Which side should Pakistan support in Russia-Ukraine war?

[Qutb-ud-din-Aibak]

What kid?

apollon

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The questions is which side should Pakistan support in Russia-Ukraine war?

China is strongly supporting Russia. They have for all practical purposes formed a strong alliance against NATO & QUAD.

Russian President Putin has invited PMIK to visit Russia and PMIK is visiting Russia later this month.

So obviously Pakistan is expected to join China in backing Russia but the issue is not that simple.

Turkiye being a member of NATO is strongly backing Ukraine.

Also, Pakistan is still a major non-NATO ally.

PM Imran to visit Russia this month | The Express Tribune

Premier’s position towards West increasingly becoming defiant

tribune.com.pk

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PM Imran to visit Russia this month​

Premier’s position towards West increasingly becoming defiant

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Rizwan Shehzad February 07, 2022

PHOTO: APP

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ISLAMABAD:
Prime Minister Imran Khan’s position toward the West is becoming increasingly defiant as he set to visit Russia from February 23 to 25 after completing his “historic visit to China” and attending the Beijing Olympics, which the US and several other western countries had boycotted.
Diplomatic sources confirmed on Sunday evening that the premier was expected to undertake the “all crucial” visit of Moscow in the last week of February -- the first by a Pakistani premier in over two decades. Federal Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry refrained from confirming the development, saying that the foreign affairs ministry should be approached for this purpose.
The premier’s visit to Moscow is believed to be a clear signal to the West, especially after he clearly said “absolutely not” to Washington on giving bases in Pakistan following its withdrawal from Afghanistan and not receiving a phone call from US President Joe Biden since he assumed his office in the White House.
“Prime Minister Imran’s visit under the current circumstances is crucial,” a diplomat told The Express Tribune, requesting anonymity, while referring to the rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine and ultimately between Moscow and the West.
Also read: Islamabad, Moscow in talks for maiden Putin visit
The diplomat further said PM Imran and Russian President Vladimir Putin would exchange views on bilateral cooperation as well as regional and international issues of mutual interest. Recently, PM Imran while speaking to President Putin had lauded his statement on the issue of blasphemy.
In a telephonic conversation with Putin on January 17, PM Imran had underscored that Pakistan’s bilateral relationship with Russia was on an upward trajectory, with an increased focus on trade and economic ties and energy cooperation. He had reiterated the government’s resolve for early realisation of the Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline Project. According to PM Imran, he and Putin had agreed to enhance bilateral cooperation in different areas, increase high-level exchanges, and remain in close contact on matters relating to Afghanistan.
PM Imran had underscored that a peaceful and stable Afghanistan was pivotal for regional stability.
The official statement had attributed to the prime minister that he looked forward to President Putin’s visit to Pakistan as well as his own visit to Russia at an appropriate time. Now, the diplomatic sources have confirmed that the dates had been finalised and PM Imran and President Putin would be standing together in the last week of February if there are no last minute changes.
Also read: Ties with China 'cornerstone' of Pakistan’s foreign policy: PM
Following the diplomatic dispute between Russia and the West on Ukraine, Moscow has reoriented trade, seeking to replace Western imports and reducing its use of the US dollar. Putin’s recent meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping was also taken as a show of unity amid Moscow’s deteriorating relations with the West.
Last month, it was reported that Islamabad and Moscow were in talks to finalise a plan for what would be a landmark visit of the Russian president to Pakistan this year.
The visit was being discussed by the two sides for the last two years but could not be materialised because of a variety of reasons, including the Covid-19 pandemic. For the visit, Moscow wanted to have something “significant” ready before Putin finally undertook his trip to Pakistan.

We should support NONE of them. It's NONE of our business. European problems are not Pakistan's problems.

 

[Foinikas]

apollon

No,he's a completely different greek.

 

[mhosein]

The questions is which side should Pakistan support in Russia-Ukraine war?

China is strongly supporting Russia. They have for all practical purposes formed a strong alliance against NATO & QUAD.

Russian President Putin has invited PMIK to visit Russia and PMIK is visiting Russia later this month.

So obviously Pakistan is expected to join China in backing Russia but the issue is not that simple.

Turkiye being a member of NATO is strongly backing Ukraine.

Also, Pakistan is still a major non-NATO ally.

PM Imran to visit Russia this month | The Express Tribune

Premier’s position towards West increasingly becoming defiant

tribune.com.pk

​

PM Imran to visit Russia this month​

Premier’s position towards West increasingly becoming defiant

---

Rizwan Shehzad February 07, 2022

PHOTO: APP

---

ISLAMABAD:
Prime Minister Imran Khan’s position toward the West is becoming increasingly defiant as he set to visit Russia from February 23 to 25 after completing his “historic visit to China” and attending the Beijing Olympics, which the US and several other western countries had boycotted.
Diplomatic sources confirmed on Sunday evening that the premier was expected to undertake the “all crucial” visit of Moscow in the last week of February -- the first by a Pakistani premier in over two decades. Federal Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry refrained from confirming the development, saying that the foreign affairs ministry should be approached for this purpose.
The premier’s visit to Moscow is believed to be a clear signal to the West, especially after he clearly said “absolutely not” to Washington on giving bases in Pakistan following its withdrawal from Afghanistan and not receiving a phone call from US President Joe Biden since he assumed his office in the White House.
“Prime Minister Imran’s visit under the current circumstances is crucial,” a diplomat told The Express Tribune, requesting anonymity, while referring to the rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine and ultimately between Moscow and the West.
Also read: Islamabad, Moscow in talks for maiden Putin visit
The diplomat further said PM Imran and Russian President Vladimir Putin would exchange views on bilateral cooperation as well as regional and international issues of mutual interest. Recently, PM Imran while speaking to President Putin had lauded his statement on the issue of blasphemy.
In a telephonic conversation with Putin on January 17, PM Imran had underscored that Pakistan’s bilateral relationship with Russia was on an upward trajectory, with an increased focus on trade and economic ties and energy cooperation. He had reiterated the government’s resolve for early realisation of the Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline Project. According to PM Imran, he and Putin had agreed to enhance bilateral cooperation in different areas, increase high-level exchanges, and remain in close contact on matters relating to Afghanistan.
PM Imran had underscored that a peaceful and stable Afghanistan was pivotal for regional stability.
The official statement had attributed to the prime minister that he looked forward to President Putin’s visit to Pakistan as well as his own visit to Russia at an appropriate time. Now, the diplomatic sources have confirmed that the dates had been finalised and PM Imran and President Putin would be standing together in the last week of February if there are no last minute changes.
Also read: Ties with China 'cornerstone' of Pakistan’s foreign policy: PM
Following the diplomatic dispute between Russia and the West on Ukraine, Moscow has reoriented trade, seeking to replace Western imports and reducing its use of the US dollar. Putin’s recent meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping was also taken as a show of unity amid Moscow’s deteriorating relations with the West.
Last month, it was reported that Islamabad and Moscow were in talks to finalise a plan for what would be a landmark visit of the Russian president to Pakistan this year.
The visit was being discussed by the two sides for the last two years but could not be materialised because of a variety of reasons, including the Covid-19 pandemic. For the visit, Moscow wanted to have something “significant” ready before Putin finally undertook his trip to Pakistan.

Pakistan must maintain cordial and stable ties with both countries. This isn't the Cold War and the only ones picking sides, are either ones who want war or who are trying to avoid war.

For Pakistan, we must mind our business. If a side had to be picked however, then the answer is obvious, the Russian Federation.

 

[Chak Bamu]

1. Ukraine is an independent country & if we support its balkanization, we may rue it one day because a member of UNO is being dismembered. So no one should even think of supporting Russia no matter how stupid Ukrainians have been in dealing with Russia over the past many years.

2. Pakistan's interest with Russia is to the extent of our active JF-17 program because of RD-93. Our trade with Russia is much smaller than that compared with other Western countries. Naturally we can not indulge Russia, except for RD-93. However, if we switch from RD-93 to WS-13E we would mitigate this one risk by eliminating a dependency.

3. Being neutral is an option, but it is not a good option at all. This is what cowards do at a time of crisis. Pakistan must support Ukraine at least verbally. That is the least that can be done. Our stand shall be principled. We do not have to be part of a coalition or bloc but we must call a spade as spade - with diplomatic language if needed, but we must not accept Russian actions against a fellow member of UN. This is a bad precedent.

4. I see Russia walking into a quagmire of its own making. Being emotional about someone else's territory is not a good sign. Serbs did that & look at them now. Russia has overplayed its hand due to miscalculation & lost many friends in the process - Malaysia, for example.

5. IK must abandon his trip. We do not need Russian weapons. If IK goes ahead, he must bring up Ukraine & underline Pakistan's principled position. The language of self-interest is best spoken with actions, not words.

6. Remember folks, Pakistan's defense doctrine is to be able to withstand a two front war until we get UN & our friends involved. This is based on worst-case scenario that looks unlikely, but it is what it is. Would it not be a pity if we find that UN has stopped mattering at all & that nobody bothers with a principled position?

So, it is principles, trade, optics, in that order on one side & pretty much nothing on the other. Its a no-brainer, period.

 

[American Pakistani]

How’s that any different from Akhand Baharat?

And India claiming the IWC, and all the other civilisations that were centred in Pakistan?

And India occupying Indian Illegally occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

 

[wali87]

humain beygaani shaadi Main dewaana Abdullah nahi banna chahiye.

 

[Longhorn]

Yes. The food, the marriage customs, the skin tones, the curse words, the jokes and much else is more common between people of north west India and Pakistanis east of Indus river--and the bulk of Pakistanis live east of Indus river. West of Indus, the people tend to be more Middle Eastern or central Asian in social norms. Most Pakistanis east of Indus are able to more understand the various languages spoken in those regions and vice versa with people of north western India. Punjabi, Urdu, Sindhi and many others. But Pashto and Baluchi languages are not that easy to follow for most of Pakistanis living east of Indus river. Lines drawn by men some 70 odd years ago won't change the geographical facts written over countless centuries.
Coming back to the topic: Of course Pakistan should stay neutral! And as some other have suggested here, China is not going to too far in supporting Russia. The big three powers--USA, China and Russia--know how to throw their weight around against each other without going too far. You know that Russia maintains 'strategic ambiguity' about its relations with the West and China--Russia can change its posture for or against the West and China as the need comes. Similarly, It is a big gain for China to have America focused on issues like Ukraine and America draining its resources in the Middle East over Israel--just as it is a gain for China to have Pakistan keeping India occupied. The Ukraine crisis is good news for China.

Strategic ambiguity.
I like that phrase.
That is what Pakistan should do.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Strategic ambiguity.
I like that phrase.
That is what Pakistan should do.

Even China is not supporting Russia.

Pakistan should follow Chinese path.

 

[Shehryar Ashraf]

sometimes the winning move is not to make a move.
this is one of those times.

 

[EAGLE777]

Exactly.


Titanium has been banned,right? I thought he had his other account Battlion25

I miss Titanium

 

[Foinikas]

I miss Titanium

Of course you do,he supports Turkey all the time.

 

[BoggedDown]

Why should Pakistan support any of these parties. Let them kill each other.
Generally Christians, whites and west through out the history fell pleasure's when Muslims (to be frank any other third world nations, countries or race) kill each other and always busy instigate conflict among themselves.

So it is our time to enjoy the fight, let them have a good fight, hope it last as long as possible.

 

[EAGLE777]

Why should Pakistan support any of these parties. Let them kill each other.
Generally Christians, whites and west through out the history fell pleasure's when Muslims (to be frank any other third world nations, countries or race) kill each other and always busy instigate conflict among themselves.

So it is our time to enjoy the fight, let them have a good fight, hope it last as long as possible.

If you want them to eachother then you have to support both sides. Not remain neutral.

 

[Battlion25]

I miss Titanium

Me 2 brother. He was straight shooter and frank..

@The Eagle free Titanium bro