Which Submarines should the RSNF go after?

[Yzd Khalifa]

Anymore thought you've got to add into the subject, please?
@Sinan @T-123456

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Oscar @Dillinger @Hyperion @Secur

Would love to hear you comments on the subject.

 

[kalu_miah]

Dolgorae shallow water sub is obsolete, so only option remaining for shallow water is KSS-500A:
Submarines: South Korea And The Little Wonders

As for the bigger 2000 ton range diesel electric sub with AIP, export version of Type 039A (Type 41) Yuan Class, AKA S20, is meant for both Bangladesh and Pakistan:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...est-chinese-sub-frigates-115.html#post3971316
Pakistan Submarine Import and Export Behavior | Articles | NTI Analysis | NTI

Pakistan may have had input in its design:
http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33878
Pakistan in Deal To Buy Chinese Subs: Report | Defense News | defensenews.com

Pakistan is working to develop its own nuclear sub, to balance threat from India’s nuclear sub:
Pakistani Navy to Develop Nuclear-Powered Submarines: Reports | Defense News | defensenews.com

People in this forum were also hoping that Pakistan gets Qing class Type 032 (Type 043) 6000 ton from China:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...est-chinese-sub-frigates-115.html#post4277441

Chinese subs are still noisy compared with Western designed subs:
China's Noisy Subs Get Busier -- And Easier to Track | Danger Room | Wired.com
Problems in China's submarine program?

But with constant research, they are improving every year and will eventually win:
Why Beijing Could Win the Great China-America Showdown of 2030 | Danger Room | Wired.com

So we should bet on China and build a relationship with them from early on. The subs will be cheaper and technology will be shared with Pakistan and I am hoping with Bangladesh also. And technology will be upgraded fast in coming decades and will become close to Western design subs.

So both Saudi and Pakistani S20 subs can be made in Karachi shipyard. Bangladesh may opt for made in China S20 for the first one and may eventually try to make it in Bangladesh Naval shipyard.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Cherokee @Contrarian

Another topic that I would like you guys to take a look into.

Thanks

 

[Contrarian]

@Cherokee @Contrarian

Another topic that I would like you guys to take a look into.

Thanks

This is fairly straightforward.

Considering the area of ops for Saudi Arabian Navy, Nuclear subs are not the way forward. The area is coastal and shallow, diesel-electric Submarines are by far the most suited for such areas.

Amongst the Diesel-Electric sub platforms:
1. German U-214/216
2. French Scorpene
3. Spanish S-80

The three of them are also in running for the next Submarines order by India. The previous competition was won by France - 6 Scorpenes are currently under construction in India.

The only additional sub competing in Indian competition is a Russian Lada. However considering Saudi Arabia's historical procurements, its safe to say Lada/Amur is out of contention.

So depending on the time frame for KSA's requirement it would be
For a short term purchase
U-214 or Scorpene
Both are nearly the same in technology. India however chose Scorpene because HDW was embroiled in political issues.

If the purchase is made after say 4-5 years, then U 216 would be practically the best option.