again why are you telling me this?
i dont care we are talking about pakistan here.
and yes israel is an enemy nation but not jews so stop bringing religion into this
Let me make this simple for you;
My question was, that isn't Israel the number one enemy of Pakistan considering your history with them?
Even if not in direct confrontation, you have been the vanguard of any opposition against them.
So where does Israel stand on the enemy ranking list.
Don't twist my talks and shove words in my mouth.
You damn well know that I am talking about Israelis (who are Jews by their religion).
It only reflects immaturity that you have to twist my words.
what are you talking about? usa backing us for what? sponsoring terrorism in india?
Throughout the Cold War and until 9/11, USA handled you like their biggest non-NATO ally. Despite repetitive evidence of your meddling in our territory through supporting separatism, they turned away and pretended as if we were lying. Throughout 60s, 70s, 80s etc your economy and pretty much your country was run on what USA fancied and assisted you in terms of finance.
good of you to admit it, motivate us to try harder to sabotage your plans while helping the kashmiris even more.
Cool down, man. You'll end up losing what is left of your country by bankrupting yourself in your obsession to get our state.
Really,
learn from the British who packed up their belongings after WW2 and left for their home land which was in ruined thanks to Nazi Germany's carpet bombing.
tell that to the kashmiris
Actually, they tell me that it is our internal matter, thanks to your meddling.
The Arab-wannabes are not Kashmiris.
They can get the hell out of our state or we will kick them out sooner or later once the secoolar losers are bunted out of rule in elections.
Simple as that.
once again the tread is about Pakistanis enemies. even though israel is an enemy nation , you need to stop bringing religion into this.
Don't twist my words and read my reply in your first quote above.
jihad means struggle, holy struggle.
it could be struggle against others or a struggle against yourself.
So basically it means striving to be a better person right?
How is killing unarmed civilians a struggle?
This simply means that those who claim to be doing jehad in middle east and even against our state are simply dishonouring your religion.
You should infact be angry with them rather than us kafirs.
obviously, if you want to bring religion into this we can but i rather not here we could debate other places.
Thank you for your offer but I have read enough doses of Arab cultural history here to hear it all over again from you.
Their culture is good for them and I am happy to be enlightened of what it encompasses.
and what is wrong with that? isnt that a basic human right? to protest?
or do you want us to stay quiet?
Protest all you want as it is your right. But arming and supplying hostile elements against our people is not protest.
It is blatant militancy which will simply be met with equal or even greater retaliation.
we dont complain unless it is violation of basic human rights.
Would you apply the same standards with separatists acting against your country?
After all they are also humans by the same logic you profess and have got rights.
its not islam vs other faiths.
that is between the other faiths and god simple as that.
But then why do you keep telling that unilaterally Muslims are being killed when they actually get brainwashed in other countries and be aggressive against the host communities of those non-Islamic nations?
This is what happened in Myanmar. The only reason you find it overtly aggressive is because the state faith there is Buddhism and the government did not appreciate communal aggression against Buddhists.
If you think that is wrong, then what about Russian army killing separatists who happen to be Muslims? Why howl and scream against Russia who is just protecting the integrity of their country?
I won't ask you about Israel because you guys will tell me the usual.
What about Thailand? A peaceful country and a famous tourist attraction. Why Muslims are attacking Buddhists and Hindus in the southern regions of Thailand? Why is a war being waged there?
What about Philippines? It is so far away from Islamic countries and yet is suffering from islamists. What has the Filipino population done against Islam to invite this problem?
What about the rioting in Nordic countries? What have they done against Islam? Instead, they invited so many Muslims from war-torn countries to come and lead a good, civil, educated life in their own country.
Can you explain any of the above?
Do you have anything from a neutral, intelligible perspective, to say without flowing with the whole ummah sentiment?
but if there is somebody that is killing muslims then it will be islam against group.
So here it is bias against those who are not Muslims.
So according to you, if a person is a Muslim and if he instigated aggression against a non-Muslim and the non-muslim beats him back, then the latter is guilty and the former is not?
Where is the logic in this?
if they are crushing radicals who want to kill others then that is good.
china is our ally and russia will is a friendly nation.
You are contradicting your own logic just once sentence above.
They both are also fighting against Muslim separatists.
So tell me, WHY are they exempted from your list of 'hostile-to-islam' countries?
what double standards?
your whole argument is flawed becuase pakistan it self is killing radicals who want to kill others weather they are islamists or not.
This was eventually to happen. The ones that you were taming turned against you because their taste for violence against people became insatiable and uncontrolled.
Now you are into this own trap that you set for others.
So why are you expecting support and sympathy for something that you created and got into trouble with it later?
Was it not your leaders' indecision and dangerous short-sight that created the dangers of this form of radical violence?
As leading representatives and decision makers in your country, was it not the fault of those sitting in the top echelons in your country, who did not see the long term effects of radicalizing the youths during the 80s?
Look at the Pakistan that you were before that; progressive, logical (aggressive to us but still mutually intelligible in diplomacy) and more like Turkey.
At that time, you guys were actually doing much better than us economically and especially with US and European support.
My interactions with your countrymen has been limited to just the voyages and travels that I undertake. But even by reading columns online written by Pakistanis, many youth are getting more and more disheartened at the situation your country has landed into.
Tell me; does this serve you well?
Does all this violence, religious violence, intra-religious sectarian violence, separatism, depressing economy, anger of the non-muslim world etc serve you well?
Because of such actions, your countrymen when travelling outside have to unfortunately face such thorough interrogations at airports and other areas with security checks. On my flight to Malaysia, we stopped at Swarnabhoomi airport in Thailand for a stop, where I came across Thai officials taking young Pakistani tourists aside and questioning and checking them while there was a look of sadness on their faces.
Those poor guys had probably just come for their holidays, only to be embarrassed in front of so many international people.
SO tell me, where are you going with this mindset of yours?
Will your future generations not be angry with this mentality of you guys, because of which, they are getting humiliated around the world?
ok well number one
i dont what your talking about.
I am talking about:
1- Aiding the massacre of Kashmiri Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and even liberal Shiite minorities during late 80s and their exile out of their homeland to ensure demographic uniformity.
You guys did it and our secoolar socialist cr@ppy government then tolerated it, whereas it should have been met by brute force of tanks and helicopter fire and rapid rehabilitation of those exiled with the expulsion of those who kicked them out
en masse.
2- Demographic warfare waged against non-Muslims in northeast India with riots like what happened last year in Assam under a secoolar regime.
It too went unnoticed because the rioters were of your ilk and the victims were either Assamese Hindus and some Christians.
These are two small examples where you should not expect us to tolerate and call us non-secular.
That's all.
and at PDF; we are at war 365 days a year and 24 hours a day!!!!
