Which side should Pakistan support in Russia-Ukraine war?
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No stupid statements needed. Stay out of this mess. We cannot Afford to Alienate Europe and USA as they are our primary export markets. Neither is there a need to piss off Russia and China our Major defense partner.
Mr. Imran Khan is walking on thin ice. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
My Opinion: If he wants to stamp his authority, this is a one time opportunity to gain the trust of Russia. With China behind his back, add Russia! Pakistan went out of flavor with the west a long time ago.
My Opinion: If he wants to stamp his authority, this is a one time opportunity to gain the trust of Russia. With China behind his back, add Russia! Pakistan went out of flavor with the west a long time ago.
It is better to stay neutral. Noone knows the motives of Putin or his alignment. He didnt shoot down a single israeli plane in Syria is now turned a bear but at what cost. It justified nato expansion and playing hands to Usa. He didnt give a pawn in Syria but he is sacrificing bishop for Ukraine. I dont trust a chess player like that even think he sold the game to someone else. The other side nato is ofcourse not trustable and well known history of conflict . They might even made agreements behind the scenes and some countries could be used as bait like they did with Ukraine. It smells like a trap. Eu will make a more realistic up to date threat assessment after this dropping judgements from historical conflicts with Ottomans in feudal times and have a better more beneficial approach for everyone towards mideast gas and trade after things settle down in my opinion.
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What country did Hindus rule before 1947? Nepal?
IK going there was planned way before any war. It’s about economic projects both Pakistan and Russia are jointly investing in and little to do with the military situation unfolding in Europe.
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Neutral, for God sake stay neutral and no stupid comments.
Pakistan will be in a difficult situation maintaining neutrality.
Pakistan wants to side with the US but can not. Ultimately Pakistan has gone to Russia so we are going to have a better relationship with Russia in the coming days. Ukraine Pakistan has some defense ties but Pakistan is not going to support Ukraine in this conflict openly against Russia.
I am looking for Our PM's comments when He will say he knows Russia more than Russians know themselves and then give them lectures to stop invading Ukraine. We will see how he handle this tricky situation.
It is a real test of his character and craftsmanship. Does he able to bring any betterment for humankind in this crisis. For the majority of the people, he is not a genuine politician, It will be very challenging to handle such a fluid situation.
Pakistan wants to side with the US but can not. Ultimately Pakistan has gone to Russia so we are going to have a better relationship with Russia in the coming days. Ukraine Pakistan has some defense ties but Pakistan is not going to support Ukraine in this conflict openly against Russia.
I am looking for Our PM's comments when He will say he knows Russia more than Russians know themselves and then give them lectures to stop invading Ukraine. We will see how he handle this tricky situation.
It is a real test of his character and craftsmanship. Does he able to bring any betterment for humankind in this crisis. For the majority of the people, he is not a genuine politician, It will be very challenging to handle such a fluid situation.
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If he wants to keep his image as a pacifist he will have to condemn Russia and Putin.
Also India and Russia have been tied by the hip for the last 75 years, even Modi has kept putin happy while moving towards the US.
Don’t see why we have are convinced that Russia would ditch India for us, their relationship is similar to the one between us and China.
Will China replace Pakistan with India as the primary strategic partner? If no Russia wouldn’t do the same!
Also India and Russia have been tied by the hip for the last 75 years, even Modi has kept putin happy while moving towards the US.
Don’t see why we have are convinced that Russia would ditch India for us, their relationship is similar to the one between us and China.
Will China replace Pakistan with India as the primary strategic partner? If no Russia wouldn’t do the same!
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PM Imran Khan's policy of being a partner in peace is also true in this case. Support peace, not wars.
Russia is supporting peace in Afghanistan and Ukraine provides valuable food and defense items. We have no favorite among the.
Russia is supporting peace in Afghanistan and Ukraine provides valuable food and defense items. We have no favorite among the.
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Pakistan should support Russia by calling out America for their hypocrisy. At the same time Pakistan should ask Russian to exercise restrain.
Its important to promote Russian narrative. It was US and Nato forces who started exercising in Russian waters, ignoring Russian warnings. They want to include Ukraine in Nato and install their military equipment there. They are supporting pro Nato and anti Russian elements in Ukraine. Russia invited for talks, no use. Russia is exercising its right to defend itself from political engineering by US and allies.
Its important to promote Russian narrative. It was US and Nato forces who started exercising in Russian waters, ignoring Russian warnings. They want to include Ukraine in Nato and install their military equipment there. They are supporting pro Nato and anti Russian elements in Ukraine. Russia invited for talks, no use. Russia is exercising its right to defend itself from political engineering by US and allies.
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Pakistan should offer mediation and a peace keeping force, ask China to chip in as well as like Pakistan they also have deep rooted ties with both sides.
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AFP | BR Web Desk | APP
02 Mar, 2022
The UN General Assembly on Wednesday overwhelmingly adopted a resolution that "demands" Russia "immediately" withdraw from Ukraine, in a powerful rebuke of Moscow's invasion by a vast majority of the world's nations.
Japan and New Zealand led condemnation from Asia, but the continent's giants -- China, India, and Pakistan -- all abstained. During the debate, Beijing had stressed the world had "nothing to gain" from a new Cold War.
Pakistan skips resolution
While abstaining from the vote, Pakistan underscored the need for a diplomatic solution to the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, hoping that talks initiated between the two countries in Belarus would bring about an end to hostilities.
“Pakistan remains deeply concerned at the recent turn of events. This reflects a failure of diplomacy,” Ambassador Munir Akram said.
In his remarks at the special session – the eleventh called since the founding of the United Nations – Ambassador Akram said Prime Minister Imran Khan had regretted the latest situation between Russia and Ukraine and had hoped that diplomacy could avert military conflict.
“We have since repeatedly stressed the need for de-escalation, renewed negotiations, sustained dialogue, and continuous diplomacy,” the Pakistani envoy said.
“All efforts must be made to avoid further escalation of violence and loss of life as well as military, political and economic tensions, which can pose an unprecedented threat to international peace and security and global economic stability.
“As consistently underlined by Prime Minister Imran Khan, the developing countries are hit the hardest economically by conflict anywhere,” he said.
“We hope the talks initiated between representatives of the Russian Federation and Ukraine will succeed in bringing about a cessation of hostilities and normalization of the situation.
“A diplomatic solution in accordance with relevant multilateral agreements, international law, and provisions of the UN Charter is indispensable,” the Pakistan envoy added.
Ambassador Akram also voiced concern about the safety and welfare of Pakistani citizens and students in Ukraine, noting that the majority of them had been evacuated and that those who remain would move out soon.
“We appreciate the cooperation of the Ukrainian authorities as well as the Polish, Romanian and Hungarian governments in this context,” the Pakistani envoy said.
After more than two days of extraordinary debate which saw the Ukrainian ambassador accuse Russia of genocide, 141 out of 193 member states voted for the non-binding resolution.
The resolution "deplores" the invasion of Ukraine "in the strongest terms" and condemns President Vladimir Putin's decision to put his nuclear forces on alert.
The vote had been touted by diplomats as a bellwether of democracy in a world where autocracy is on the rise in countries from Myanmar to Venezuela and came as Putin's forces bear down on Kyiv while terrified Ukrainians flee.
"They have come to deprive Ukraine of the very right to exist," Ukraine's ambassador Sergiy Kyslytsya told the Assembly ahead of the vote.
"It's already clear that the goal of Russia is not an occupation only. It is genocide."
Putin launched the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24. Moscow has pleaded "self-defense" under Article 51 of the UN Charter.
But that has been roundly rejected by Western countries who accuse Moscow of violating Article 2 of the Charter, requiring UN members to refrain from the threat or use of force to resolve a crisis.
The text of the resolution -- led by European countries in coordination with Ukraine -- has undergone numerous changes in recent days.
It no longer "condemns" the invasion as initially expected, but instead "deplores in the strongest terms the Russian Federation's aggression against Ukraine."
'Who will be next?'
It also makes clear the United Nations is "condemning" Putin's decision to put his nuclear forces on alert, a move that ignited an immediate outcry from the West.
Nearly every General Assembly speaker unreservedly condemned the war and the risks of military escalation.
"If the United Nations has any purpose, it is to prevent war," the US ambassador, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, said during her speech on Wednesday.
She accused Russia of "preparing to increase the brutality of its campaign."
"We've seen videos of Russian forces moving exceptionally lethal weaponry into Ukraine, which has no place on the battlefield that includes cluster munitions and vacuum bombs, which are banned under the Geneva Convention," Thomas-Greenfield said.
Russia's ally Belarus offered a staunch defense of the invasion, however.
Ambassador Valentin Rybakov blasted sanctions imposed by the West on Russia as "the worst example of economic and financial terrorism."
And he followed other Russian allies such as Syria in condemning the "double standards" of Western nations who have invaded countries including Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan in recent decades.
Other speakers cited fears of a domino effect should Ukraine fall to Russia. Colombia railed against any return to "empire," while Albania wondered: "Who will be next?"
From the Arab world it was Kuwait, itself the victim of an invasion by Iraq in 1990, whose denunciation of Moscow was the most explicit, with the rest of the Middle East remaining in the background.
On the meeting's sidelines, Washington has taken aim at Russians working at the United Nations, leveling accusations of espionage and demanding expulsions.
US President Joe Biden asserted Tuesday in his State of the Union address that Putin had underestimated the response to the invasion..
"He rejected efforts at diplomacy... And, he thought he could divide us here at home," Biden said.
"Putin was wrong. We were ready."
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Pakistan, India and China abstain as UNGA votes on Russia-Ukraine conflict
- Resolution wins support from 141 of the 193-member United Nations General Assembly
AFP | BR Web Desk | APP
02 Mar, 2022
The UN General Assembly on Wednesday overwhelmingly adopted a resolution that "demands" Russia "immediately" withdraw from Ukraine, in a powerful rebuke of Moscow's invasion by a vast majority of the world's nations.
Japan and New Zealand led condemnation from Asia, but the continent's giants -- China, India, and Pakistan -- all abstained. During the debate, Beijing had stressed the world had "nothing to gain" from a new Cold War.
Pakistan skips resolution
While abstaining from the vote, Pakistan underscored the need for a diplomatic solution to the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine, hoping that talks initiated between the two countries in Belarus would bring about an end to hostilities.
“Pakistan remains deeply concerned at the recent turn of events. This reflects a failure of diplomacy,” Ambassador Munir Akram said.
In his remarks at the special session – the eleventh called since the founding of the United Nations – Ambassador Akram said Prime Minister Imran Khan had regretted the latest situation between Russia and Ukraine and had hoped that diplomacy could avert military conflict.
“We have since repeatedly stressed the need for de-escalation, renewed negotiations, sustained dialogue, and continuous diplomacy,” the Pakistani envoy said.
“All efforts must be made to avoid further escalation of violence and loss of life as well as military, political and economic tensions, which can pose an unprecedented threat to international peace and security and global economic stability.
“As consistently underlined by Prime Minister Imran Khan, the developing countries are hit the hardest economically by conflict anywhere,” he said.
“We hope the talks initiated between representatives of the Russian Federation and Ukraine will succeed in bringing about a cessation of hostilities and normalization of the situation.
“A diplomatic solution in accordance with relevant multilateral agreements, international law, and provisions of the UN Charter is indispensable,” the Pakistan envoy added.
Ambassador Akram also voiced concern about the safety and welfare of Pakistani citizens and students in Ukraine, noting that the majority of them had been evacuated and that those who remain would move out soon.
“We appreciate the cooperation of the Ukrainian authorities as well as the Polish, Romanian and Hungarian governments in this context,” the Pakistani envoy said.
After more than two days of extraordinary debate which saw the Ukrainian ambassador accuse Russia of genocide, 141 out of 193 member states voted for the non-binding resolution.
The resolution "deplores" the invasion of Ukraine "in the strongest terms" and condemns President Vladimir Putin's decision to put his nuclear forces on alert.
The vote had been touted by diplomats as a bellwether of democracy in a world where autocracy is on the rise in countries from Myanmar to Venezuela and came as Putin's forces bear down on Kyiv while terrified Ukrainians flee.
"They have come to deprive Ukraine of the very right to exist," Ukraine's ambassador Sergiy Kyslytsya told the Assembly ahead of the vote.
"It's already clear that the goal of Russia is not an occupation only. It is genocide."
Putin launched the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24. Moscow has pleaded "self-defense" under Article 51 of the UN Charter.
But that has been roundly rejected by Western countries who accuse Moscow of violating Article 2 of the Charter, requiring UN members to refrain from the threat or use of force to resolve a crisis.
The text of the resolution -- led by European countries in coordination with Ukraine -- has undergone numerous changes in recent days.
It no longer "condemns" the invasion as initially expected, but instead "deplores in the strongest terms the Russian Federation's aggression against Ukraine."
'Who will be next?'
It also makes clear the United Nations is "condemning" Putin's decision to put his nuclear forces on alert, a move that ignited an immediate outcry from the West.
Nearly every General Assembly speaker unreservedly condemned the war and the risks of military escalation.
"If the United Nations has any purpose, it is to prevent war," the US ambassador, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, said during her speech on Wednesday.
She accused Russia of "preparing to increase the brutality of its campaign."
"We've seen videos of Russian forces moving exceptionally lethal weaponry into Ukraine, which has no place on the battlefield that includes cluster munitions and vacuum bombs, which are banned under the Geneva Convention," Thomas-Greenfield said.
Russia's ally Belarus offered a staunch defense of the invasion, however.
Ambassador Valentin Rybakov blasted sanctions imposed by the West on Russia as "the worst example of economic and financial terrorism."
And he followed other Russian allies such as Syria in condemning the "double standards" of Western nations who have invaded countries including Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan in recent decades.
Other speakers cited fears of a domino effect should Ukraine fall to Russia. Colombia railed against any return to "empire," while Albania wondered: "Who will be next?"
From the Arab world it was Kuwait, itself the victim of an invasion by Iraq in 1990, whose denunciation of Moscow was the most explicit, with the rest of the Middle East remaining in the background.
On the meeting's sidelines, Washington has taken aim at Russians working at the United Nations, leveling accusations of espionage and demanding expulsions.
US President Joe Biden asserted Tuesday in his State of the Union address that Putin had underestimated the response to the invasion..
"He rejected efforts at diplomacy... And, he thought he could divide us here at home," Biden said.
"Putin was wrong. We were ready."
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Turkey mufft mein uchal rha haiThe questions is which side should Pakistan support in Russia-Ukraine war?
China is strongly supporting Russia. They have for all practical purposes formed a strong alliance against NATO & QUAD.
Russian President Putin has invited PMIK to visit Russia and PMIK is visiting Russia later this month.
So obviously Pakistan is expected to join China in backing Russia but the issue is not that simple.
Turkiye being a member of NATO is strongly backing Ukraine.
Also, Pakistan is still a major non-NATO ally.
PM Imran to visit Russia this month | The Express Tribune
Premier’s position towards West increasingly becoming defianttribune.com.pk
PM Imran to visit Russia this month
Premier’s position towards West increasingly becoming defiant
Rizwan Shehzad February 07, 2022
PHOTO: APP
ISLAMABAD:
Prime Minister Imran Khan’s position toward the West is becoming increasingly defiant as he set to visit Russia from February 23 to 25 after completing his “historic visit to China” and attending the Beijing Olympics, which the US and several other western countries had boycotted.
Diplomatic sources confirmed on Sunday evening that the premier was expected to undertake the “all crucial” visit of Moscow in the last week of February -- the first by a Pakistani premier in over two decades. Federal Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry refrained from confirming the development, saying that the foreign affairs ministry should be approached for this purpose.
The premier’s visit to Moscow is believed to be a clear signal to the West, especially after he clearly said “absolutely not” to Washington on giving bases in Pakistan following its withdrawal from Afghanistan and not receiving a phone call from US President Joe Biden since he assumed his office in the White House.
“Prime Minister Imran’s visit under the current circumstances is crucial,” a diplomat told The Express Tribune, requesting anonymity, while referring to the rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine and ultimately between Moscow and the West.
Also read: Islamabad, Moscow in talks for maiden Putin visit
The diplomat further said PM Imran and Russian President Vladimir Putin would exchange views on bilateral cooperation as well as regional and international issues of mutual interest. Recently, PM Imran while speaking to President Putin had lauded his statement on the issue of blasphemy.
In a telephonic conversation with Putin on January 17, PM Imran had underscored that Pakistan’s bilateral relationship with Russia was on an upward trajectory, with an increased focus on trade and economic ties and energy cooperation. He had reiterated the government’s resolve for early realisation of the Pakistan Stream Gas Pipeline Project. According to PM Imran, he and Putin had agreed to enhance bilateral cooperation in different areas, increase high-level exchanges, and remain in close contact on matters relating to Afghanistan.
PM Imran had underscored that a peaceful and stable Afghanistan was pivotal for regional stability.
The official statement had attributed to the prime minister that he looked forward to President Putin’s visit to Pakistan as well as his own visit to Russia at an appropriate time. Now, the diplomatic sources have confirmed that the dates had been finalised and PM Imran and President Putin would be standing together in the last week of February if there are no last minute changes.
Also read: Ties with China 'cornerstone' of Pakistan’s foreign policy: PM
Following the diplomatic dispute between Russia and the West on Ukraine, Moscow has reoriented trade, seeking to replace Western imports and reducing its use of the US dollar. Putin’s recent meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping was also taken as a show of unity amid Moscow’s deteriorating relations with the West.
Last month, it was reported that Islamabad and Moscow were in talks to finalise a plan for what would be a landmark visit of the Russian president to Pakistan this year.
The visit was being discussed by the two sides for the last two years but could not be materialised because of a variety of reasons, including the Covid-19 pandemic. For the visit, Moscow wanted to have something “significant” ready before Putin finally undertook his trip to Pakistan.
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