Who may be behind Rawalpindi 10/10?

[paritosh]

The ISI, the problem with using rabid dogs, is they will bite the hand that feeds them. Pakistan has been using jihadist for a long time. While the ISI handlers and supporters in Pakistan might not be true believers, the jihadist ARE, and anyone who isn't is a target.

The Pakistani Army deprived TTP of its micro defacto nation in SWAT and that makes the PA a target.

Blaiming India, or failing that the US, or failing that Afghanistan simple plays merry-go-round where the pole of the ride is the real culprit. Until and unless Pakistanis collectively decide to abandon the use of religious nut-jobs as a national tool for "wet" work the situation will not improve.

Recent reports have the ISI taking TTP fighters captured by the PA and turning them into suicide squads to be sent into Kashmir. The ISI is taking people who have killed your countrymen, and killed your soldiers and is thinking it can control them?

Every country needs a united army that is under absolute civilian control.
Any other group trying to arm up should be sanitized.People with arms need a purpose...for the weight of the knapsacks they carry.
The same Kashmiri jihadis might one day want the girls of AK to not go to schools...

 

[Fracker]

Probably referring to local intelligence agency sources....

Probably... and probably they baked up the story like other stories.. times is good in that!1

 

[TalibanSwatter]

Probably... and probably they baked up the story like other stories.. times is good in that!1

We'll find out soon enough. I'm afraid the military's track record in this regard is not good. Clearly, lots of ex-military personnel like Aqeel/Dr. Usman have been involved with the terrorists over a number of years.

It would be a bit optimistic to assume that there are no jihadi sympathisers left in the army. There are probably several 'Dr. Usmans' running around.

Did the PA wave some sort of magic wand recently that cleansed the military of all taliban sympathisers?... not likely.

The concern remains that someone with a military background and extensive knowledge of the GHQ complex helped plan the 10/10 attack.

 

[zraver]

this is what is called verbatitim regurgitation of ballocks fed by india

Take your blinders off, TTP isn't a bunch of foreign funded terrorists attacking you, India and the US have that problem. Your country has a problem with its own countrymen. The jihadists are not going to work for Hindus or Crusaders to attack the Umma.

How many of your countrymen are you willing to sacrifice o the alter of blame the US and India before your willing to put the blame where it belongs? The men who have been killing Pakistanis are Pakistanis, unlike Mumbai or 9-11 the threat is domestic and "controlled" if such is the right word, by parts of the ISI.

 

[Zee-Gen]

This is not important that who may be behind Rawalpindi 10/10?, somehow knowing it is important, but in fact this is a cat mouse game going on and we cannot end it by just bombing or militarily, it will go on and on ……. As long as motive is there, this war will find its way from SWA to Balochistan, swat to Punjab etc. Our enemy waged a war upon us and now its time to respond to the handlers of TTP also. As I said earlier in some post:

It’s mainly a three dimensional war, militarily, politically, and intelligence. The problem is we are fighting right now on just two fronts, military and intelligence. Our political will in this fight is very weak. Military cannot succeed until the political power is behind it. East Pakistan is an example. Our 90k+ soldiers surrendered there not because they don’t want to fight, but because there was a lack of political will. Our enemy wants our military to confront at different fronts, but we can use GHQ attack and possible refusal of KLB from parliament in our favor. We can use these issues for a withdrawal from “war against terrorism”, we can pressurize coalition forces to kick India from Afghanistan by cutting their supply lines, we can earn more and more money from US and NATO by imposing a tax on their supplies, a lot of things we can do, but the problem is all these issues are related to our so called political govt. and this is the front where we are lacking right now

My point is………cut the motive…and we will win the half war instantly. We all saw in Swat, TTP used the sympathies of common people of Pakistan by the name of Sharia, but once the Sharia has been given they were totally isolated and everybody realized that they are not the well wisher of Pakistan or even Islam. Now, TTP is using Pakistan’s stance to stay with coalition forces in so called “war against terrorism” and brainwashing the people who literally has no knowledge what is going on around. Once we decided to be neutral in “war against terrorism” by playing our cards properly and cleverly, TTP will die out on its own.

 

[zraver]

This is not important that who may be behind Rawalpindi 10/10?, somehow knowing it is important, but in fact this is a cat mouse game going on and we cannot end it by just bombing or militarily, it will go on and on ……. As long as motive is there, this war will find its way from SWA to Balochistan, swat to Punjab etc. Our enemy waged a war upon us and now its time to respond to the handlers of TTP also. As I said earlier in some post:



My point is………cut the motive…and we will win the half war instantly. We all saw in Swat, TTP used the sympathies of common people of Pakistan by the name of Sharia, but once the Sharia has been given they were totally isolated and everybody realized that they are not the well wisher of Pakistan or even Islam. Now, TTP is using Pakistan’s stance to stay with coalition forces in so called “war against terrorism” and brainwashing the people who literally has no knowledge what is going on around. Once we decided to be neutral in “war against terrorism” by playing our cards properly and cleverly, TTP will die out on its own.

There is no neutrality when you live on the front lines, you either fight or surrender. Nor is it a so called war on terrorism, it is a war on terrorism. From terror attacks on places lime NYC, London, Bali, Mumbai, and Rawalpindi to who populations living in terror in places like SWAT. There are two sides- those who believe in basic human dignity and those who don't. No one who thinks that its OK to offer sanctuary to a group that tried to murder 50,000 people (number of people in the twin towers on a normal day), strap bombs to women/kids/disabled, or kill 200 bystanders to assassinate 1 political figure has any concept of human dignity and with out you cannot deal with them from any position of mutual respect.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

This guy Dr Usman was already in custody for the Marriot attack:

Its a common name - I won't dismiss it out of hand, but it does not necessarily have to refer to the same individual.

 

[PostColonial]

Here's something to chew on:

Former Pakistani Military Officer Led the GHQ attack.
Militant leader who led attack on Pakistan Army base is one of many defectors - Times Online

Security officials have identified him as Mohammed Aqeel and said that he was in the medical corps before joining militants based in the northwestern tribal region of North Waziristan.

Earlier this year police arrested Major Haroon Rashid who, they said, worked for al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taleban and was involved in the murder of a retired general who led special forces against the militants.

The major quit the army in 2001 after Pakistan supported the US-led invasion of Afghanistan and went to Waziristan to train militants, security sources say.

His younger brother, a captain, went to Afghanistan to fight alongside the Afghan Taleban after leaving the army in 2002. He was killed fighting British Forces in Helmand in 2002.

Ilyas Khashmiri, a retired army commando, was one of the most dreaded militant commanders until he was killed in a drone strike on North Waziristan last month. Intelligence sources say many other former soldiers are either fighting foreign forces in Afghanistan or helping militants in northwestern Pakistan.

 

[pakdefender]

There is no neutrality when you live on the front lines, you either fight or surrender. Nor is it a so called war on terrorism, it is a war on terrorism. From terror attacks on places lime NYC, London, Bali, Mumbai, and Rawalpindi to who populations living in terror in places like SWAT. There are two sides- those who believe in basic human dignity and those who don't. No one who thinks that its OK to offer sanctuary to a group that tried to murder 50,000 people (number of people in the twin towers on a normal day), strap bombs to women/kids/disabled, or kill 200 bystanders to assassinate 1 political figure has any concept of human dignity and with out you cannot deal with them from any position of mutual respect.

This stupid argument was applied in Northern Ireland that there are 'two sides' it didnt work there , in the end it has been dialogue and economic progress that has brought peace between the Cathloic and Protestant comunities of Northern Ireland.

Catholics and Protestants still remain fundametally different , the dispute in Northern Ireland is not fully resolved but the conflict has been contained.

The key word here is 'contained'

Instead of being a rapture seeking evalgelical biggot talking in religous terms ( making you no better than the 'other' side ) and inflaming sentiments all around had the US sought to ACTAULLY bring closure to the conflict, the US government officals should have from the start dealt with this issue as a global law an order issue.

For the US acting like the global police man of the world I have to say they have proven to be very pathetic at it.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Recent reports have the ISI taking TTP fighters captured by the PA and turning them into suicide squads to be sent into Kashmir. The ISI is taking people who have killed your countrymen, and killed your soldiers and is thinking it can control them?

That report was debunked by the Indian Home Minister Chidambaram himself.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...nst-india-isi-tells-taliban-3.html#post507373

The ISI supported the Afghan Taliban, not the TTP. The argument is often raised that US support for the Mujahideen does not equate to US support for the Taliban and AQ.

Once could argue the same with respect to Pakistani support for the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan vs the more recent phenomenon of the Pakistani Taliban, whom Pakistan has not as of of yet supported in terms of providing resources or training.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Here's something to chew on:

Former Pakistani Military Officer Led the GHQ attack.
Militant leader who led attack on Pakistan Army base is one of many defectors - Times Online

Security officials have identified him as Mohammed Aqeel and said that he was in the medical corps before joining militants based in the northwestern tribal region of North Waziristan.

Earlier this year police arrested Major Haroon Rashid who, they said, worked for al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taleban and was involved in the murder of a retired general who led special forces against the militants.

The major quit the army in 2001 after Pakistan supported the US-led invasion of Afghanistan and went to Waziristan to train militants, security sources say.

His younger brother, a captain, went to Afghanistan to fight alongside the Afghan Taleban after leaving the army in 2002. He was killed fighting British Forces in Helmand in 2002.

Ilyas Khashmiri, a retired army commando, was one of the most dreaded militant commanders until he was killed in a drone strike on North Waziristan last month. Intelligence sources say many other former soldiers are either fighting foreign forces in Afghanistan or helping militants in northwestern Pakistan.

There was a report on CNN a few months ago that pointed out that a large number of the violent gang members in the LA area, especially drug related gangs, were ex US Military ...

 

[PostColonial]

There was a report on CNN a few months ago that pointed out that a large number of the violent gang members in the LA area, especially drug related gangs, were ex US Military ...

OK. So its all cool then. I guess a few unemployed ex-soldiers joining drug gangs is the comparable to ex-army officer organizing a spectacular terrorist attack on his own country's army headquarters.

Are you one of those guys who blames the "Hindu Zionists" too?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

OK. So its all cool then. I guess a few unemployed ex-soldiers joining drug gangs is the comparable to ex-army officer organizing a spectacular terrorist attack on his own country's army headquarters.

The underlying point is the same - former military joining criminal organizations.

Those drug gangs are not doing charity work you know - murders, of civilians and law enforcement, and the drug trade, which impacts millions.

The people who join the military, any military, are no angels or infallible deities.

Are you one of those guys who blames the "Hindu Zionists" too?

Read my posts and figure it out - stop trolling.

 

[PostColonial]

I"m trolling?

Gosh - I guess the sure shot way of being called a troll here is to have an Indian flag.

Your response infact was a typical trollish one - trying to deflect the subject over to US drug gangs rather than the thread topic. Who's the real troll sir?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I"m trolling?

Attributing to me nonsensical 'Hindu-Zionist' claims when none were brought into the discussion by me, nor ever have been, is what?

Gosh - I guess the sure shot way of being called a troll here is to have an Indian flag.

Nope - the sure shot way is by trolling, as explained above.

Your response infact was a typical trollish one - trying to deflect the subject over to US drug gangs rather than the thread topic. Who's the real troll sir?

Hardly - I made a very valid point, and provided an example, that illustrates that any military in the world can have members that engage in criminal activity, since the implication behind your post, as I understood it, was to suggest that somehow the Pakistani military was unique in experiencing this phenomenon.