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Where will Bangladeshis go after Bangladesh dissappears due to Global Warming? [Serious Video]

This video maker is talking about flooding within our lifetime yet showing hypothetical maps that are created to show sea level rise if all the earth's ice is melted completely including East Antarctica ice-sheet(which contain 80 percent of world's total ice and not in danger to melt). This is a very misleading video only to increase Youtube view count by scare tactic. If all the ice in the world melt which is only possible in a runaway greenhouse emission scenario then it will take at least 5,000 to 10,000 years to melt completely and then sea level will rise by 66 meter. The map shown in video and all the talking this video maker is doing is related to that complete melt and 66 meter sea level rise scenario. But this scenario will not happen for two reasons-

1. East Antarctica ice-sheet which is the coldest place on Earth had survived much warmer period earlier and can survive present and future warm temperature(unless greenhouse effect became runaway in all fossil fuel burning scenario including all those hundreds of trillions of ton coal still under ground). In fact after it's formation in 50 million years ago East Antarctica ice-sheet never melted completely.

2.Mankind will switch to renewable energy much much before burning all the fossil fuel in the ground. World is already phasing-out coal, rapidly adopting electric car, and solar and wind electric power plant is exploding. In this trajectory it is very unlikely that we will see runaway green house gas emission or threat to East Antarctica melting. In fact we are heading towards 'Global net zero emission' in not to distant future. Already many countries passed their peak emission and marching towards 'net zero emission'.

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World's mainstream climate change scientists are predicting 1 to 2 meter maximum sea level rise by 2100 AD if world failed to implement Paris climate agreement. Some study shows 0.7 to 1.4 meter sea level rise by 2300AD. Not 66 meters or complete melting this video using under the misleading title of ''within our lifetime''.

One to two meter sea level rise is a threat to Bangladesh but it is not an existential. Bangladesh govt. has taken a long term project called 'Deltaplan 2100AD' to mitigate all the adverse effect emanating from possible sea level rise. Under this project Bangladesh govt. in collaboration with Netherlands will build coastal dyke, polders,mangrove forest(which protect and elevate soil), coastal polreds cum highways which will acts as a barrier to any possible sea level rise. Under this plan Bangladesh will spend 37 billion Dollar by 2030 in first phase. It will add 6,000 square kilometers of land through land reclamation project. Read more-

Moreover, Bangladesh's extensive Ganges-Brahmaputra river system each year carry 1.2 billion ton of river silt to the coast and naturally creating land and elevating the coastline. This will naturally counter any possible sea level rise. in fact Bangladesh's land mass is growing on average 16 square kilometers per year. Entire Southern Bangladesh is formed by this phenomenon over thousands of years and it will continue. So, although sea level rise is potentially going to submerge some other places in the world, but not in a dynamic delta region of Bangladesh.

This topic is extensively discussed in this forum and tons of materials here which totally debunk this propaganda of 'Bangladesh going underwater/disappearing'.
Read these threads-

Bangladesh: Land formation in coastal areas

Bangladesh Govt eyes 10,000 square km land from sea thru reclamation

Land area of Bangladesh is growing 16 square kilometers a year.

Bangladesh drowning: A reality or a myth?

New huge Bangladeshi lands are rising in Bay of Bengal (video)

Bangladesh Delta Plan 2100 - a mega plan in the making to counter sea level rise

Vast new landmass in Sandwip area raises hope for Bangladesh

Country gets new land

New islands are rising in the Bay of Bengal

Bangladesh’s dynamic coastal regions and sea-level rise.

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How can whole Bangladesh be underwater when maximum possible rise of sea level is 66 meter( taking into account of all the ice in world melt including all of Antarctica!) ?

Chittagong hill tract of Bangladesh is average 600 meter above sea level. Part of northern plain in Bangladesh is more than 66 meter above sea level. These place will never be underwater even if all the ice in the world to melt. 66 meter sea level rise will never happen as I have discussed in earlier post. All the people here are talking about a thing which is not real, based on a misleading video.

Even if we assume sea level will rise 66 meters, under runaway greenhouse gas emission scenario, it will take at least 5,000 to 10,000 years, yet put headline 'within our life time' which is very misleading and dishonest.
I partly agree. These are all just projections...just fancy guesses. But sea levels rise can not be denied. A 60 meter rise will not happen in our life time. But even a 3 meter rise (which could happen by 2100) would put a large chunk of Bangladesh under water (maybe 25%). A Netherlands type dike defense may not be economically feasible once sea level rise is past 2M (this is according to Dutch experts). Relocation becomes more economically viable at higher amounts of sea level rise. If building large sea walls was cheap and easy....whole world would be doing it to expand their land areas.

We must all also consider that Bangladesh will be in demographic decline in the last half of the century...so the amount of people that will have to be moved will be less then people think. Most will be relocated internally inside Bangladesh. Some will go abroad (western countries would be preferred choices). Not much different then today I think.
 
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A Netherlands type dike defense may not be economically feasible once sea level rise is past 2M (this is according to Dutch experts). Relocation becomes more economically viable at higher
Everything is economically feasible when you are threatened with loss of your home, livelihood and more. I don't know which Dutch expert claim that 2m thing, but the truth is Netherlands already created an entire province called Flevoland which sits 6.59 meter below sea level. If sea level rise by 6.59 meter in future, then the Dutch lands which is now at sea level will just become another Flevoland.

But unlike Netherlands, Bangladesh will not entirely depends on dike or sea wall to protect it's coastline. As I have mentioned in earlier post, our rivers each year depositing 1.2 billion ton of silt in the coastal region creating 16 sq. km of new land. We can greatly accelerate this new land formation by dredging. Look at this island, Bhasan Char, currently Bangladesh govt. using to relocate Rohingya refugees and getting a lot of attention. Just three decades ago it did not exist! It gradually formed due to silt accumulation.
Such type of Islands are always forming in the coastal areas of Bangladesh. It is true, some land also eroding in coastal areas(which you see in the documentaries). But land formation is greater than land erosion in coastal region which is not shown in those documentaries. Perhaps it will dampen the alarm!

Our another weapon aganist sea level rise is creating mangrove forest along the coastline. Mangrove naturally elevate the land and protect it from washing away. We have the largest Mangrove forest in the world. Sundarban. Govt. also creating thousands of acres new Mangrove forest in newly raise islands.

But even a 3 meter rise (which could happen by 2100) would put a large chunk of Bangladesh under water (maybe 25%).
The worst case scenario for 2100AD is 2.38 meter. And it's probability is just 5%.
It may happen if we continue to burn fossil fuel at accelerated rate. But the fact is many big, indstrialized countries are past peak emission. Some countries like UK, Sweden are aiming at 'net zero emission' by 2050. coal is being phasing out through out the planet. Electric car is booming(which will greatly reduce oil demands), Solar and wind power plants now economically feasible and rapidly being expanded. So, I don't find any reason why emission will continue as usual or even rise in the future. If anything we should look for lower end of sea level rise. Which is 62 cm by 2100AD.
 
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Everything is economically feasible when you are threatened with loss of your home, livelihood and more. I don't know which Dutch expert claim that 2m thing, but the truth is Netherlands already created an entire province called Flevoland which sits 6.59 meter below sea level. If sea level rise by 6.59 meter in future, then the Dutch lands which is now at sea level will just become another Flevoland.

But unlike Netherlands, Bangladesh will not entirely depends on dike or sea wall to protect it's coastline. As I have mentioned in earlier post, our rivers each year depositing 1.2 billion ton of silt in the coastal region creating 16 sq. km of new land. We can greatly accelerate this new land formation by dredging. Look at this island, Bhasan Char, currently Bangladesh govt. using to relocate Rohingya refugees and getting a lot of attention. Just three decades ago it did not exist! It gradually formed due to silt accumulation.
Such type of Islands are always forming in the coastal areas of Bangladesh.. It is true, some land also eroding in coastal areas(which you see in the documentaries). But land formation is greater than land erosion in coastal region which is not shown in those documentaries. Perhaps it will dampen the alarm!

Our another weapon aganist sea level rise is creating mangrove forest along the coastline. Mangrove naturally elevate the land and protect it from washing away. We have the largest Mangrove forest in the world. Sundarban. Govt. also creating thousands of acres new Mangrove forest in newly raise islands.


The worst case scenario for 2100AD is 2.38 meter. And it's probability is just 5%.
It may happen if we continue to burn fossil fuel at accelerated rate. But the fact is many big, indstrialized countries are past peak emission. Some countries like UK, Sweden are aiming at 'net zero emission' by 2050. coal is being phasing out through out the planet. Electric car is booming(which will greatly reduce oil demands), Solar and wind power plants now economically feasible and rapidly being expanded. So, I don't find any reason why emission will continue as usual or even rise in the future. If anything we should look for lower end of sea level rise. Which is 62 cm by 2100AD.
Costal infrastructure would have to be large enough to handle storm surge from bigger and bigger cyclones in addition to the sea level rise. Tropical storms do not occur in the Netherlands. As sea level rise continues higher and higher....cost to engineer solutions will get higher and higher. At some point relocation will be cheaper.
 
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I think this map might be useful for further discussions

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Costal infrastructure would have to be large enough to handle storm surge from bigger and bigger cyclones in addition to the sea level rise. Tropical storms do not occur in the Netherlands. As sea level rise continues higher and higher....cost to engineer solutions will get higher and higher. At some point relocation will be cheaper.
Relocation will only be cheaper in sparsely populated coastal regions which involve relocating a few people and abandoning a few properties. This is not the case with Bangladesh. It's coastal region is heavily populated, Chittagong city alone contain 6 million people, moreover, most of the current and future mega infrastructure projects are planned in coastal areas. Abandoning all of these means relocating at least 30 -40 million people and abandoning trillion Dollars worth of properties. One acre of private land in Chittagong city center is worth several million Dollars. Who will be willing to abandon such a property?

Now think about millions of such properties and economic ruin for all those abandoned infrastructure govt. built for all those years. Is it possible? If anything, raising a great wall 70 meter high encompassing all of our 580 km coastline would be less economically damaging. It may cost hundreds of billions of Dollar, but still less costly than uprooting 40 million people and abandoning all those properties and infrastructures. We do not need to raise a great wall 70 meter high, all we have to do is to elevate our coastline a few meters high using dredging technology.

You are forgetting that, Bangladesh govt. is already committed 37 billion Dollars spending by 2030 to tackle climate change and sea level rise in 'Delta plan 2100AD' project. It is the largest project in Bangladesh's history. It will continue up to 2100 AD spending potentially many hundreds of Billions of Dollars. It will reclaim 6,000 square kilometers of land from Bay of Bengal.
Bangladesh Delta Plan 2100 - a mega plan in the making to counter sea level rise

So far, Bangladesh already reclaimed 1000 sq. km land from the Bay. It is only recently that govt. is taking land reclamation project seriously. There are tens of thousands of Square kilometer lands in Bangladesh's part of Bay of Bengal which lay just a few meters under water. We can reclaim those land like the Dutch have done.


Read another report.-
Bangladesh gaining land, not losing: Scientists
By
Geospatial World
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2 Minutes Read

Bangladesh – New data shows that Bangladesh’s landmass is increasing, contradicting forecasts that the South Asian nation will be under the waves by the end of the century, experts say.


Scientists from the Dhaka-based Center for Environment and Geographic Information Services (CEGIS) have studied 32 years of satellite images and say Bangladesh’s landmass has increased by 20 square kilometres (eight square miles) annually.

Maminul Haque Sarker, head of the department at the government-owned centre that looks at boundary changes, said sediment which travelled down the big Himalayan rivers the Ganges and the Brahmaputra — had caused the landmass to increase.

The rivers, which meet in the centre of Bangladesh, carry more than a billion tonnes of sediment every year and most of it comes to rest on the southern coastline of the country in the Bay of Bengal where new territory is forming, he said in an interview on Tuesday.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has predicted that impoverished Bangladesh, criss-crossed by a network of more than 200 rivers, will lose 17 per cent of its land by 2050 because of rising sea levels due to global warming.
The Nobel Peace Prize-winning panel says 20 million

Bangladeshis will become environmental refugees by 2050 and the country will lose some 30 per cent of its food production.
Director of the US-based NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, professor James Hansen, paints an even grimmer picture, predicting the entire country could be under water by the end of the century.

But Sarker said that while rising sea levels and river erosion were both claiming land in Bangladesh, many climate experts had failed to take into account new land being formed from the river sediment.

“Satellite images dating back to 1973 and old maps earlier than that show some 1,000 square kilometres of land have raised from the sea,” Sarker said.


“A rise in sea level will offset this and slow the gains made by new territories, but there will still be an increase in land. We think that in the next 50 years we may get another 1,000 square kilometres of land.”

Mahfuzur Rahman, head of Bangladesh Water Development Board’s Coastal Study and Survey Department, has also been analysing the buildup of land on the coast.

He said findings by the IPCC and other climate change scientists were too general and did not explore the benefits of land accretion.

“For almost a decade we have heard experts saying Bangladesh will be under water, but so far our data has shown nothing like this,” he said.

“Natural accretion has been going on here for hundreds of years along the estuaries and all our models show it will go on for decades or centuries into the future.”

Dams built along the country’s southern coast in the 1950s and 1960s had helped reclaim a lot of land and he believed with the use of new technology, Bangladesh could speed up the accretion process, he said.

“The land Bangladesh has lost so far has been caused by river erosion, which has always happened in this country. Natural accretion due to sedimentation and dams has more than compensated this loss,” Rahman said. Bangladesh, a country of 140 million people, has built a series of dykes to prevent flooding.

“If we build more dams using superior technology, we may be able to reclaim 4,000 to 5,000 square kilometres in the near future,” Rahman said.

 
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Current sea level rise is 1/8 inch every year. If this rate stays same sea level will rise about a foot in next 100 years.
Sea level rise will dilute water salinity as sea ice content almost has no salt.
 
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Relocation will only be cheaper in sparsely populated coastal regions which involve relocating a few people and abandoning a few properties. This is not the case with Bangladesh. It's coastal region is heavily populated, Chittagong city alone contain 6 million people, moreover, most of the current and future mega infrastructure projects are planned in coastal areas. Abandoning all of these means relocating at least 30 -40 million people and abandoning trillion Dollars worth of properties. One acre of private land in Chittagong city center is worth several million Dollars. Who will be willing to abandon such a property?

Now think about millions of such properties and economic ruin for all those abandoned infrastructure govt. built for all those years. Is it possible? If anything, raising a great wall 70 meter high encompassing all of our 580 km coastline would be less economically damaging. It may cost hundreds of billions of Dollar, but still less costly than uprooting 40 million people and abandoning all those properties and infrastructures. We do not need to raise a great wall 70 meter high, all we have to do is to elevate our coastline a few meters high using dredging technology.

You are forgetting that, Bangladesh govt. is already committed 37 billion Dollars spending by 2030 to tackle climate change and sea level rise in 'Delta plan 2100AD' project. It is the largest project in Bangladesh's history. It will continue up to 2100 AD spending potentially many hundreds of Billions of Dollars. It will reclaim 6,000 square kilometers of land from Bay of Bengal.
Bangladesh Delta Plan 2100 - a mega plan in the making to counter sea level rise

So far, Bangladesh already reclaimed 1000 sq. km land from the Bay. It is only recently that govt. is taking land reclamation project seriously. There are tens of thousands of Square kilometer lands in Bangladesh's part of Bay of Bengal which lay just a few meters under water. We can reclaim those land like the Dutch have done.


Read another report.-
Bangladesh gaining land, not losing: Scientists
By
Geospatial World
-
2 Minutes Read

Bangladesh – New data shows that Bangladesh’s landmass is increasing, contradicting forecasts that the South Asian nation will be under the waves by the end of the century, experts say.


Scientists from the Dhaka-based Center for Environment and Geographic Information Services (CEGIS) have studied 32 years of satellite images and say Bangladesh’s landmass has increased by 20 square kilometres (eight square miles) annually.

Maminul Haque Sarker, head of the department at the government-owned centre that looks at boundary changes, said sediment which travelled down the big Himalayan rivers the Ganges and the Brahmaputra — had caused the landmass to increase.

The rivers, which meet in the centre of Bangladesh, carry more than a billion tonnes of sediment every year and most of it comes to rest on the southern coastline of the country in the Bay of Bengal where new territory is forming, he said in an interview on Tuesday.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has predicted that impoverished Bangladesh, criss-crossed by a network of more than 200 rivers, will lose 17 per cent of its land by 2050 because of rising sea levels due to global warming.
The Nobel Peace Prize-winning panel says 20 million

Bangladeshis will become environmental refugees by 2050 and the country will lose some 30 per cent of its food production.
Director of the US-based NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, professor James Hansen, paints an even grimmer picture, predicting the entire country could be under water by the end of the century.

But Sarker said that while rising sea levels and river erosion were both claiming land in Bangladesh, many climate experts had failed to take into account new land being formed from the river sediment.

“Satellite images dating back to 1973 and old maps earlier than that show some 1,000 square kilometres of land have raised from the sea,” Sarker said.


“A rise in sea level will offset this and slow the gains made by new territories, but there will still be an increase in land. We think that in the next 50 years we may get another 1,000 square kilometres of land.”

Mahfuzur Rahman, head of Bangladesh Water Development Board’s Coastal Study and Survey Department, has also been analysing the buildup of land on the coast.

He said findings by the IPCC and other climate change scientists were too general and did not explore the benefits of land accretion.

“For almost a decade we have heard experts saying Bangladesh will be under water, but so far our data has shown nothing like this,” he said.

“Natural accretion has been going on here for hundreds of years along the estuaries and all our models show it will go on for decades or centuries into the future.”

Dams built along the country’s southern coast in the 1950s and 1960s had helped reclaim a lot of land and he believed with the use of new technology, Bangladesh could speed up the accretion process, he said.

“The land Bangladesh has lost so far has been caused by river erosion, which has always happened in this country. Natural accretion due to sedimentation and dams has more than compensated this loss,” Rahman said. Bangladesh, a country of 140 million people, has built a series of dykes to prevent flooding.

“If we build more dams using superior technology, we may be able to reclaim 4,000 to 5,000 square kilometres in the near future,” Rahman said.



1/3 of Bangladesh was already under water due to heavy rains this year according to this news report. Problem is multi-dimensional. You can surround Bangladesh with huge walls but it can still be flooded by heavy rains. You will have to build a large dome on top of those huge walls. Something like this may work:

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1/3 of Bangladesh was already under water due to heavy rains this year according to this news report. Problem is multi-dimensional. You can surround Bangladesh with huge walls but it can still be flooded by heavy rains. You will have to build a large dome on top of those huge walls. Something like this may work:

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Every year during monsoon season at least one-quarter to one third of Bangladesh get flooded. It is nothing new, It always happened and will always happen in the future. Bangladeshi people are well adapted with this natural phenomenon and do not feel any crisis. This annual flooding is not all bad, it increases the soil fertility, elevate the soil a few milimeter every year by depositing river silt over the flood plain. We do not need any protection from heavy rain or flooding. This rain and flooding is the reason why Bangladesh produce a lot of harvest on a relatively modest amount of land. Show me any other country in the world which produce as much food as Bangladesh on a similar sized land? Here we get three crops in a same plot of land year after year without loosing the soil fertility. Ample rain fall and Annual flooding is a big part of this bounty. So whatever the flood takes away from us, it gives much more than that.
 
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2.Mankind will switch to renewable energy much much before burning all the fossil fuel in the ground. World is already phasing-out coal, rapidly adopting electric car, and solar and wind electric power plant is exploding.

For a couple of months I have been swamping the forum with mentions of the under-development Nano Diamond Battery which produces electricity through a Carbon-14 radioactive core. :D

This battery tech can be used in almost all applications - from a heart pacemaker to a cell phone to a clothes iron box to a lamp to spacecraft.

The designers claim that by 2040 their tech will enable removal of all current power infrastructures like power stations, cross country high tension power lines, city substations, neighborhood transformers and power lines etc. The designers also claim that their tech, depending on the application of the battery, the battery will last from nine years to 90 years to 28,000 years.

The big companies who manufacture components for current power generation methods will be very angry.

Website.

And you should read this interview of NDB people in which they speak about first prototypes, pricing, battery life and other things.
 
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For a couple of months I have been swamping the forum with mentions of the under-development Nano Diamond Battery which produces electricity through a Carbon-14 radioactive core. :D

This battery tech can be used in almost all applications - from a heart pacemaker to a cell phone to a clothes iron box to a lamp to spacecraft.

The designers claim that by 2040 their tech will enable removal of all current power infrastructures like power stations, cross country high tension power lines, city substations, neighborhood transformers and power lines etc. The designers also claim that their tech, depending on the application of the battery, the battery will last from nine years to 90 years to 28,000 years.

The big companies who manufacture components for current power generation methods will be very angry.

Website.

And you should read this interview of NDB people in which they speak about first prototypes, pricing, battery life and other things.



you know they were saying this about Fusion too since the last 70 years..I am very skeptical about Quantum Leaps

Fusion Energy’s Dreamers, Hucksters, and Loons
 
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you know they were saying this about Fusion too since the last 70 years..I am very skeptical about Quantum Leaps

Fusion Energy’s Dreamers, Hucksters, and Loons

Your article mentions the ICF ( Inertial Confinement Fusion ) as the method being still tested in the NCF place. Neither this place nor the ITER have been successful in coming up with a consumer-grade electric generator.

But I think NDB, if it comes about in a year or so, will be as a different-level thinking as SpaceX which right from the start decided that it build the machinery to get to Mars.

All those fusion power facilities should rethink their methods. In my humble opinion, start on a clean slate.

If you read that interview of NDB's leaders they say that their lab is closed because of COVID. Let's wait for NDB to restart their research and come out with a prototype.

Lastly, even in my non-physicist POV the two most visible fusion projects ( ITER and NCF ) don't seem to be aiming at application-level miniaturization but NDB is.
 
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I have said this before and will say again quiete clearly.

if Bangladesh or its people God forbid are in such situation. Only Pakistan will be able to save them and provide a proper homeland.

now the dependencies for this is that how many refugees will we be able to realistically take in? How will we decide what refugees to take in?

my take on this is that those who have nationalistic pro pakistani views should be resettled in balochistan. Balochistan is45% of our land mass with only 10 million people. We can possibly relocate 20-30 million pro pakistani bengalis there theoritically speaking.
 
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I have said this before and will say again quiete clearly.

if Bangladesh or its people God forbid are in such situation. Only Pakistan will be able to save them and provide a proper homeland.

now the dependencies for this is that how many refugees will we be able to realistically take in? How will we decide what refugees to take in?

my take on this is that those who have nationalistic pro pakistani views should be resettled in balochistan. Balochistan is45% of our land mass with only 10 million people. We can possibly relocate 20-30 million pro pakistani bengalis there theoritically speaking.
Reunification is not realistic at all. Current establishment in Bangladesh derives its authority from anti-Pakistan rhetoric.

Where Pakistan can help them is in building materials for their land reclamation and sea wall solutions. Sand, rocks and concrete raw materials exist in huge quantities in Pakistan. Uncontrolled, unregulated sand and silt mining in Bangladesh is a big problem according to this recent report from Al Jazeera. It is ruining much farm land in rural areas owned by poor peoples that can't challenge the urban building mafias.

 
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