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He was no general, just a sad mentally sick moron who though that he was a military genius :lol:
see many consider him as a general...what more to say,,,

Hitler, Germany's Worst General
by Robert C. Daniels



Whether Germany could have won the
Second World War is a topic that even
today still generates debates among
the professional and lay historian
alike. It is commonly said that it is
the generals who make the least
amount of mistakes that win the
wars. However, this can also be said
about the leaders of the belligerent
nations as well, especially when they
assume a strong, sometimes
overbearing role in the military
leadership and planning of wars.
Germany's Adolf Hitler fits this later
category during World War II.
As the strong, overbearing dictator of
Germany during World War II, Hitler
made many mistakes in waging the
war. Two of the more prominent of
these mistakes, both with wide and
sweeping results, were the June 22,
1941 invasion of the USSR—Operation
Barbarossa—and the December 11,
1941 unprovoked and unwarranted
declaration of war on the United
States—against the advice of Hitler's
Foreign Minister, Joachim von
Ribbentrop.[1] It is commonly argued
that these two mistakes combined
eventually resulted in Germany's
ultimate downfall. However, even
with the enormity of these two
mistakes, one other mistake
outweighs both the launching of
Operation Barbarossa and the
declaration of war on the United
States in terms of possibly altering
the outcome of the war. Had Hitler
chosen to listen to his generals and
bring England to her knees prior to
the invasion of the USSR and the
declaration of war on the United
States by concentrating Germany's
overwhelming forces in defeating the
British in North Africa and the Middle
East in 1941, Germany could very well
have won the war.
By the end of May 1941, Germany,
under the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler,
had conquered or, with the support of
her allies and puppet rulers, gained
the effective control over nearly all of
Western Europe and was in
possession of most of North Africa.
Stalin, although not viewing Hitler as
particularly trustworthy, had signed a
non-aggression pact with Germany
and was not anticipating an invasion
from, nor planning an attack against
Germany. The United States, although
actively supporting England through
the Lend-Lease law enacted in
February 1941, and from the
beginning of April of that same year
was "operating a Neutrality Patrol
which effectively excluded U-boats
from the Atlantic west of Bermuda,"[2]
was still clinging to the isolationist
theory, and not readily eager nor
willing to enter the war. This left
Great Britain as Hitler's only
remaining military threat, and Great
Britain was in dire straits.
The British army, having had already
taken a beating in Norway and
France, leaving a substantial amount
of her war equipment on the beaches
of Dunkirk, was fighting a desperate
struggle to hold onto its last
remaining foothold of the war—Egypt.
Up to this point in the war, Hitler's
forces seemed invincible. In March of
1938 Hitler effectively annexed
Austria, 6 months later he did the
same to the Sudetenland, and in
March of 1939 annexed
Czechoslovakia. The August 22, 1939
signing of the non-aggression pact
between Germany and the USSR,
privately stipulating that the Baltic
States would go to the USSR and
Poland would be partitioned between
the USSR and Germany, left Hitler's
army free to invade Poland.[3] Less
than two months later Poland had
been invaded and was in Nazi hands
causing Great Britain and France to
declare war with Germany.
By the summer of 1940, Denmark and
Norway had also fallen to Germany.
May 10 to June 22, 1940, a timeframe
covering just over a month, saw the
German forces overrun, with relative
ease, the Western European states of
the Netherlands, Belgium,
Luxembourg, and even France in the
well thought out and planned
Operation Sichelschnitt, "Sickle
Stroke."[4] The Sichelschnitt plan,
along with the use of the Blitzkrieg,
"lightning war,"[5] proved to be a
novel, if not a stroke of genius, way
of overcoming and overwhelming an
enemy, especially an enemy that is as
surprised and ill equipped as was
those of the Allied armies of 1940.
In three years Hitler had gained
effective control over nearly all of
Western Europe, North Africa, and the
Mediterranean Ocean with only Great
Britain left standing in her way, and
England's only hold was in Egypt and
the Middle East. It was clearly the
time to eliminate this threat, and
clearly the logical next step in
Hitler's goal of eliminating all
threatening continental powers in
Europe, fulfilling Hitler's own political
statement for Germany:
Never suffer the rise of two
continental powers in Europe. Regard
any attempt to organize a second
military power on the German
frontiers, even if only in the form of
creating a state capable of military
strength, as an attack on Germany,
and in it see not only the right, but
also the duty, to employ all means up
to armed force to prevent rise of such
a state, or, if one has already arisen,
to smash it again.[6]
However, as history has shown,
going against the advice of many of
his general officers, Hitler ordered the
implementation of Operation
Barbarossa, the invasion of the USSR,
to begin on June 22, 1941, effectively
creating a two front war and
beginning the downfall of the German
Third Reich. Hitler's personal need to
strike at Russia was long ingrained
into his psyche. In the mid-1920's,
while serving time in Germany's
Landsberg Prison, Hitler wrote his
famous Mein Kampf, [7] where he
outlined his world plan for Germany.
In Mein Kampf Hitler laid out his plan
for Germany's lebensraum, or living
room. He wanted "to secure for the
German people the land and soil
which they are entitled on this
earth."[8] Referring once again to his
political statement for Germany, Hitler
wrote:
See to it that the strength of our
nation is founded, not on colonies,
but on the soil of our European
homeland. Never regard the Reich as
secure unless for centuries to come it
can give every scion of our people
his own parcel of soil. Never forget
that the most sacred right on this
earth is a man's right to have earth to
till with his own hands, and the most
sacred sacrifice the blood that a man
sheds for his earth.[9]
Stating, "We stop the endless German
movement to the south and west, and
turn our gaze toward the land in the
east," Hitler saw the lands of
Germany's eastern neighbors as the
best for his lebensraum.[10] Since he
was already in possession of
Czechoslovakia and Poland, Russia,
with its vast fertile western lands,
was next in line. It was clear to
anyone who took the time to read
Hitler's Mein Kampf that the invasion
of Russia was imminent as long as
Hitler was the Fuhrer; and Mein
Kampf was widely read throughout
Germany in the 1930s and early
1940s.
 
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Shivaji Maratha was also another great General. He was the kind of general who led the army and fought at the thick of the battle instead of an arm chair general. He turned his people into a great political and military power in India which the Peshwas further enhanced after his death.

Sher Shah Suri and Ahmad Shah Abdali were also great commanders of their time who carved an empire by defeating great powers and brought about the Afghan revival in India.
 
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My current fav. is Gen. Ban Chao (班超) from the Eastern Han Dynasty during 32 - 102 CE. who had the unenviable task of securing the Talim Basin against a multitude of enemies by bravery & by wit. During his tenure, the powerful Xiongnu were soundly defeated & never to return until after his death, while other turkic tribes & kingdoms were brought under control of the empire. He also help to build upon the foundation of the Silk Road by sending Gan Ying (甘英), an ambassador through Parthia reaching the present day Persian Gulf.
 
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Khalid Ibn Walid.

The greatest general to have ever lived.

Understand the following fact:

He had the least resources, and faced the greatest odds compared to any other general in world history...and yet, he fought and won atleast 40 battles/engagements against the superpowers of its time (Roman and Persian Empires)...and at times, faced the combined forces of the both superpowers along with their allies..yet came out as victorious....

and all of it, only and only due to his sheer tactical military genius.

He fought most number of battles in history to have remained undefeated, if I'm not wrong @AUSTERLITZ
 
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Hitler ....for obvious reasons....
:D:D
Maybe a decent leader who utilized post ww1 anger and developed Germany, but as a war General..no.
Hitler was a terrible general, he had no idea about war or military strategy. In fact the more he got involved and the more he started to overrule his previously trusted generals ( who brought him much success, earlier) the more they lost. And no one else could stop him too, due to the sheer sycophancy that existed among the top brass (sort of like a Rahul Gandhi-Congress towards the end of the election).
 
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Khalid Ibn Walid.

The greatest general to have ever lived.

Understand the following fact:

He had the least resources, and faced the greatest odds compared to any other general in world history...and yet, he fought and won atleast 40 battles/engagements against the superpowers of its time (Roman and Persian Empires)...and at times, faced the combined forces of the both superpowers along with their allies..yet came out as victorious....

and all of it, only and only due to his sheer tactical military genius.

He fought most number of battles in history to have remained undefeated, if I'm not wrong @AUSTERLITZ

This is true,khalid is very underrated because he is promoted by his own people in the wrong manner,as religion being wholly responsible for all his victories,thus diminishing his own genius's contribution.Also because all films on him have been mostly in arabic or regional languages rather than english...thus the much inferior saladin is more hyped rather than this genius.He, subutai and taimur will fight it out for the title of greatest cavalry commander.More of a tactician than a strategist...if u examine the battles its just brilliant.Fought around 35 odd engagements...this would be the largest number undefeated along with suvorov and duke of wellington who also fought around the same number.(We do not know how many battles genghis fought...subutai lost an engagement in the mountain pass in china,and timur lost a few battles early on when he was young)

On greatest odds..hannibal would be equal here.And belisarius.Frederick also fought agianst great odds.(france,russia,austria)
 
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This man :-

  • at the age of 10 killed warriors sent by his uncles to assassinate him
  • used the tactic of growing his nation by defeating neighboring tribes, showing them mercy conditional upon them agreeing to merge with his larger tribe
  • made it compulsory as a general that none of his soldiers would be permitted to marry until they had served a period of military service, thus introducing the concept of compulsory military service into Africa
  • introduced the short stabbing spear (similar to the short stabbing sword of the Romans) which was not to be thrown at the enemy soldier but was to be returned by the soldier on completion of the battle
  • introduced a close knit battle formation with the bull's horn flank which scattered and bewildered the enemy
  • introduced military drills for his soldiers forcing them to march in different strides as a formation for up to 20kms a day
  • introduced a system of supporting formations which left in advance in small numbers, carrying food and other necessities for the warriors to ensure that the formations could move faster and focus on reaching a particular spot where they would be replenished
  • was feared by the British empire which never stepped foot in his territory during his lifetime (late 1700s)
  • was feared by the Afrikaners who like the British were armed with guns and cannons but also never stepped foot in his territory during his lifetime
  • was called the "Black Napoleon of Africa" by the British
  • refused to sign any treaty with the British or the Afrikaner warning them that any attempt to question his authority or his sovereignty would be met with force
  • made it compulsory for every woman over the age of 14 to learn how to get into a defensive formation to defend the kraals (residential forts) in the event that the kraal was attacked whilst the soldiers were away
  • created a nation which is still respected and admired internationally as a martial nation

He is Shaka kaSenzangakhona , also known as Shaka Zulu. His overall accomplishment in my view would make him one of the world's greatest generals
 
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Shaka zulu went insane towards the end of his life..and became a megalomaniacal mass killer..of his own people.But yes..he was the greatest general out of central/southern africa .
 
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see many consider him as a general...what more to say,,,

Hitler, Germany's Worst General
by Robert C. Daniels



Whether Germany could have won the
Second World War is a topic that even
today still generates debates among
the professional and lay historian
alike. It is commonly said that it is
the generals who make the least
amount of mistakes that win the
wars. However, this can also be said
about the leaders of the belligerent
nations as well, especially when they
assume a strong, sometimes
overbearing role in the military
leadership and planning of wars.
Germany's Adolf Hitler fits this later
category during World War II.
As the strong, overbearing dictator of
Germany during World War II, Hitler
made many mistakes in waging the
war. Two of the more prominent of
these mistakes, both with wide and
sweeping results, were the June 22,
1941 invasion of the USSR—Operation
Barbarossa—and the December 11,
1941 unprovoked and unwarranted
declaration of war on the United
States—against the advice of Hitler's
Foreign Minister, Joachim von
Ribbentrop.[1] It is commonly argued
that these two mistakes combined
eventually resulted in Germany's
ultimate downfall. However, even
with the enormity of these two
mistakes, one other mistake
outweighs both the launching of
Operation Barbarossa and the
declaration of war on the United
States in terms of possibly altering
the outcome of the war. Had Hitler
chosen to listen to his generals and
bring England to her knees prior to
the invasion of the USSR and the
declaration of war on the United
States by concentrating Germany's
overwhelming forces in defeating the
British in North Africa and the Middle
East in 1941, Germany could very well
have won the war.
By the end of May 1941, Germany,
under the dictatorship of Adolf Hitler,
had conquered or, with the support of
her allies and puppet rulers, gained
the effective control over nearly all of
Western Europe and was in
possession of most of North Africa.
Stalin, although not viewing Hitler as
particularly trustworthy, had signed a
non-aggression pact with Germany
and was not anticipating an invasion
from, nor planning an attack against
Germany. The United States, although
actively supporting England through
the Lend-Lease law enacted in
February 1941, and from the
beginning of April of that same year
was "operating a Neutrality Patrol
which effectively excluded U-boats
from the Atlantic west of Bermuda,"[2]
was still clinging to the isolationist
theory, and not readily eager nor
willing to enter the war. This left
Great Britain as Hitler's only
remaining military threat, and Great
Britain was in dire straits.
The British army, having had already
taken a beating in Norway and
France, leaving a substantial amount
of her war equipment on the beaches
of Dunkirk, was fighting a desperate
struggle to hold onto its last
remaining foothold of the war—Egypt.
Up to this point in the war, Hitler's
forces seemed invincible. In March of
1938 Hitler effectively annexed
Austria, 6 months later he did the
same to the Sudetenland, and in
March of 1939 annexed
Czechoslovakia. The August 22, 1939
signing of the non-aggression pact
between Germany and the USSR,
privately stipulating that the Baltic
States would go to the USSR and
Poland would be partitioned between
the USSR and Germany, left Hitler's
army free to invade Poland.[3] Less
than two months later Poland had
been invaded and was in Nazi hands
causing Great Britain and France to
declare war with Germany.
By the summer of 1940, Denmark and
Norway had also fallen to Germany.
May 10 to June 22, 1940, a timeframe
covering just over a month, saw the
German forces overrun, with relative
ease, the Western European states of
the Netherlands, Belgium,
Luxembourg, and even France in the
well thought out and planned
Operation Sichelschnitt, "Sickle
Stroke."[4] The Sichelschnitt plan,
along with the use of the Blitzkrieg,
"lightning war,"[5] proved to be a
novel, if not a stroke of genius, way
of overcoming and overwhelming an
enemy, especially an enemy that is as
surprised and ill equipped as was
those of the Allied armies of 1940.
In three years Hitler had gained
effective control over nearly all of
Western Europe, North Africa, and the
Mediterranean Ocean with only Great
Britain left standing in her way, and
England's only hold was in Egypt and
the Middle East. It was clearly the
time to eliminate this threat, and
clearly the logical next step in
Hitler's goal of eliminating all
threatening continental powers in
Europe, fulfilling Hitler's own political
statement for Germany:
Never suffer the rise of two
continental powers in Europe. Regard
any attempt to organize a second
military power on the German
frontiers, even if only in the form of
creating a state capable of military
strength, as an attack on Germany,
and in it see not only the right, but
also the duty, to employ all means up
to armed force to prevent rise of such
a state, or, if one has already arisen,
to smash it again.[6]
However, as history has shown,
going against the advice of many of
his general officers, Hitler ordered the
implementation of Operation
Barbarossa, the invasion of the USSR,
to begin on June 22, 1941, effectively
creating a two front war and
beginning the downfall of the German
Third Reich. Hitler's personal need to
strike at Russia was long ingrained
into his psyche. In the mid-1920's,
while serving time in Germany's
Landsberg Prison, Hitler wrote his
famous Mein Kampf, [7] where he
outlined his world plan for Germany.
In Mein Kampf Hitler laid out his plan
for Germany's lebensraum, or living
room. He wanted "to secure for the
German people the land and soil
which they are entitled on this
earth."[8] Referring once again to his
political statement for Germany, Hitler
wrote:
See to it that the strength of our
nation is founded, not on colonies,
but on the soil of our European
homeland. Never regard the Reich as
secure unless for centuries to come it
can give every scion of our people
his own parcel of soil. Never forget
that the most sacred right on this
earth is a man's right to have earth to
till with his own hands, and the most
sacred sacrifice the blood that a man
sheds for his earth.[9]
Stating, "We stop the endless German
movement to the south and west, and
turn our gaze toward the land in the
east," Hitler saw the lands of
Germany's eastern neighbors as the
best for his lebensraum.[10] Since he
was already in possession of
Czechoslovakia and Poland, Russia,
with its vast fertile western lands,
was next in line. It was clear to
anyone who took the time to read
Hitler's Mein Kampf that the invasion
of Russia was imminent as long as
Hitler was the Fuhrer; and Mein
Kampf was widely read throughout
Germany in the 1930s and early
1940s.

Thats nonsense.

Hitler never became an officer, he never had any military education. He was just a wanna be general who had total and absolute power due to political reasons.
 
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Ashif Qureshi .. who once said "jawaano .... ishq karna hai toh humse karo ... jananio mein kya rakha hai" :D
 
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He fought most number of battles in history to have remained undefeated, if I'm not wrong @AUSTERLITZ
Let Boss ...answer that question....
This is true,khalid is very underrated because he is promoted by his own people in the wrong manner,as religion being wholly responsible for all his victories,thus diminishing his own genius's contribution.Also because all films on him have been mostly in arabic or regional languages rather than english...thus the much inferior saladin is more hyped rather than this genius.He, subutai and taimur will fight it out for the title of greatest cavalry commander.More of a tactician than a strategist...if u examine the battles its just brilliant.Fought around 35 odd engagements...this would be the largest number undefeated along with suvorov and duke of wellington who also fought around the same number.(We do not know how many battles genghis fought...subutai lost an engagement in the mountain pass in china,and timur lost a few battles early on when he was young)
On greatest odds..hannibal would be equal here.And belisarius.Frederick also fought agianst great odds.(france,russia,austria
@AUSTERLITZ is Historian Gibbon of that thread :-)
I come to know that... Khalid & Gangis khan never lost a single battle in their military life...?? is that correct

Joseph Stalin, Hitler and Pervez Musharraf

WHY PERVEZ MUSHARRAF??.....HE IS SOB

@Dem!god ...Hitler is my favorite too.... Dont be afraid,Iam supporting you :enjoy:

@AUSTERLITZ ... I want to know the Emperors (if you create thread on that topic) who built Magnificient FORTS
that encompass China WALL like Marvels........I think that topic will catch much attention ;)
 
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