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When Pakistan tried to become a superstate

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  • Pakistan used Islamism post 71 as a source of cohesion among its diverse populace, 71 was seen as failure of secularism.
  • Same ideology could have been used for post soviet states for the same purpose as states were looking for an ideology.
  • Pakistan was well positioned to build its influence in post soviet states, and to do so it needed favourable conditions in Afghanistan. To achieve that Pakistan promoted jihadism and Taliban which backfired.
To cut long story short Pakistan botched it by promoting lunatics that scared off the central Asians and these lunatics turned on Pakistan too.
 
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One small point, Taliban actually protected the convoy of stuff that left from Central Asia which were in route to Pakistan, What Afghanistan did to Pakistan when we have our independence, I'd say Afghani's deserve every bit of shit storm they are getting now .. And i think we should own it up, You fcuk with us with Pashtoonistan BS, we Fcuked up your entire country to its core ..
 
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Overall a balanced video.. couldn't blame Pakistan for trying in the early 90s and even managed success by having a more friendly Taliban govt than the hostile Najeebullah govt..
But then the politics of the Middle East and beyond came to the region..
 
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All we know is USSR grand strategy and unconditional intelligence & military support was cardinal in breaking Pakistan into

  1. Bangladesh

Pakistan, in return, did this to USSR

  1. Armenia
  2. Azerbaijan
  3. Belarus
  4. Estonia
  5. Georgia
  6. Kazakhstan
  7. Kyrgyzstan
  8. Latvia
  9. Lithuania
  10. Moldova
  11. Tajikistan
  12. Turkmenistan
  13. Ukraine
  14. Uzbekistan
 
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All we know is USSR grand strategy and unconditional intelligence & military support was cardinal in breaking Pakistan into

  1. Bangladesh

Pakistan, in return, did this to USSR

  1. Armenia
  2. Azerbaijan
  3. Belarus
  4. Estonia
  5. Georgia
  6. Kazakhstan
  7. Kyrgyzstan
  8. Latvia
  9. Lithuania
  10. Moldova
  11. Tajikistan
  12. Turkmenistan
  13. Ukraine
  14. Uzbekistan

The term superpower with Pakistan isn't really inappropriate here.
By doing so you killed 70,000 of your own civilians , lost billions of dollars ,created fundamentalist ...
 
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I don't see why Pakistan should change its policy of promoting Islam in Central Asia. That region is within Pakistan's grasp. The truth is, Central Asians have been too damaged and traumatized by decades of brutal Soviet authoritarian rule and communism. On top of that, they are ruled by autocratic states that are dependent on Russia, and those highly authoritarian states of Central Asia are trying their level best to prevent an Islamic resurgence. Nevertheless, the ordinary people of Central Asia are fast rediscovering their Islamic faith and personal piety is seeing a revival. Authoritarian regimes can try to limit and control Religion as much as possible, but they can never satiate the spiritual thirst of their people with shallow patriotism and nationalism. Anyone who considers himself a proponent of the Islamic cause (which I realize is not going to encompass the entirety of the Muslim community, a large fraction of our community is only nominally Muslim, and prioritize other identities before their Religion, or are otherwise drowning in a secular lifestyle), must realize that the greatest adversaries to our cause are two nations: Russia and China. Both are committed to preventing an Islamic resurgence within their own borders and in Central Asia.
Now that the Taliban are coming back into the thick of things, and will have a considerable presence in any future Afghan government, Pakistan should seriously reconsider its position on promoting Islam in Central Asia. This policy succeeded big time in both NWFP and Baluchistan. Conservative religious groups like Tablighi Jamaat, Ahle Hadith, etc., went into those provinces, and were so successful in their evangelism they radically transformed the societies thus decimating popular support for leftism and ethnic separatism. That is essentially how Pakistan won the war in Baluchistan and managed to decimate the separatist insurrection.
 
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I don't see why Pakistan should change its policy of promoting Islam in Central Asia. That region is within Pakistan's grasp. The truth is, Central Asians have been too damaged and traumatized by decades of brutal Soviet authoritarian rule and communism. On top of that, they are ruled by autocratic states that are dependent on Russia, and those highly authoritarian states of Central Asia are trying their level best to prevent an Islamic resurgence. Nevertheless, the ordinary people of Central Asia are fast rediscovering their Islamic faith and personal piety is seeing a revival. Authoritarian regimes can try to limit and control Religion as much as possible, but they can never satiate the spiritual thirst of their people with shallow patriotism and nationalism. Anyone who considers himself a proponent of the Islamic cause (which I realize is not going to encompass the entirety of the Muslim community, a large fraction of our community is only nominally Muslim, and prioritize other identities before their Religion, or are otherwise drowning in a secular lifestyle), must realize that the greatest adversaries to our cause are two nations: Russia and China. Both are committed to preventing an Islamic resurgence within their own borders and in Central Asia.
Now that the Taliban are coming back into the thick of things, and will have a considerable presence in any future Afghan government, Pakistan should seriously reconsider its position on promoting Islam in Central Asia. This policy succeeded big time in both NWFP and Baluchistan. Conservative religious groups like Tablighi Jamaat, Ahle Hadith, etc., went into those provinces, and were so successful in their evangelism they radically transformed the societies thus decimating popular support for leftism and ethnic separatism. That is essentially how Pakistan won the war in Baluchistan and managed to decimate the separatist insurrection.
Pakistan has a lot of internal issues to sort out first before going out to influence other countries
 
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Pakistan has a lot of internal issues to sort out first before going out to influence other countries

If you want to progress and become strong, you can't let internal issues bog you down. Success comes from ambition and taking the initiative. A bit of adventurism wouldn't hurt Pakistan, what does it have to lose? As for Pakistan's internal issues, they are completely blown out of proportion and can be solved quite easily if there was the political will, and if we had a visionary leader (which sadly we haven't had since Jinnah).
 
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By doing so you killed 70,000 of your own civilians , lost billions of dollars ,created fundamentalist ...

And your point is wars don't cost?

Freedom doesn't come at a price?

It's all worth it.

70K plus counting (courtesy perennial enemy of Pakistan) is nothing compared to 1 million Indian Muslims dying at the time of partition.

But I repeat myself it's worth it.

Cost of war both human & material is what makes Hindus the most sissy people of the world. Don't apply your reasoning on Pakistan or sherdil Afghans.
 
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