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When will Pakistan become a 1st world country?

Good save. That being said, some Indians in the delusion world still think they are world-class, far better than China despite lacking basic necessity in India like toilet for starter. :D
I didn't save anything. What I wrote is the sheer truth.
We are world class...in some sectors. In many others we lag behind. In some sectors we are third class.

India is a vast country and a vast diversified economy. This is something that Pakistani's inherently don't understand because they view India from their own experiences and understanding due to geographic size and economic complexity of Pakistan.

We are second to none in enhancing economic growth of our country. Period. That is called world class.
However, at the same time we are also third class in converting our economic growth rates to social infrastructure. For example - In South Asia, Bangladesh is heads and shoulders above us in converting growth rates to social infrastructure.

All said and done we had a Government that did practically nothing from 2004-2014.
We once again now have a Government who is working (crazy fast) in improving the country. I have no doubt that this Govt will be elected again in 2019.

Our statistics in all sectors - physical, social, educational - would be to watch out for in 2024.
 
It would need about three generations refreshing to reach 1st world. To put it bluntly it would need average Pakistani to think like a Japanese, Chinese, German, British, Canadian etc.
The usual comparison is Pakistan vs. South Korea. The SKs were devastated when the Korean war ended in 1953: GDP was $67 per person vs West Pakistan's $304 (about $310 if you include E. Pakistan). Up to the mid-1960s at least South Korea even sent teams to Pakistan to learn the latest agricultural development techniques!

Both SK and Pakistan initially concentrated industrial and capital development in a few dozen families and received generous U.S. economic aid. Initially it was Pakistan that showed the greater promise - indeed, one economist told me he thought the U.S. would be supporting SK "forever".

But South Korea took off like a rocket and joined the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development - essentially the first-worlders club - in 1996. Per aspera ad astra - in two generations they went from the mud to the stars.

Why didn't Pakistan, with greater natural resources, superior placement along trade routes, and larger population, accomplish what South Korea did? Why, if somethings are amiss, can't Pakistanis change and thus accomplish the same increase in national wealth and power the South Koreans have? Are these not worthy questions for Pakistanis to investigate?
 
the day pakistanis stop seeking immigration to UKKK ..kanaddaa...amrika , japan .. te aoouustralia
 
No we wont .. Never will Pakistan come to Number 1 ... cause those Standards which is set by the western world to characterize Top Position is not what a Pakistan would become ..
 
It can work the other way round too.

China was atheist and Communist when Mao Tse Tung took over. And it was literally a sh*tole then, a lot worse than it is now. Not saying they are not a sh*thole now, just that things were much worse back then.

You have Kyrgyz republic which is atheist and a sh*thole.

You have Indonesia, Benin, Burkina Faso which are sh*tholes, too.

China is THE LEAST impressive of the East Asian countries in its development process.

Name any objective transparent index, it trails its Oriental peers by a wide margin, despite 4 decades of bonhomie with the West.

Apart from China's size, there is nothing impressive about China's very very ordinary achievements. A lot of hype aside, of course.

To put things in perspective, you have a country that is more than the size of the EU and USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand put together, that even after four decades is poorer than Slovenia.

The result of atheism in China, perhaps? Using your line of argumentation?




All three of them sold their souls to the West.

Turkey begs and implores Europe for membership for decades. Sorry application is rejected.

Turkey still comes with a begging bowl in hand to improve its standards of governance and living because it has no other alternative.

If you did not know, Turkey sold its soul to the West by aping European laws and customs, traditions and values. It ditched Arabic based alphabet for Roman based alphabet. Because (1) it is intellectually deficient enough not to invent an alphabet for its own nationality and (2) because Arabic brought no benefit that Roman based alphabet would not.

Turks forcefully banned headgear in public offices but allowed perversions and nudity. Yet, they were always dirt poor and always dirt poor. They are Europe's Mexico, in a way.

Just like Turkey is Europe's Mexico, China is the world's Mexico. It sold out its Confucian culture for the rotten notion of Communism, which as you rightly pointed out, was developed in the West. Copycats in Russia or China or the Orient can only ape their superiors in the West, that is the maximum extent of their intellectual development, as its proven before again and again. Then, it backstabbed its brother in arms the Soviet Union for a warm embrace with the USA. If that were not enough, when the US pushed for sanctions at the UN on Iran and North Korea, China meekly complied. In the last two decades, I can not think of a single major international agenda on which China stood steadfastly against the USA alone. That is because it has sold its soul, its women sell their bodies all over Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Dongguang, Shanghai, Qingdao and you name it and its bureaucrats send their children and family to the West for emigration because China at the core is rotten.

Despite 40 years of opening up, in every measure of objective development and progress, China feels more comfortable comparing with India than with Japan. That sentence tells you everything about the cataclysmic failure that has been PR China.

Saudi kingdom is more of the same. In alliance with the UK it came to power. Changed boss to the US to prop up the petro dollar system. And its occupation of your two holy sites means US can control its Saudi stooges to steer dumb and illiterate Muslim masses' anger and emotion towards any direction it wants.

None of these three countries are independent.

You talk like China has achieved some sort of a miracle when except for size or scale, there has been just nothing extraordinary, nothing whatsoever, that China has achieved. Pathetic for a homogeneous country that is bigger than any other continent in the world, in population, suckling off the American teat for so long.

u sound like u lost your factory job to a Chinese one
 
There seems to be a constant confusion among members as to what makes a 1st world country.
It is not the way you dress or whether you have homosexual rights or not, it is the ability to dominate a large percentage of world affairs and dictate economic terms.

Traditionally, the role has been assigned to the West or Northern countries since the neo-liberal capitalist system has been made to exploit the South to provide for the sustenance of the north. So in effect, the purpose of the 3rd world is to provide for the 1st world.

To be 1st world, you need to be the end user; be the main consumer or dominate the economics of smaller nations.
As such, Pakistan is not EVER going to be in that category.

The rest of the usual piecemeal arguments of liberal or Islamic or Buddhist are just bits for the lesser educated or those with lesser exposure to the world. When you are unable to afford a BMW as your neighbour does, your mind immediately goes to being exploited, to how they dress or behave.. to find almost consistent faults that are able to satisfy your inferiority complex at their material possessions.

Beyond that, there is nothing in Islam that requires you to actively interfere in another person's life unless they are causing harm to humanity. Anything else is just acting out your own frustration at your own perception of underachieving in life.


It was not until the 70's, and even now.. the very champion of homosexual rights in Pres Obama opposed it during his election bid by calling it a threat to the institution of marriage. That landed him the votes of the rust belt.

Religion has, is and will play a role in American life for a while.

The state being secular in constitution does nothing to stop its governance being done on religious lines.


I agree with this point :P
 
After a recent visit to Karachi few days ago, I would say chances of PAKISTAN becoming 1st world country is very remote !! That city reminded of MohenJo daro/. they should rename Karachi / karachidaro !!
 
The terms first world/third world etc have nothing do with economy and prosperity. Those are cold war era terms, where first world countries were countries allied to the US, second world countries allied to USSR and third world countries being neutral. The term we're looking for is developed.

It'd say this is extremely unpredictable. Wars, political turmoil, terrorism etc are very hard to predict. CPEC is a very key component of this, and if it goes right then Pakistan can be developed in as little as 40-50 years.
 
Plenty of Indians do that as well.

we don't claim to be number one on such forums, of course there could be specific areas but not as a whole. We have so many problems at home and we are working hard to eradicate them. And we have come out far successfully , slow but steady!
 
As so many economists has said Pakistan is not a poor country, but a poorly managed country.

How to go about making it a developed Nation is very simple if we look at it in theoretical way, but implementing and practical application of it is what matters.

1- The current direct tax collection in Pakistan is just 9% of the GDP and the government barely collects about 60% of the income of the total expenditure, so we have to take loans to cut the deficit financing. If tax collection reaches 15% of GDP and say reach about 4000 billion rupees from the current 2200 billion rupees, there will be no need to get IMF, WB and other loans.

2- A better tax income about twice that of the current one will induce more money for education, the current meager 2% or less won't take Pakistan anywhere, Malaysia spends about 12-15% of their total budget on education, so is Singapore. All school going age children has to be enrolled at 100%, in all provinces. The current out of school 5-5.5 million kids has to be enrolled. The 25 million quoted figure is not correct as that includes the children out of schools in previous years. But for that we need a clean government, who does not splurges money and is corrupt.

3- Increase the health budget to 5% of the total outlay, provided an increase in tax collection to 15% of GDP or more from the current 9%.

4- The adult illiteracy is the main problem and that cannot be eradicated easily, needed some specialized teaching methods for them.

5- Then there are other measures like giving more powers to institutions like NAB, FBR to end corruption and tax evasion, other malpractices. Strong institutions makes a strong nation.

6- Reduce indirect taxation as it effects the poor and lower middle class directly. More government income means more poverty reduction initiatives by it, provided we gets a clean and competent government, who invests in HDI.

First thing is believing in oneself that this can happen, and this can be done. When Japan, Germany, South Korea, Malaysia can do this why can't Pakistan. Change starts with changing hearts and minds...the substantive change in concrete form comes later.
 
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Take religion out of the equation and you can do it in 20-30 years. With (your) religion: never.

She will become the first multi ethnic Islamic country to become 1st world.

The question is tolerance. Tolerance over differences and the work that is required to become successful.

Islam is a beautiful religion, it brings peace to the heart. It is food for the soul. You will never understand because you are conditioned by the media.
 
It would need about three generations refreshing to reach 1st world. To put it bluntly it would need average Pakistani to think like a Japanese, Chinese, German, British, Canadian etc.

When a average Pakistani can live with homosexuality, gender equality, religious freedom, sexual freedom then Pakistan will have arrived at the 1st world station. We have to keep in mind these are symptomatic of being first world and not related to being Western, American etc. For example Chinese share more values with British then with Pakistani's. Ditto Japanese.

Indeed all 1st world countries despite what ethnic group or geographic region display remarkably similar characteristics. It appears that underlying dynamics of a 1st world economy generate similar profile of population.
You are so right. What goes for Pakistan goes for India too. The way, we South Asians think is so different from the way people from these nations do. Heaven knows how long such evolution will take. We have not changed in 5000 years.
 

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