pakistan by saying "Thank God, Pakistan is saved" on the day the military started its action in East Pakistan....knowing full well that it would invite an Indian invasion as it did.

5. There was wide support for a Polish ceasefire resolution in the UN Security Council to end the 1971 India-Pakistan war before Dhaka fell. But Mr. Bhutto, as General Yahya Khan's special envoy, refused to go along and walked out of the UN meeting.

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This has been discussed literally a million times before..........

 

[Trango Towers]

Men fight and lay down their lives for land. Yet no one really owns the land. Men die and the land remains. No one remembers their sacrifice really. Maybe once in a blue moon. Maybe a mother or a son or daughter but 1 generation later and no one cares.

I wonder why can't we all just get on

 

[Silverblaze]

Cant blame bhutto all the time. Bhutto's emergence was unfortunate. He should either have been killed by ayub khan when he launched a protest or sent abroad.

But there were other factors.

Yahya khan was given a funeral with full military honors despite his miserable role.

Mujeeb was convicted of agartala conspiracy and not hanged. When he won, the military was not in the mood to share power.

The way East pakistan separated weakened pakistan greatly.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Men fight and lay down their lives for land. Yet no one really owns the land. Men die and the land remains. No one remembers their sacrifice really. Maybe once in a blue moon. Maybe a mother or a son or daughter but 1 generation later and no one cares.

I wonder why can't we all just get on

We should remember their sacrifices and their dedication, today , and not ridicule them.
The least we can do here on this forum is not to give space to those who every year on this day use the occasion to insult and demean our nation and our armed forces.
We should come down heavily on these "guests" on this forum and silence them.

Cant blame bhutto all the time. Bhutto's emergence was unfortunate. He should either have been killed by ayub khan when he launched a protest or sent abroad.

But there were other factors.

Yahya khan was given a funeral with full military honors despite his miserable role.

Mujeeb was convicted of agartala conspiracy and not hanged. When he won, the military was not in the mood to share power.

The way East pakistan separated weakened pakistan greatly.

Old proverb:
The stick that doesn't break your back straightens it.
We are better off ! All three players in the sorry saga of the birth of that entity met violent horrific ends;
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- Mujeeb, assassinated in 1975
- Bhutto hung in 1978
- Indira Gandhi, assassinated in 1984.

Remarkably of the three the one who is reviled, ridiculed , and laughed at is Mrs. Indira Gandhi whose son also got blown to bits and one son nosedived his plane into the ground.

Isn't there the ancient philosophy of Karma ?