when rickshaws turn jihad against india

[notsuperstitious]

Happiness and being carefree are hardly reasons to value life over death.

We need more practical, level headed, reasonable pakistanis like you. Happiness and being carefree are hradly for poor rikshawwalls, they deserve a better utilisation of their mortal remains in this temporary world!

 

[majesticpankaj]

such a shame.....

 

[LaBong]

That is why a Hindu presided over Pakistan's first constituent assembly, and later become the first law and labor minister of Pakistan.

That is why millions of Bengali Hindu's chose Pakistan under Jogerndranath Mandal.

It wasn't the Muslim League which created and funded parties of hatred like Majlie-e-Ahrar.

Better recap your history, don't know what you have been reading.

Your first Law minister Mr Mandal fled to Calcutta, so did the guy who composed your first national anthem.

You can't ride the tiger and get away with it.

 

[kingkobra]

Your first Law minister Mr Mandal fled to Calcutta, so did the guy who composed your first national anthem.

You can't ride the tiger and get away with it.

that is exactly what i was wondering...jogendra nath mandal actually fled to india in 1950..

 

[T-Faz]

Your first Law minister Mr Mandal fled to Calcutta, so did the guy who composed your first national anthem.

You can't ride the tiger and get away with it.

What can they do when the situation played out differently?

After Jinnah passed away, many Congress supported mullahs like Mufti Mahmood and other Deobandi Ulema as well as Maulana Maududi jumped over to Pakistan initiating their Islamization campaign.

Liaqat Ali Khan was partial to anti-Pakistan mullah baradran who started to target liberal and Non-Sunni founding fathers of Pakistan. One by one all of them were targeted and removed including the Hindu leadership of Pakistan.

All this culminated in the grand mullah ****** show of 1953 against Sir Zafarullah and Ahmadis which was violently quashed by the army.

The situation was such that the secular foundations of the country was attacked from the get go by the mullah-feudal alliance who were looking to keep their power intact.

India got saved when all these mullahs crossed over here, they can do things that even the best around find hard to deal with.

 

[illusion8]

What can they do when the situation played out differently?

After Jinnah passed away, many Congress supported mullahs like Mufti Mahmood and other Deobandi Ulema as well as Maulana Maududi jumped over to Pakistan initiating their Islamization campaign.

Liaqat Ali Khan was partial to anti-Pakistan mullah baradran who started to target liberal and Non-Sunni founding fathers of Pakistan. One by one all of them were targeted and removed including the Hindu leadership of Pakistan.

All this culminated in the grand mullah ****** show of 1953 against Sir Zafarullah and Ahmadis which was violently quashed by the army.

The situation was such that the secular foundations of the country was attacked from the get go by the mullah-feudal alliance who were looking to keep their power intact.

India got saved when all these mullahs crossed over here, they can do things that even the best around find hard to deal with.

So, contrary to the belief that we would have been an advanced nation, we would have been in a holy mess if we would have stayed united. So partition was a good thing.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I just feel sad for them. For not being able to lead a simple , happy and carefree life like a middle/lower middle class person would in India. They are entangled in this web of hate and consumed by it.

I cant say anything about India, but from your statement I assume everything is hunky dory in India people of different faiths wake up with the songs of praise and shower rose petals when they see members of lower class or different faith crossing their path.
but indeed we have a different situation here maybe more or less like the rest of the world where some stories get reported and some dont but you can be damn sure that if I let out a loud fart in a public place and didnt feel ashamed about it then somebody somewhere in the world will pick that "incident" up and compile a heartrending article about the social & moral degradation of Pakistan with a prediction about its demise.

oh the rickshaws, sorry .... yea ... tell you what, they have little or no say about such political slogans on their vehicles. Almost all of them are funded by religious organisations and any hardworking and self respecting driver with a dilapidated roof of the rickshaw will be hard pressed not to go for some cash handout from a religious party office that will come with a condition of putting a political message.

why go far? I have myself sought free shoes from Jamat Islami during my college days. if there was a shirt about the genocide in Rwanda containing curses to Tutsis then maybe I and that Rickshaw driver would have put that on too. without even knowing what on earth that was on about.

In our Punjab city of Jhang, that is the birth place of our ultra violent deobandi group named as Siphah Sahaba, there was open wall chalking and distribution of stickers with Anti Shia slogans. they could be found on the walls of the shops, public transport and public buildings.

Dont get me wrong though, I am not absolving the coward Rickshaw drivers here, they should have flatly refused the handout and looked for another source of income if their vehicle was burnt down by the religious thugs.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

I cant say anything about India, but from your statement I assume everything is hunky dory in India people of different faiths wake up with the songs of praise and shower rose petals when they see members of lower class or different faith crossing their path.
but indeed we have a different situation here maybe more or less like the rest of the world where some stories get reported and some dont but you can be damn sure that if I let out a loud fart in a public place and didnt feel ashamed about it then somebody somewhere in the world will pick that "incident" up and compile a heartrending article about the social & moral degradation of Pakistan with a prediction about its demise.

oh the rickshaws, sorry .... yea ... tell you what, they have little or no say about such political slogans on their vehicles. Almost all of them are funded by religious organisations and any hardworking and self respecting driver with a dilapidated roof of the rickshaw will be hard pressed not to go for some cash handout from a religious party office that will come with a condition of putting a political message.

why go far? I have myself sought free shoes from Jamat Islami during my college days. if there was a shirt about the genocide in Rwanda containing curses to Tutsis then maybe I and that Rickshaw driver would have put that on too. without even knowing what on earth that was on about.

In our Punjab city of Jhang, that is the birth place of our ultra violent deobandi group named as Siphah Sahaba, there was open wall chalking and distribution of stickers with Anti Shia slogans. they could be found on the walls of the shops, public transport and public buildings.

Dont get me wrong though, I am not absolving the coward Rickshaw drivers here, they should have flatly refused the handout and looked for another source of income if their vehicle was burnt down by the religious thugs.

I hope you are not trying to trivialise this matter . Such slogans that can be read by almost anyone and everyone openly in public can give rise to extremists sentiment which is as it is wrecking havoc in Pakistan and occasionally makes it presence heard here in India as well .

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

What can they do when the situation played out differently?

After Jinnah passed away, many Congress supported mullahs like Mufti Mahmood and other Deobandi Ulema as well as Maulana Maududi jumped over to Pakistan initiating their Islamization campaign.

Liaqat Ali Khan was partial to anti-Pakistan mullah baradran who started to target liberal and Non-Sunni founding fathers of Pakistan. One by one all of them were targeted and removed including the Hindu leadership of Pakistan.

All this culminated in the grand mullah ****** show of 1953 against Sir Zafarullah and Ahmadis which was violently quashed by the army.

The situation was such that the secular foundations of the country was attacked from the get go by the mullah-feudal alliance who were looking to keep their power intact.

India got saved when all these mullahs crossed over here, they can do things that even the best around find hard to deal with.

We have our fair share of mullahs here .

Haven't you heard the kind of fatwas our deobandies here regularly keep giving ?

 

[RazPaK]

Even moderate Pakistanis don't like India. Forum is living proof of this. What's the big deal here?

 

[jayron]

I cant say anything about India, but from your statement I assume everything is hunky dory in India people of different faiths wake up with the songs of praise and shower rose petals when they see members of lower class or different faith crossing their path.
but indeed we have a different situation here maybe more or less like the rest of the world where some stories get reported and some dont but you can be damn sure that if I let out a loud fart in a public place and didnt feel ashamed about it then somebody somewhere in the world will pick that "incident" up and compile a heartrending article about the social & moral degradation of Pakistan with a prediction about its demise.

oh the rickshaws, sorry .... yea ... tell you what, they have little or no say about such political slogans on their vehicles. Almost all of them are funded by religious organisations and any hardworking and self respecting driver with a dilapidated roof of the rickshaw will be hard pressed not to go for some cash handout from a religious party office that will come with a condition of putting a political message.

why go far? I have myself sought free shoes from Jamat Islami during my college days. if there was a shirt about the genocide in Rwanda containing curses to Tutsis then maybe I and that Rickshaw driver would have put that on too. without even knowing what on earth that was on about.

In our Punjab city of Jhang, that is the birth place of our ultra violent deobandi group named as Siphah Sahaba, there was open wall chalking and distribution of stickers with Anti Shia slogans. they could be found on the walls of the shops, public transport and public buildings.

Dont get me wrong though, I am not absolving the coward Rickshaw drivers here, they should have flatly refused the handout and looked for another source of income if their vehicle was burnt down by the religious thugs.

Indians have enough things to occupy themselves with like the show biz industry, local politics. So the poor and lower middle class don't spend their time thinking about geo politics, religion and the problems in other countries. Another reason is Hinduism being a religion that is not organized enough to create propaganda based on religion.

 

[ARCHON]

Even moderate Pakistanis don't like India. Forum is living proof of this. What's the big deal here?

Forget moderate and hardcore... there must be some casual ones... the one with free mind to think and are not radicalised.. lets hope they like good relationships and dont see everything through the eyes of a religion...

 

[RazPaK]

Forget moderate and hardcore... there must be some casual ones... the one with free mind to think and are not radicalised.. lets hope they like good relationships and dont see everything through the eyes of a religion...

The casual ones have seen how India has dealt with Pakistan. We didn't just wake up and decide to hate each other one day. Over-simplifying the issue may give people a better's night sleep, but there is more to the hate between the countries than just "radicalism" and "fundamentalism".

 

[Irfan Baloch]

So, contrary to the belief that we would have been an advanced nation, we would have been in a holy mess if we would have stayed united. So partition was a good thing.

it is really unfortunate that decision to seek a separate homeland was seen negatively (please note I am not making a moral judgment of you are wrong and we are right).

Jinnah saw that it was preferable to divide India on the the bases of two big groups based on their respective majority in the certain part of India (specially after the introduction of Western democracy, that favored the majority group in the status quo) . you see even before and during the British Raj, our ethnic and religious differences regularly took a violent turn resulting in tens of thousands of deaths.

under most favorable conditions if there was a 60% chance that we would have lived with mutual respect and harmony (among all other smaller ethnic groups), then moving flint and tinder away from each other should have meant that that lovely mutual well being percentage should have gone up to 80%?

if in a society, the potential to go boom over ethnic differences exists then segregation is a permanent solution if the individual groups are not willing to budge from their line or point of view. see how much hue and cry is made by the white supremacists and xenophobes over the migration of the Asians in the west. they say their way of life is under threat and whatever defined their country will be lost due to ethnic minorities.

based on this, I would agree with you that the propensity for the poo to hit the fan would have been much higher if we were all together. issue is not just hindu and muslim but there are other ethnic and racial differences there at varying degrees. some are easily addressed (or quashed whatever is easy) by the respective states and some live on with us till today.

 

[Manas]

Even moderate Pakistanis don't like India. Forum is living proof of this. What's the big deal here?

100% true . But Who is a moderate Pakistani ?? Some one like Jiannah who practiced Islam moderately ??

I've yet to see a single pakistani who don't dislike Hindu religion and suffers from perceived threats of non existent Hindu India over Muslim Pakistan.

Pakistanis freely give gaalis to Hindus as if there is no Hindu live in Pakistan.