Hephaestus
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South Asian countries are unpredictable. Just cannot be called.
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Oh I'm so sorry to bring up Kashmir, I forgot that we fought multiple wars over it and you have 700,000 of your Soldiers deployed to harass its citizen. I also forgot that Kashmir could lead to an all-out Nuclear war that would wipe out millions in this region. How can it possibly have any effect on both the countries' economies. Silly meI apologize but your view is not based on facts.
I will refrain from commenting on Pakistani situation as you and @Kaptaan and @save_ghenda would be better placed to speak on that topic.
As far as India is concerned, Kashmir is an issue that at best very marginally(at best) affects India's quest for growth.
You must understand India from Indians perspective instead of using Pakistani prisms of 'impact' of Kashmir on the country.
For example, the truth is that India is both geographically and population wise a massive country.
The troubling geography for us - Kashmir - has a total population of 7 million.
India has a total population of 1.3 billion i.e 1300 million.
Kashmir makes zero tangible impact to the life of 99.999% Indians regardless of whether every single Kashmiri is wielding a Kalashnikov on the street or even if working in a factory adding to the country's GDP.
They are just too small in number to make any difference to India either ways. Not even a drop in an ocean.
India has been moving up economically quite steadily since the 90's despite the fact that Kashmir blew up in our face in the 90's with lads wielding anti-tank rifles openly in city streets in Kashmir.
The point is - Short of a nuclear bomb going off in Kashmir, Kashmir cannot even affect 1% of our GDP growth either ways (both positive or negative).
Whether we are succeeding or failing . For India at least, we cannot blame Kashmir and Pakistan. What does affect us is the system of governance in our country. That affects us. The rest is just white noise.
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On the issue of what @Kaptaan said. I can concur on his and @save_ghenda 's thought within my own country if that helps you at all.
Today, a much larger percentage of Indians care less about ethnicity & caste than a decade back. The number of inter ethnic marriages and inter caste marriages is going through the roof. This was unimaginable for most Indians of the last generation (i.e the parents of those getting married now).
Kaptaan & @save_ghenda - I will also identify the cause of why this has happened. And what is responsible for this change in thought process. It is not money per se what has brought about and is bringing about this change. It is market economy unleashed in 1991 which means education and jobs!
The reduction of state patronage networks of old which depended on ethnic relations and caste - like seth businesses and patwari culture -and rise of new competitive market economics has led to the massive boom of colleges & white collar jobs in India is almost exclusively responsible for this happening.
Earlier all these were limited to patronage networks of old which worked on the basis of caste/ethnicity. Once these networks started getting broken up in 1991 ( our big bang market economy started that year), slowly market economy is taking shape. The market economy is smashing the old networks.
Because a college will not accept you if you are of a certain caste nor will IBM give you a job because of your caste. Your knowledge will give you that job.
As an entrepreneur - the raw material you buy will be bought from supplier that offers the desired quality at lowest price. No one will buy a product of higher price because the supplier is of a certain caste.
For the new generation the economic payoffs of caste and ethnicity have reduced tremendously over the last 2 decades and so the impact follows in social sphere.
Because admission in all colleges is competitive - any student or his parent can now very very rarely ensure that they go to college in the same city. The overwhelming majority of students have to travel elsewhere for college education. Live in hostels or shared accomodation with countless others. They have to leave their comfort zones of their confines straight out of 12th standard school.
From there they have to travel to a third city/state for jobs. This has led to intermingling of different Indians in ginormous numbers that has brought about a massive change in thought process.
Almost every single college educated Indian now has to travel to get jobs. A graduate from Delhi is going to work in Bangalore while a graduate from Tamil Nadu is doing to work in Gurgaon.
A bengali can no longer think of an Andhraite as the 'other'. Or a punjabi can no longer think of a bihari as 'other'. And vice-versa. They now meet everyone from everywhere in whichever state they go to.
This is an ongoing process. It has only started happening in the last 20 years. It has barely started and already the impacts are more than you can imagine. There are many other parts of the state which have not mixed into this melting pot. Assam and North East states for example are still not as mixed as the others are. But the march of the market economy and jobs is unstoppable.
Another 20 years in the future and India would be unrecognizable by even people like me.
And despite having localized war with Pakistan in Kashmir and massive uprising in Kashmir(with rocket launchers and Kalashnikovs), India kept delivering high economic growth rates for over 10 years continuously, second only to China.Oh I'm so sorry to bring up Kashmir, I forgot that we fought multiple wars over it and you have 700,000 of your Soldiers deployed to harass its citizen. I also forgot that Kashmir could lead to an all-out Nuclear war that would wipe out millions in this region. How can it possibly have any effect on both the countries' economies. Silly me
If you read my previous posts I took care to avoid the term 'Western liberal'. That is so because it is now redundant and also is factually incorrect. I prefer the 1st world. Most people call it 'Western liberal' because West was the first to reach 1st world and therefore became typecast. The fact is same phenomenon can be seen in any country of any ethnic group in any part of the world that is 1st world. That is why I mentioned Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul,London, New York, Paris, Moscow, Rio de Janerio beating to the same rhythm.
Tokyo nightlife
Gay bar
Hong Kong
London
What is the differance? The almond eyes?
So.............,never?When a average Pakistani can live with homosexuality, gender equality, religious freedom, sexual freedom then Pakistan will have arrived at the 1st world station.
First thing is get rid of madarrasas and jahil mullahs get rid of religious extremism give quality education to Pakistanis and than you will see the change in 10-20 years. Basically first we've to tackle this problem.
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You are definitely one of the most smartest Pakistanis I have come across on here.If Pakistan became first world and West gave grief it would react by giving West a thrashing - so to speak, as it would have the muscle to do so and in doing so sober it up.
Only the weak and lack of balls, so to speak fall back on burning flags and delivering fatwas, sermons and declaring jihads.
Pakistan, if it were developed with a population of 200 million plus would carry enormous clout in the world. There would be no need of delivering religious sermons when carrier battlegroups, nuclear attack submarines would do the talking in addition to huge economic leverage over the world.
No ty have not. In fact it can work the opposite way. By adopting a pro development model a country can became strong and able to defy the dominant powers. This can bring angst from the West.
On the contrary you can run a religious hell hole like KSA which of course has no real strength to do anything is is beholden to US, thus is seen as a ally. China has adopted most of what West runs on but has taken it even further. It actually pose a real threat and you know what the situation is.
And I repeat China is one step ahead of the West. It is not just secular but hyper-secular.
* You guy's are aware that most Chinese are athiest?
Top Athiest countries in the world.
1. China.
2. Japan.
3. Czech Republic.
4. France.
5. Australia.
This is something our diplomatic Chinese members take care to broach. But this is the reality. Chinese are most secular (hyper-secular) and irrelegious than any other people on earth.
Link > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/atheists-countries-list-six-world-most-convinced-a6946291.html
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Homosexuality? Wtf. Is this what pakistanis have come to? A bunch of free thinking boy lovers. Shame on you pal.It would need about three generations refreshing to reach 1st world. To put it bluntly it would need average Pakistani to think like a Japanese, Chinese, German, British, Canadian etc.
When a average Pakistani can live with homosexuality, gender equality, religious freedom, sexual freedom then Pakistan will have arrived at the 1st world station. We have to keep in mind these are symptomatic of being first world and not related to being Western, American etc. For example Chinese share more values with British then with Pakistani's. Ditto Japanese.
Indeed all 1st world countries despite what ethnic group or geographic region display remarkably similar characteristics. It appears that underlying dynamics of a 1st world economy generate similar profile of population.