Where Hindus join Shias to mourn Imam Hussain.

[Don Jaguar]

Don it is a myth that only 72 people fought at Karbala.

No its not a myth.

 

[punit]

NON of the above BUT the false claim of Hindu Brahmins that they are linage of the Prophet (PBUH).

its their believe and no one knows the real truth apart form almighty. anyway in a country like India with so many web tangled intermixed ethnicity, societies, etc .. no claim can be rejected downright.

 

[Spring Onion]

I do not know the story properly and so cannot understand who you are calling bastards.

Was Yazid a Persian or Arab? Cause we have a place called Yazd and Yazdi is a common name amongst us .....

We are the bastards?

NO you are NOT the bastrad. And it also has nothing to do with persian or arab. The bastards know themselves as well who they are

its their believe and no one knows the real truth apart form almighty. anyway in a country like India with so many web tangled intermixed ethnicity, societies, etc .. no claim can be rejected downright.

the claim of Hindus can be rejected. Because either they can be Hindus or Syed. Simple as that.

if they are Hindus they can NOT Be Syeds

 

[punit]

the claim of Hindus can be rejected. Because either they can be Hindus or Syed. Simple as that.

if they are Hindus they can NOT Be Syeds

as i told it may be true and may be false .. are u sure all those who claim to be Syed are truly related with the family of Prophet. can all them prove it with a family tree. no one knows who were their ancestors for sure.

 

[jha]

Please read carefully once again . You will find the mention that these Brahmin Hindus claim to a "Brahmin Hussain Sect"

what an utter lie

What a load....

Where did they claim that they are from your prophet's bloodline..? They are from the bloodline of Ashwasthama ( Mahabharat ).
They are called Hussaini Brahmins because they fought alongside Imam Hussein...

 

[jha]

its their believe and no one knows the real truth apart form almighty. anyway in a country like India with so many web tangled intermixed ethnicity, societies, etc .. no claim can be rejected downright.

They dont claim to come from their prophet's bloodline... They are called Husseini Brahmin because they fought alongside Imam Hussein.

It is also said that Chandragupta had sent a large army to Karbala for Hussein's assistance . But Army was too late and the place where the army resided is called " Dair-i-Hindiya ".

 

[punit]

They dont claim to come from their prophet's bloodline... They are called Husseini Brahmin because they fought alongside Imam Hussein.

It is also said that Chandragupta Maurya had sent a large army to Karbala for Hussein's assistance . But Army was too late and the place where the army resided is called " Dair-i-Hindiya ".

imo it was a diff chandragupta. mauryan dynasty is pre islamic.

 

[Roybot]

Why are so many people getting their knickers in a twist over this?

People claim a lot of things, it doesn't matter if its true or not. Just like lot of people claiming to be descendants/related to Prophet Mohammed. Its about belief.

About Mohyals and Hussieni Bhumihars,

As per Mohyal folklore, a Mohyal of the Dutt clan had fought on behalf of Imam Hussain in the battle of Karbala, more specifically in the storming of Kufa- sacrificing his seven sons in the process. According to legend, Rahab Sidh Datt (also mentioned as Rahib Sidh or Sidh Viyog Datt in some versions) was the leader of a small band of career-soldiers living near Baghdad around the time of the battle of Karbala. The legend mentions the place where he stayed as Dair-al-Hindiya, meaning "The Indian Quarter", which matches an Al-Hindiya in existence today. The Dutts have traditionally been referred to as Hussaini Brahmins since times immemorial[4] Munshi Premchand's novel ‘Karbala’ also mentions about Hindus fighting for the sake of Imam Hussain, and refers to them as descendants of Ashwatthama, who the Dutt clan considers to be an ancestor. This legend occupies an important part in the Dutt clan's oral history,[5][6] and is considered a source of pride for them.[7]

 

[third eye]

All of you Indians here failed to respond to the points i raised. Hence please do accept that claiming that there is any Bhrahmin Sect" of Imam Hussian (RA), is just a shyty claim by Indian Hindus just to tranish image of the family of Last Prophet of Islam Muhammad (PBUH).


2. Nobody here is talking against your "religious" harmony so dont try to twist the facts.

Hindu followers of Muslim imam , The Milli Gazette, Vol.5 No.10, MG104 (16-31 May 04)

Hindu followers of Muslim imam
By Yoginder Sikand

One of the most important events in early Muslim history was the battle of Karbala fought in 680 CE in which Imam Hussain, grandson of the Prophet through his daughter Fatima and her husband Imam Ali, was slaughtered along with a small band of disciples in a bloody battle against the tyrant Yazid. This event occurred in the Islamic month of Muharram, and it is for this reason that this month is observed with great solemnity in many parts of the Muslim world.

What is particularly striking about the observances of the month of Muharram in large parts of India is the prominent participation of Hindus in the ritual mourning. In several towns and villages, Hindus join Muslims in lamenting the death of Hussain, by sponsoring or taking part in lamentation rituals and tazia processions. In Lucknow, seat of the Shia nawabs of Awadh, prominent Hindu noblemen like Raja Tikait Rai and Raja Bilas Rai built Imambaras to house alams, standards representing the Karbala event. The Hindu Lambadi community in Andhra Pradesh have their own genre of Muharram lamentation songs in Telugu. Among certain Hindu castes in Rajasthan, the Karbala battle is recounted by staging plays in which the death of Imam Hussain is enacted, after which the women of the village come out in a procession, crying and cursing Yazid for his cruelty. In large parts of rural India, Hindus believe that if barren women slip under a Moharrum alam they would be blessed with a child.
Perhaps the most intriguing case of Hindu veneration of Imam Hussain is to be found among the small Hussaini Brahmin sect, also called Dutts or Mohiyals, who are found mainly in Punjab. The Hussaini Brahmins have had a long martial tradition, which they trace back to the event of Karbala. They believe that an ancestor named Rahab traveled all the way from Punjab to Arabia, where he became a disciple of Imam Hussain. In the battle of Karbala, Rahab fought in the army of the Imam against Yazid. His sons, too, joined him, and most of them were killed. The Imam, seeing Rahab’s love for him, bestowed upon him the title of Sultan or king, and told him to go back to India. It is because from this close bond between Rahab and Imam Hussain that the Hussaini Brahmins derive their name.

After Rahab and those of his sons who survived the battle of Karbala reached India, they settled down in the western Punjab and gradually a community grew around them. The Hussaini Brahmins practised an intriguing blend of Islamic and Hindu traditions. A popular saying refers to the Hussaini Brahmins or Dutts thus:
Wah Dutt Sultan,
Hindu ka Dharm
Musalman ka Iman,
Adha Hindu Adha Musalman
Oh! Dutt, the king
[Who follows] the religion of the Hindu
And the faith of the Muslim
Half Hindu, half Muslim.

Another story, which seems less reliable, is related as to how the Dutts of Punjab came to be known as Hussaini Brahmins. According to this version, one of the wives of Imam Hussain, the Persian princess Shahr Banu, was the sister of Chandra Lekha or Mehr Banu, the wife of an Indian king called Chandragupta. When it became clear that Yazid was adamant on killing the Imam, the Imam’s son Ali ibn Hussain rushed off a letter to Chandragupta asking him for help against Yazid. When Chandragupta received the letter, he dispatched a large army to Iraq to assist the Imam. By the time they arrived, however, the Imam had been slain. In the town of Kufa, in present-day Iraq, they met with one Mukhtar Saqaffi, a disciple of the Imam, who arranged for them to stay in a special part of the town, which even today is known by the name of Dair-i-Hindiya or ‘the Indian quarter’.

Some Dutt Brahmins, under the leadership of one Bhurya Dutt, got together with Mukhtar Saqafi to avenge the death of the Imam. They stayed behind in Kufa, while the rest returned to India. Here they built up a community of their own, calling themselves Hussaini Brahmins, keeping alive the memory of their links with the Imam.

The Hussaini Brahmins believe that in the Bhagwadgita Krishna had foretold the event of the Imam’s death at Karbala. According to them, the Kalanki Purana, the last of eighteen Puranas, as well as the Atharva Veda, the fourth Veda, refer to Imam Hussain as the divine incarnation or avatar of the Kali Yug, the present age. They hold Imam Ali, Imam Hussain’s father, and son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet Muhammad, in particular reverence, referring to him with the honorific title of ‘Om Murti’.

The Hussaini Brahmins, along with other Hindu devotees of the Muslim Imam, are today a rapidly vanishing community. Younger generation Hussaini Brahmins are said to be abandoning their ancestral heritage, some seeing it as embarrassingly deviant. No longer, it seems, can an ambiguous, yet comfortable, liminality be sustained, fuzzy communal identities giving way under the relentless pressure to conform to the logic of neatly demarcated ‘Hindu’ and ‘Muslim’ communities. And so, these and scores of other religious communities that once straddled the frontier between Hinduism and Islam seem destined for perdition, or else to folkloric curiosities that tell of a bygone age, when it was truly possible to be both Hindu as well as Muslim at the same time. «

 

[vsdoc]

imo it was a diff chandragupta. mauryan dynasty is pre islamic.

Correct. That was exactly my reaction when one of my friends told me the same.

P.S. Roybot and Third Eye fascinating stuff bros!

 

[Black Widow]

My native place "Bhagalpur" Bihar.. I was there last 2 week for festival of SUN and river Ganga (Chhath). 3 days after our festival Muharram was scheduled (I think it was 23rd or 24th Nov).

I saw many Shia procession and I was shocked to see that many Hindus were participating in Muharram.. I didn't had camera or mobile with me or I would have got some pics for u guys..

Even Aftr riots (Bhagalpur) there is no animosity btwn hindu and Muslims there.


We are like family, no matter how much we quarrel end of day we share our feeliongs..

 

[third eye]

Now , an Iranian Source..religious in toleration is a recent phenemenon

History, Philosophy, and Impact of Mourning for Imam Husain (AS) - 7

In the Name of God, the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate --

Salaam, and condolences to you on the 7th of Moharram, the day on which, the Omayyad forces blocked water to the camp of the Martyr of Karbala (AS), thereby causing anguish to the women and children of the household of Prophet Mohammad (SAWA). We continue our discourse on the History, Philosophy, and Impact of Mourning for Imam Husain (AS), from where we left you yesterday. Today we will focus more on the role of non-Muslims in commemorating Moharram in India.

As we said yesterday, Iranian researcher, Dr. Hyder Reza Zabeth in his paper read at the International Conference on “Perspectives on Religion, Politics and Society in South Asia” held on 19-20 February, 2007 at the University of Punjab, Lahore, Pakistan, said the Tragedy of Karbala has played a vital role in forging inter-religious understanding in the subcontinent. He said throughout history Hindus have joined Muslims in commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Husain (AS), the grandson of the Prophet of Islam, Hazrat Mohammad (blessings of God upon him and his progeny). For instance, the Sharma Hindu families have been taking out the Ta'ziyya procession on Moharram for more than 120 years in some districts of Madhya Pradesh.

The ritual began in 1882 when the Raikwar family of the Vidisha town began preparing and taking out Ta'ziyyas or replicas of the Imam's shrine in Karbala, on the ninth day of the mourning month. Since then, the Raikwar's Ta'ziyya leads the procession of mourners on Moharram, and moves ahead of the long line of replicas of Imam Husain's tomb and flags along the streets. Like several Muslim families across the globe, the Raikwar family members, too, set aside their daily chores to grieve for the grandson of Prophet Mohammad (SAWA), and his 72 companions who were brutally killed in the state of thirst on the banks of the River Euphrates in Karbala in 61 A.H.

"Husain is everybody's hero, the embodiment of virtues of piety, courage and self-sacrifice. He did not seek power. He represented the authentic voice of Islam and, for that reason, boldly challenged the un-Islamic practices of the Umayyad ruler, Yazid," a member of the Raikwar family said. They also march, as they do year after year, through the lanes and by-lanes in fervent lamentation chanting, "Ya-Husain, Ya-Husain", rhythmically beating their chests, self-flagellating, carrying replicas of the Imam's tomb.

"Husain laid down his life but did not compromise with a bloody-minded tyrant," says the head of the Mishra family of Sehore, another Madhya Pradesh town where a Hindu family takes out the Ta'ziyya procession. "The practice is over 100 years old for our family. We have also secured a place for `the Prophet's grandson' in our house where hundreds of Hindus and Muslims visit during Moharram to seek Imam Husain's intercession to cure the diseased, avert calamities and even procure children," says Dinesh Chandra Mishra, present head of the family. "Every age brings forth a new Yazid, but resistance to tyranny, as is illustrated by Imam Husain's legendary example, is incumbent upon every man of faith", he says.

Among certain Hindu castes in Rajasthan, the Karbala tragedy is recounted by staging plays in which the death of Imam Husain (AS) is enacted, after which the women of the village come out in a procession, crying and cursing Yazid for his cruelty. In large parts of north India, Hindus believe that if barren women slip under an alam moving in a procession they will be blessed with a child.

The non-Muslim tribal Lambadi community in Andhra Pradesh has its own genre of Moharram lamentation songs in Telugu.

Another village called Solapur in Rai Durg Taluq gained prominence as a famous Telugu poet Ramanna of the village wrote number of poems describing and eulogizing Moharram. The people of the Solapur village even abstain from eating meat during the Moharram days – on the belief that this hardens the heart. Surapalli village was yet another village which attracted a number of people during the Moharram days. Balaiah a poet of the village wrote poems during these days and recited them every day to a large audience. One of the poem written by Balaiah starts with these lines. It is interesting to note that even the women of the villages wrote poems to pay their homage to the martyrs of Karbala. Three women, who were prominent among them were, Imam Aka, Vanoor Bee, and Gateema. Vanoor Bee in one of her poems gave us the reasons for her devotion. She writes if you speak truth, Husain's mother, the Prophet's daughter Hazrat Fatema Zahra (peace upon her) will bless you.

The city of Lucknow boasts of several Hindu hussainiyahs called ‘Imambaras’ in the local language. One such is the ‘Kishnu Khalifa ka Imambara’ in Bashiratganj locality in the old city area. The Imambara, established in 1880, is famous for its Hindu ‘azadars’ or devotees who observe Moharram with all the religiosity of the Muslims.

The Hindu rulers of Vijayanagar in the Deccan or southern India built wonderful Imambaras during the 15th and 16th centuries, influenced by the large number of Iranians of various persuasions who used to come to that kingdom. These Hindu rulers used to wear black garments of mourning during the first 10 days of the month of Moharram. Muharram processions during the 18th and 19th centuries were taken out by the Hindus in Rajasthan, Gujarat and Maharashtra with chariot-shaped ta'ziyyas. The Maratha ruling kingdoms like the Scindias of Gwalior, the Holkars of Indore, the Gaekwads of Baroda and the Bhonsle of Kolhapur and Pune till now observe Muharram rituals with great devotion. During their dynastic rules they strived to create interfaith understanding between Muslims and Hindus by observing Muharram ceremonies. The most famous of them all was the Rajah of Gwalior, a state in central India. The Rajah used to go barefoot with the procession every year on the day of Ashura, holding a replica of Imam Husain's mausoleum. In Lucknow, seat of the Shi'ite Muslim rulers of Awadh, prominent Hindu noblemen like Raja Tikait Rai and Raja Bilas Rai built Imambaras to house alams, the standards representing the Karbala event.

"The Hindu", one of the largest selling English dailies in India reported in its 31 January, 2007 issue that a large number of Hindus participated in the Ta'ziyya procession along with Muslims in Tamil Nadu state. Three persons, two of them non-Muslims, took part in a fire-walk held in the early hours. One of the Hindus, named Veera-Babu said he has been taking part in the fire-walks in commemoration of Imam Husain (AS) for the past 25 years. Hindus of these villages vie with the Muslims in making arrangements for the Moharram. There is a Brahmin tribe by the name of Mohiyals in Kashmir who take part in Moharram observance with great devotion and fervor. They believe that their ancestors, like the Hussaini Brahmins, fought alongside the mam Husain (AS) at Karbala and later, avenged Imam Husain's blood by assisting Mohktar fighting the Umayyads. They believe that they traveled back to India over the centuries via Afghanistan.

It is also worth noting that the tenth day of the month of Moharram, that is Ashura, is a national holiday in India. History reports that even Mohandas Gandhi on his famous salt march to protest against the oppression by the British took 72 people with him in emulation of Imam Husain's protest against Yazid's oppression. Gandhi in one of his famous statements remarked that it was Karbala and Imam Husain (AS) that inspired his non-violent struggle against colonialism. He added: “I learned from (Imam) Husain (AS) how to be wronged and be a winner.” In a statement published in Young India in 1924, he said: “I wanted to know the best of life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind…I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the schemes of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of (Imam) Husain (AS), the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intention devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission to save Islam.”

 

[Black Widow]

They dont claim to come from their prophet's bloodline... They are called Husseini Brahmin because they fought alongside Imam Hussein.

It is also said that Chandragupta Maurya had sent a large army to Karbala for Hussein's assistance . But Army was too late and the place where the army resided is called " Dair-i-Hindiya ".

At the time of great Maurya , there was no Islam...

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

What does Hussaini Brahmins means? Muslims have no brahmins or something like that !!
What is the source of problem between Shias and sunnis?

 

[sehr]

How many were killed in Pakistan? This year and for the last many many years?

Ap log bat karty huwy larty ku ????????????????????????????