Who Was The Best Fighter Pilot Ever ?

[batmannow]

even by today's standards, the thrust-weight ratio on those bad-boys is impressive.

I think that as technology for Aircrafts becomes more advanced, the art of flying (especially combat flying) is being lost.

Everything now is fly-by-wire, BVR, and ECM.


In those days, things were hydraulic. Pilots made calculations in their head when the compass/altimeter etc. were giving incorrect readings.....the operational range of aircrafts were limited to no more than 230-400 miles depending on whether aux tanks were jettisoned. A lot of the dog-fights were taking place at around 200 feet AGL to 2000 feet. Quick thinking and reflexes were most crucial (as they are, of course, today).

Those were real combat.


PAF is awake and aware to the changing realities, and the modernization program is commendable, as we have entered and familiarized ourself with the 4th and 4.5 gen. technology. For that, we salute them.


But learning more and more about the historic battles and the equipments and capabilities of those days, I can't help but feel nostalgic.



And I'm only 25.

& i belive you , will be a shining star,soon in the future for pakistan!

 

[Muradk]

Rafique was an excellent pilot according to several PAF Pilots including Sir Muradk.Sir Murad is huge fan of Rafaique :p.If i am not wrong Sir Murad was very very young pilot when Rafique was KIA.

Like I said PAF has produced one of the best fighter pilots in the world , Rafique SB was such an example. Outstanding Officer and a TOP GUN what he did that day became an example, He took fire to save
C Chaudhry and for him to get a kill without thinking twice. When he told Cecil to take over he knew he is going to die to save his friends life he gave his.
He should have been given a Nishan-e-Haider but it doesn't matter he is above that his name will live for ever and ever, Such men don't die.

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PAF scored its first victories when Squadron Leader Sarfraz Rafiqui and Flight Lieutenant Imtiaz Bhatti shot down two Vampires each who were attacking Pakistani troops in Chamb

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[Abu Zolfiqar]

what about F.S. Hussein ---who was known as a VERY daring and talented acrobatic and combat pilot.

 

[sonicboom]

Yes F-104 was a terror to Indian Pilots.. On a TV programe I heard A/C Imtiaz Bhatti telling that in 1965 war upon seeing 104 a sikh pilot said " Phajj oyeee 104 eee..."

There may be one of following incidents when sihk pilot said:

1) Indian Strike over sargodha, When FLT LT Amjad fought with 7 indian jets shot two of them and remaining ran away.

2) When an Indian Knat was forced to land at Pasrur airfield and Hakim ullah sb kept circling over it.

Dreamer, I have 2 questions if you please can answer for me as follows:

I know one of the pilot’s shot down by Flight Lt. Amjad Hussain khan in 1965 war was Squadron Leader A. B. Devayya of No.1 Squadron of IAF while flying a Mystere IVA and was killed.

1. Do you know who was the 2nd pilot and type of aircraft shot down by Flight Lt. Amjad Hussain Khan as I have not able to find anywhere?

According to PAF version, debris from the exploding Mystere struck the Starfighter, and Amjad was forced to eject at low altitude. However Indian claim is different than the PAF version and Sq Leader Devayya was credited with shooting down Flt Lt Amjad Hussain’s F-104 and was awarded the highest Indian medal of bravery. I remember somewhere reading that PAF has also accepted the fact that Flt Lt Amjad’s plane was indeed shot down and not struck by the debris.

2. Has the PAF version changed since that?



More victories and losses of F-104 both in 1965 and 19771 wars (PAF version):

1965 War

September 6, Flight Lt. Aftab Alam Khan, downed one Dassault Mystere IVA fighter-bomber with a Sidewinder at an altitude of 5,000 feet and damaged a second.

September 21, Flying Officer Jamal A. Khan, scored a solid Sidewinder hit on an Indian Canberra at 33,000 feet over Fazilka. The Indian navigator was killed, but the pilot, Flight Lt. M.M. Lowe, bailed out and was taken prisoner.

1971War

December 5, during an attack on a radar installation at Amritsar, Flight Lt. Amjad Hussain Khan was once again shot down this time by anti-aircraft fire and he ejected from his F-104 and was taken prisoner. He is the only pilot who had to bail out both in 1965 and 1971 wars.

December 10, Wing Commander Arif Iqbal scored a victory during a raid on Okha Harbor when he downed a land-based Breguet Alize turboprop anti-submarine patrol plane of the Indian Navy over the Gulf of Kutch.

December 12, a pair of F-104A s tried to strafe the Indian airfield at Jamnagar and themselves were attacked by two Mig-21FLs of No. 47 Squadron, IAF. Flight Lt. Bharat Bhushan Soni in pursuit. fired three bursts from his GSh-23 cannon and shot down one of the F-104’s. The Wing Comdr. Merven Middlecoat, a decorated veteran of the 1965 war, ejected in the Arabia Sea but was never found.

December 17, when No. 9 Squadron's Starfighters clashed with Mig-21s of No. 29 Squadron, IAF over Umarkot. Flight Lt. A. Datta blew the tail of F-104 piloted by Flight Lt. Samad Ali Changezi and hence killing him.

 

[Muradk]

what about F.S. Hussein ---who was known as a VERY daring and talented acrobatic and combat pilot.

You mean Retd Air Cdre F S Hussain not Hussein joined 1949 died April 7th 1969.


On 15th August 1950, an air display was held in aid of the RPAF benevolent fund. Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan, after reviewing the squadrons, addressed the officers and men of the RPAF, telling them that he was glad to record that not only expansion of the forces but a very great advance in technical efficiency had also been made. About 150,000 people witnessed the air display (the first of its kind in the capital) described by experts as a demonstration of the highest order; precision bombing, rocketry and supply dropping were highly appreciated. The spectators were amazed to see Bristol Freighters disgorging their 28,000 lbs. of supplies, including 3 jeeps and 30 soldiers each, in less than three minutes. The best item on the programme was an aerobatics display in a Fury fighter Piloted by Flight Lieutenant F S Hussain. An unfortunate incident during the same display was a crash in which Pilot Officer Akther Hussain lost his life.

 

[SeaGull]

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[Jabar 1]

You mean Retd Air Cdre F S Hussain not Hussein joined 1949 died April 7th 1969.


On 15th August 1950, an air display was held in aid of the RPAF benevolent fund. Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan, after reviewing the squadrons, addressed the officers and men of the RPAF, telling them that he was glad to record that not only expansion of the forces but a very great advance in technical efficiency had also been made. About 150,000 people witnessed the air display (the first of its kind in the capital) described by experts as a demonstration of the highest order; precision bombing, rocketry and supply dropping were highly appreciated. The spectators were amazed to see Bristol Freighters disgorging their 28,000 lbs. of supplies, including 3 jeeps and 30 soldiers each, in less than three minutes. The best item on the programme was an aerobatics display in a Fury fighter Piloted by Flight Lieutenant F S Hussain. An unfortunate incident during the same display was a crash in which Pilot Officer Akther Hussain lost his life.

The British take pride in breaking records but there are couple of records which PAF broke which they have tried and haven't broken.

FS Hussian record of Air to Ground still stands high.
32 Sabers doing a loop.
Fastest kill MM Alam.
Group Captain Douglas Bader in WWII his record was broken in 1986 by PAF.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You mean Retd Air Cdre F S Hussain not Hussein joined 1949 died April 7th 1969.


On 15th August 1950, an air display was held in aid of the RPAF benevolent fund. Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan, after reviewing the squadrons, addressed the officers and men of the RPAF, telling them that he was glad to record that not only expansion of the forces but a very great advance in technical efficiency had also been made. About 150,000 people witnessed the air display (the first of its kind in the capital) described by experts as a demonstration of the highest order; precision bombing, rocketry and supply dropping were highly appreciated. The spectators were amazed to see Bristol Freighters disgorging their 28,000 lbs. of supplies, including 3 jeeps and 30 soldiers each, in less than three minutes. The best item on the programme was an aerobatics display in a Fury fighter Piloted by Flight Lieutenant F S Hussain. An unfortunate incident during the same display was a crash in which Pilot Officer Akther Hussain lost his life.

Thank you dear sir. Yes I meant retired Air Cdre.

I heard that he always used to steal the show and was highly highly respected as a pilot and as a human.

As the first young Flying Officer, he created the Commonwealth Air-to-Air Gunnery record at the Royal Air Force Central Gunnery School in August 1948

The British take pride in breaking records but there are couple of records which PAF broke which they have tried and haven't broken.

FS Hussian record of Air to Ground still stands high.
32 Sabers doing a loop.
Fastest kill MM Alam.
Group Captain Douglas Bader in WWII his record was broken in 1986 by PAF.

that's correct

the first world aviation record we broke on February 1958 - was during an Air Power and acrobatics demonstration when King Zahir Shah visited Pakistan. I believe there were 16 Sabres (the 'Falcon-16' team) flying in perfect diamond formation and performing aerial stunts.

I have a written piece on the actual maneuvers done. But basically our guys were dealing with consistent 5+ Gs while doing 360 degree loops and other maneuvers which impressed the crowd below.

According to accounts I have heard, the Falcons made the cover of Flight and Aeroplane --british magazine.

the RAF (which laid foundations of PAF) was so shocked!!! They eventually performed loops with 21 aircrafts in order to break Pakistani record. I'm not sure which aircrafts they used to do this.

 

[Muradk]

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PAF was very stingy when it came to giving SJ or TJ a lot of pilots even with 2 kills never got medals. Specially in 71 war.

 

[Najam Khan]

You mean Retd Air Cdre F S Hussain not Hussein joined 1949 died April 7th 1969.

Here is a good collection of photos from Air Cdre FS Hussain's colelction, looks like he was a very good aviation photogrpher as well.

 

[Wingman]

Yes F-104 was a terror to Indian Pilots.. On a TV programe I heard A/C Imtiaz Bhatti telling that in 1965 war upon seeing 104 a sikh pilot said " Phajj oyeee 104 eee..."

You are right Sir Imtiaz would never lie.

Over Kamra Butt he is engaged with 2 hunters, We get a call he is out numbered so we drop our tanks and go for him now when we enter the fight the ATC say by the way you just had a baby boy he says what a boy and he goes and hits a high tension cable We saw the hunter split and run away I thought they saw 4 of us but no they ran away because he had a high tension cable stuck sideways in his nose appox 200 ft long, We come closer and Andarbi say run he will kill us all and I looked carefully and the cable was there he had a hard time flying now the problem was how to land so we told AAGs men to run out of there nests he finally landed so did we , He get off get into the jeep goes into the ATC tower and punches the ATC officer knocks he front 2 teeth out " You SOB couldn't you wait for another sec before you told me I had a God dame son" we are all laughing and he goes and I say where are you going he says to see that SOB and I said who he says blody son of mine if its mine
During war sometimes such things made us forget that we are in a war and can die any moment.

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Sir G september 6 issue (email me)

 

[Wingman]

A/C F S Hussain was called King of Fury.

Post No. 206 by Sir MuradK!!! Great Post.
F/O Shamshad died at the age of 59 last year

 

[Wingman]

Here is a good collection of photos from Air Cdre FS Hussain's colelction, looks like he was a very good aviation photogrpher as well.

How did F S Hussain Sb died in 1969...

 

[Zee-Gen]

Even as a young Flying Officer, Fuad Shahid Hussain’s incredible mastery in low level aerobatics became legendary in the PAF. Manoeuvring just a few feet above the ground in a Hawker Fury, his propeller was kicking up dust on the runway, or just missing the tree tops in a graceful 8-point roll, it all look like child’s play. By the early 1950s he was a rapidly rising star – now known by thousands throughout Pakistan as just “F.S.” – and a role model of every fighter pilot in the air force. Tragically, “the prince of pilots” lost his life to diabetes at the young age of 40, when he was an Air Commodore.

 

[Zee-Gen]

THE PAYBILLS - PAF's FIRST JET AEROBATICS TEAM

In 1952, No 11 Squadron, Drigh Road (now Faisal) Air Base, formed an aerobatics team with the curious name "The Paybills," that happened to be the squadron's call sign. This was the PAF's first jet aerobatics team, flying the squadron's Attackers. The painting shows the formation flying over Manora. This team was led by F S Hussain, the renowned flyer and aerial acrobat of his time.

The Team: Squadron Leader F S Hussain
Flight Lieutenant M Z Masud
Flying Officer A U Ahmed
Pilot Officer Jamal A Khan