Where did all the hype and hoopla go? Imran Khan's 2 year tenure

[VCheng]

And what does it matter who’s PM anyway?? The army brought IK to power and they run the show where it matters, and the only way PPP or PML are allowed back again is if they allow it.

The only reason that matters is that the one institution left standing cannot replace all the other critical institutions that are required for the country to begin trying to resolve its ever-increasing challenges. Allowing other competing institutions necessarily involves giving up the unchallenged pre-dominance, hence the Catch-22 trapping the people in their abysmal, and steadily worsening, state.

 

[Jungibaaz]

The only reason that matters is that the one institution left standing cannot replace all the other critical institutions that are required for the country to begin trying to resolve its ever-increasing challenges. Allowing other competing institutions necessarily involves giving up the unchallenged pre-dominance, hence the Catch-22 trapping the people in their abysmal, and steadily worsening, state.

From the army’s perspective that’s true, but at least part of the motivation for benevolent keepers of Pakistan is that they have the belief (and hubris) that they are the only competent pair of hands in the country and they know best, and not just what’s best for them. One would hope that every failed experiment by now might have led to some institutional learning. And if not, then one can only assume it’s not about the country, it’s about whatever else might motivate them. In that case your comments are the bottom line.

 

[VCheng]

From the army’s perspective that’s true, but at least part of the motivation for benevolent keepers of Pakistan is that they have the belief (and hubris) that they are the only competent pair of hands in the country and they know best, and not just what’s best for them. One would hope that every failed experiment by now might have led to some institutional learning. And if not, then one can only assume it’s not about the country, it’s about whatever else might motivate them. In that case your comments are the bottom line.

Only the very noblest of intentions pave this particular road.

 

[Syed1.]

The army brought IK to power

Any proof of this?


IK was holding 100,000+ strength jalsas in all major cities. He had multiple candidates available for every seat. A massive force on social media. That all lead to his party getting 17 million votes, highest in our history and the only person ever to win FIVE seats. Did army make all of this or was his 22 year struggle against mafias?


Then sastay experts like you come on here with baqwas lazy analysis like army brought him.


I was out and about on the streets of Karachi on 25th July 2018 everywhere you saw there was only PTI and it reflected in the results. Don't talk about things you don't know about.

We all know the humiliation in the election hurts you patwaris since people rejected you lot despite the much touted economic miracle Nawaj Chay-reef had brought.

 

[alphapak]

Imran is the best thing that happened to India ,he has all our support. Pakistan should have him as PM for next 10-15 years.

Thats why Modi govt funded and supported Mota Nawaja. Modi even visited his
house, we know how much it hurt the Indians the day Imran Khan took oath
as PM. lol

 

[Jungibaaz]

Any proof of this?

No, I have no proof, please feel free to dismiss my claims as mere conspiracy or bs.

I’m sure you’ll hear more stuff about these claims at a future date, and at a much later date maybe there’ll be a court case for indictment and confirmation of meddling.

IK was holding 100,000+ strength jalsas in all major cities. He had multiple candidates available for every seat. A massive force on social media. That all lead to his party getting 17 million votes, highest in our history and the only person ever to win FIVE seats. Did army make all of this or was his 22 year struggle against mafias?


Then sastay experts like you come on here with baqwas lazy analysis like army brought him.


I was out and about on the streets of Karachi on 25th July 2018 everywhere you saw there was only PTI and it reflected in the results. Don't talk about things you don't know about.

We all know the humiliation in the election hurts you patwaris since people rejected you lot despite the much touted economic miracle Nawaj Chay-reef had brought.

Let me clarify what i and others like me are saying. Did IK win the 2018 election outright? Yes. Is he (or was he at the time) overwhelmingly popular? Yes, everyone I know voted for him bar one person. Was his mass movement against the political system his own achievement? Yes.

Am I alleging election rigging? No, I can’t say at all if there was rigging. Am I claiming election and political engineering in the run up to 2018 and earlier, with the army actively undermining the previous government and setting the stage for Imran to win? Yes. And as proof, I’m sorry I have none whatsoever.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Only the very noblest of intentions pave this particular road.

I’m sure there are and have been plenty of folks in that institution that have seen what we see and have recognised what’s needed for the good of the country, but the cost is perhaps too much for them and others they have a kinship with. Even if an honest, pro-democratic, far sighted and humble man takes charge, I’d be willing to bet it changes nothing, eye of the storm, momentary hiatus only.

 

[Syed1.]

No, I have no proof, please feel free to dismiss my claims as mere conspiracy or bs.

I’m sure you’ll hear more stuff about these claims at a future date, and at a much later date maybe there’ll be a court case for indictment and confirmation of meddling.



Let me clarify what i and others like me are saying. Did IK win the 2018 election outright? Yes. Is he (or was he at the time) overwhelmingly popular? Yes, everyone I know voted for him bar one person. Was his mass movement against the political system his own achievement? Yes.

Am I alleging election rigging? No, I can’t say at all if there was rigging. Am I claiming election and political engineering in the run up to 2018 and earlier, with the army actively undermining the previous government and setting the stage for Imran to win? Yes. And as proof, I’m sorry I have none whatsoever.

So the gist of your post is you have no proof but we should take your word for it?

 

[Jungibaaz]

So the gist of your post is you have no proof but we should take your word for it?

Not quite, I'm not trying to convince anyone of what I know. I have no proof and the claims are ludicrous. So I don't bother trying to convince anyone, it's folly. Do not take my word for it at all, if I'm right you will know eventually.

 

[VCheng]

I’m sure there are and have been plenty of folks in that institution that have seen what we see and have recognised what’s needed for the good of the country, but the cost is perhaps too much for them and others they have a kinship with. Even if an honest, pro-democratic, far sighted and humble man takes charge, I’d be willing to bet it changes nothing, eye of the storm, momentary hiatus only.

The past record and present trends would indicate that your bet is overwhelmingly solid - despite a lack of proof.

 

[Pandora]

Imran Khan probably thought Haram Khori is only exclusive to our Politicians, Judges, Generals and Elites but then that Light Bulb moment came where he realised yahan sab nangay hein. Imran Khan has got a tough task ahead and next 3 years wont be easy. Even with all the deficiencies there is no fckin way i would every vote another Nawaz and Zardari spawn. These vermin's destroyed our country and May Allah take away their wealth and luxuries so they may suffer. For these people their wealth is more important that their parent, wives, childern and human being in general. I hope they live long lives with all their money taken away them begging on streets as this is the best justice handed down to these callous ba$tards.

 

[Rafi]

No wonder the subcontinent Muslims are poor and uneducated . Who is your grandfather ? Lol

My poor little indian friend, we shall provide you with food, it is our destiny to be your overlords, we will also except the tribute of your most fair Maidens.

 

[Rafi]

The only reason that matters is that the one institution left standing cannot replace all the other critical institutions that are required for the country to begin trying to resolve its ever-increasing challenges. Allowing other competing institutions necessarily involves giving up the unchallenged pre-dominance, hence the Catch-22 trapping the people in their abysmal, and steadily worsening, state.

A Yank like you should worry more about what Trump has laid low the mighty US of A where the bodies are pulling up, with no end in sight.

 

[Rafi]

No, I have no proof, please feel free to dismiss my claims as mere conspiracy or bs.

I’m sure you’ll hear more stuff about these claims at a future date, and at a much later date maybe there’ll be a court case for indictment and confirmation of meddling.



Let me clarify what i and others like me are saying. Did IK win the 2018 election outright? Yes. Is he (or was he at the time) overwhelmingly popular? Yes, everyone I know voted for him bar one person. Was his mass movement against the political system his own achievement? Yes.

Am I alleging election rigging? No, I can’t say at all if there was rigging. Am I claiming election and political engineering in the run up to 2018 and earlier, with the army actively undermining the previous government and setting the stage for Imran to win? Yes. And as proof, I’m sorry I have none whatsoever.

The Dems also made pretty sure that Bernie did not get the nomination vs Hilary, cant prove that it happened but many indications. You don't think that all elections are manipulated by both state and non state actors.

Mussadik of Iran was removed by a "popular" revolution of common people, pull the other one , it's got bells on.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

zardari/bhutto and the not-so-sharifs spent the last 32 years destroying Pakistan. Imran Khan cannot fix their damage in 2 years.