Who declared the independence of Bangladesh?

[countryman]

That guy is a traitor.
Power hungry racist.
Met a fate he deserved.

You do realise we are your parent country.
You cannot dictate us our history.
This arrogant racist behaviour is the reason why God chose to cleanse us with the evil.
Altaf Zardari Nawaz Bacha Bhutto have all the seeds. But it was Mujib who crowned himself the traitor.

Let's not get into it - these are subjective things - they chose for themselves. Let's live our lives and let 'em live theirs. Bangladesh should not have been the part of Pakistan at first place - would that Baba ji had seen this coming - in fact, he was well aware of orientation and behavior of leadership prior to Indo-Pak partition but turned the blind eye and opted to take in the east region.

i did

LOL!

 

[Shah Khalid]

watch this, it has english subtitle, it will clear your confusion.

It Is Pretty Much Obvious From This Speech That Awami League Did Not Want To Secede But They Were Pushed By The Deceit of Bhutto and Yahya.If National Assembly Had Been Allowed to Convene and AL Had Been Allowed to Form Their Government Which Was Their Right.East Pakistan Could Have been Saved

 

[UK_86]

Is Hamoodur Rahman Commission report published? I remember a decade back people were crazy for right to information etc and Pak govt. was not issuing the report.

 

[countryman]

It Is Pretty Much Obvious From This Speech That Awami League Did Not Want To Secede But They Were Pushed By The Deceit of Bhutto and Yahya.If National Assembly Had Been Allowed to Convene and AL Had Been Allowed to Form Their Government Which Was Their Right.East Pakistan Could Have been Saved

Or maybe you're totally wrong, was it worth saving? I've not studied history in detail but as much as I know - this was extra baggage in form of east Pakistan that we took in as caused all these embarrassment. They should not have been the part of Pakistan - most of them never wanted to be the part Pakistan. Muslim league started in that region but idea of Pakistan was not lead and promoted by Muslims of that region (I'm not talking about exceptions but majority), and until the end they striven for independent bangal or at-least united bangal. However, but no one entertained their idea: neither Britain, nor congress nor Muslim league. I don't know how and with what intentions they reluctantly conceded to Pakistan.

PS: If I'm wrong please enlighten me.

 

[BDforever]

It Is Pretty Much Obvious From This Speech That Awami League Did Not Want To Secede But They Were Pushed By The Deceit of Bhutto and Yahya.If National Assembly Had Been Allowed to Convene and AL Had Been Allowed to Form Their Government Which Was Their Right.East Pakistan Could Have been Saved

what else do you expect from Yahya, check this video

 

[American Pakistani]

Pakistani politicians have always been bunch of selfish h@ r@ meez. Be it Sharif, Zardari, Bhuttos, etc but mujib turn out 10 steps more than any other politician. Instead of taking entire West and Eastern population into confidence, he choose to develop blueprints of terrorism and separation, rest is history. The lier spread nonsense propaganda against the western wing claiming all money was being spent there. Islamabad was built after 71, Pakistan's nuclear program was developed after 71, Pakistan's missle program was developed after 71, Pakistan's motorway system was built after 71, what had been build before 71 that mujib was crying about? As for Bangladesh progressing in economy today is only because of the war Pakistan is fighting since 2001. If there was no war then Pakistan would remain well ahead of even India in GDP per capita.

And who cares who declared independence. It actually solved many problems of Pakistan plus another muslim nation was formed. Pakistanis are happy that it is growing and hope it can help the oppressed muslims in that region.

 

[El Sidd]

when you can't come up with constructive argument you talk like El Sidd

There is nothing constructive about Bangladesh.

The slogan Mujib made famous in East Pakistan was pretty much like of Gaddafi and Sadat and Saddam.

Their countries are in civil war. Bangladesh will go through the cycle as well.

I just don't have any good news for you.

Yeah, but all these biases are explainable or atleast I can understand they need something to attach to or unite upon to amplify their nationalism, so, I would simply ignore whatever truth or crap they sell to their people.

What concerns me is Bangladesh dragging Pakistan's current affair - though I don't advocated ZERO RELATIONSHIP or maybe I'm not there yet but I really don't feel comfortable on Pakistan being involved in Bangladesh's people, politics, and scandals.

PS: Instead of ZERO RELATIONS, I would want our diplomatic and foreign policy for Bangladesh at par with our policies for other south east Asian countries - nothing less and nothing more.

Every baseless country needs a boogeyman in Pakistan to earn a living. They are doing that.

They need to divert attention so that's why they use such petty tactics. Typical attention seekers this lot.

Let's not get into it - these are subjective things - they chose for themselves. Let's live our lives and let 'em live theirs. Bangladesh should not have been the part of Pakistan at first place - would that Baba ji had seen this coming - in fact, he was well aware of orientation and behavior of leadership prior to Indo-Pak partition but turned the blind eye and opted to take in the east region.


LOL!

Baba could not have said No.

The signs were there from the very beginning but they were not ignored. They were just handled badly by those after Liaquat.

Patience is never a virtue for some people.

For any future relations the narrative is already there that the country was borne out of war not out of political chaos.

You will eventually reach the conclusion that Pakistan is better off without them and thus we closed the final chapter by giving citizenship to those who were illegal here.

 

[countryman]

Pakistani politicians have always been bunch of selfish h@ r@ meez. Be it Sharif, Zardari, Bhuttos, etc but mujib turn out 10 steps more than any other politician. Instead of taking entire West and Eastern population into confidence, he choose to develop blueprints of terrorism and separation, rest is history. The lier spread nonsense propaganda against the western wing claiming all money was being spent there. Islamabad was built after 71, Pakistan's nuclear program was developed after 71, Pakistan's missle program was developed after 71, Pakistan's motorway system was built after 71, what had been build before 71 that mujib was crying about? As for Bangladesh progressing in economy today is only because of the war Pakistan is fighting since 2001. If there was no war then Pakistan would remain well ahead of even India in GDP per capita.

I think I totally agree with you, however, the elements of separation were already there from beginning he just nurtured them. Regarding Pakistan's decision - I think that was only way forward. What happened in 1971 was not because of their demand for autonomy, but due to east Pakistan's intention to rule whole Pakistan? Wasn't west Pakistan willing to give them the autonomy? People call west politicians as selfish and power hungry but I don't understand how they could have risked the future of Pakistan by letting into the hands of people who didn't even wanted to be the part of Pakistan before indo-pak partition.

And who cares who declared independence. It actually solved many problems of Pakistan plus another muslim nation was formed. Pakistanis are happy that it is growing and hope it can help the oppressed muslims in that region.

Yeah, thankfully.

Baba could not have said No.

The signs were there from the very beginning but they were not ignored. They were just handled badly by those after Liaquat.

No, the signs were there before indo-pak partition when they proposed independent bengal or virtually independent but united Bengal and even before even before, in fact, all prominent figures working for the idea of Pakistan knew that region prefer bengal first. But baba ji couldn't ignore this extra baggage because it would defied the two nation's theory and would have weaken their stance.

Yes, it was handled badly later - they should have been given total autonomy immediately after partition.

 

[El Sidd]

No, the signs were their before indo-pak partition when they proposed independent bengal or virtually independent but united Bengal and even before even before, in fact, all prominent figures working for the idea of Pakistan knew that region prefer bengal first. But baba ji couldn't ignore this extra baggage because it would defied the two nation's theory and would have weaken their stance.

Yes, it was handled badly later - they should have been given total autonomy immediately after partition.

Well the Bengalis are living in Pakistan and two nation theory lives on with them.

But we are reading this in hindsight. Communism flourished in Bengal and also East Pakistan. It took refuge in the racist nature of the region.

Baba played a master stroke by keeping them and checkmating India's strategic depth eastwards. The racist identity crisis bit Pakistan in 1971. West Bengal in India is destined for the same fate somewhere down the line.

Question only is that Rohingyas should have a separate state by that principle and they will.

 

[countryman]

Question only is that Rohingyas should have a separate state by that principle and they will.

In my view - No. I think their only a few aboriginal Rohingya people but most of them are the stateless people who ex-filtrated to neighboring countries in recent decades (I equally blame pre-partition Pakistan for not taking care of new migrants in east-Pakistan).

 

[El Sidd]

In my view - No. I think their only a few aboriginal Rohingya people but mostly are they stateless people who infiltrated to neighboring countries in recent decades (I equally blame pre-partition Pakistan for not taking care of new migrants in east-Pakistan).

These are basically Pakistanis who fled during 71.

They should have a new country.

That should be the legal stance if this comes up at the UN.

 

[countryman]

These are basically Pakistanis who fled during 71.

Hmm, I'm highly skeptic about that - there are more Bangladeshis than pre-partition Pakistanis. I'm Pakistani and in case hard time come upon our nation I'll not run away - I'll face it. I only sympathize them on the basis of humanity and nothing else. In my view more permanent solution will be that Bangladesh takes in the Rohyngya, reconcile their differences with Myanmar for its own future.

 

[El Sidd]

Hmm, I'm highly skeptic about that - there are more Bangladeshis than pre-partition Pakistanis. I'm Pakistani and in case hard time come upon our nation I'll not run away - I'll face it. I only sympathize them on the basis of humanity and nothing else. In my view more permanent solution will be that Bangladesh takes in the Rohyngya, reconcile their differences with Myanmar for its own future.

Let's see what happens

 

[Brahmarshi]

The real traitor of Pakistan is Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the mastermind of the break up of Pakistan. The equation is pretty simple.

Pakistan's founding fathers were mostly Muhajirs and Bengalis, so after independence, the politics of Pakistan began to be dominated by these communities, being the most experienced and seasoned politicians among all. However, since Muhajirs were a migrant community, the Bengali politicians had the most popularity among all.

This situation left ambitious politicians from West Pakistan like Zulfikar Ali Bhutto frustrated. As a result, he conspired to prevent the true representative of Pakistanis, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, from assuming his deserving leadership and thereby, leading to the separation of East Pakistan. That resulted in the total monopoly of Bhutto in the Pakistan politics.

Those Punjabi and Pathan generals of Pakistan military like Yahya Khan were mainly from tribal backgrounds and hence couldn't realize the conspiracy of Bhutto as well as India against the Pakistani nation. They just complied with Bhutto's plans that ultimately led to the break up of Pakistan.

to be fair Bangalis have noting in common with Real West Pakistani beside Religion as both are almost 1200 kilometers away.

while muhajir bhutto was from Rajasthan and shared his ethnic origin with Sindhis and Southern Punjabis, he was also an Rajput thats why his family easily assimilated into Rajput community of sindh and Punjab.

today same family is face of sindhi politics in i am not wrong.

 

[Shah Khalid]

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