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When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?

For those like @Hassan Al-Somal claim that they have no opinion whether the Holocaust occured, while at the same time show extremism hatred against Jews.

When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?



Contrary to popular belief this has nothing to do with Nazi records. There is this “half-myth” that floats around that the Nazis were great record keepers and thanks to these records we can accurately identify the number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust. This is inaccurate.

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To be clear the Nazis were great record keepers when they wanted to be. When it came to government administration, military accounting, and economic output the Nazis kept fantastic records. Moreover, many Nazi Generals survived the war and wrote extensively about their experiences before and during the war.

When it comes to the Holocaust we do have source documents that prove a lot and these documents are beyond valuable. They are exceedingly rare though and there isn’t a master list or anything like that. There is a good reason for this though.

As WW2 got going Hitler personally ordered the extermination of disabled persons in the infamous “Aktion T4”. This included a signed order from Hitler to identify, round up, and exterminate all disabled persons. There was an immediate response from the German people and the international community. So Hitler publically backtraced and canceled the order while continuing the extermination in secret. Protesting families were told that their loved ones were being transported to hospitals when really they were killed in the very vans that were supposed to take them there (the Nazis used gas vans as well as gas chambers).

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Hitler was thus never going to sign an order to kill all the Jews nor would anyone else. The entire SS high command was very hush-hush about the whole thing. They used code words, destroyed documents, bug up mass graves to burn the bodies, and very secretly went about their evil work.

There was never a list of all the Jews the Nazis killed. There were not even lists for individual concentration camps. In rare instances, we have records that show how many death certificates were sent out by the Nazis or how many inmates in a camp had died but these records are incomplete. At Auschwitz for instance there is a book that records some 70,000 who had died in the camp but this list excludes the 900,000 who were killed in the gas chambers upon arrival and the other 120,000 that died in the death marches or from various acts of brutality.


So where do we get “6 million” from and when did we identify that number?

So to answer the question the first estimate of “6 million” came about in 1945. A top SS official named Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl stated under oath that Adolf Eichmann had reported 6 million Jews killed. This was the first estimate we really had and it was based just upon a single confession.

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Past that we have to turn to data to find the answer. Prior to WW2 various nations and groups collected census data as we do today. A few examples include

  1. The Jewish Almanac in 1938
  2. The German Minority Census of 1939
  3. The Polish census of 1939
  4. Census data from the USSR from 1933–1940
Thanks to this data we have some idea of how many Jewish were alive in 1939 both globally and in Europe. Roughly speaking there were about 9 to 9.5 million Jewish in Europe and 15.5 to 15.8 million globally.

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We then know that by the time the war ended there were only about 3.5 million Jews left in Europe and somewhere around 9 million left globally.


So we have a disparity here of about 6 million. The question is how many of these people died in the Holocaust and how many died from other causes? You have to factor in death rates, birth rates, and the effect WW2 had on those statistics.

This is why figures vary because it depends on how you factor in death rates, birth rates, and what census data you use. Some historians peg the number at 5.2 million others say it could be as high as 6.2 million. Sadly we won’t ever know.

When it comes to totaling up how many were killed at the various camps we are also having to infer a bit.

Take Treblinka, an extermination camp I studied extensively. Thanks to a report from Chief SS Statistician Richard Korherr and another Telegram from top SS Offical Herman Hofle we know 713,000 Jews had perished at Treblinka by the end of 1942. The two documents had identical statistics showing that there was data being collected and kept ultra-classified. This data was related to “Operation Reinhard” which was the operation of the extermination camps and the liquidation of many Ghettos in Eastern Europe.

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The problem is that Treblinka operated into 1943 too and no records exist from this year. This is where train station controller Franciszek Ząbecki comes into the picture. This guy ran a train station right by Treblinka and noticed that trains arrived full of Jews and departed empty. He figured out what was going on, joined the Polish Resistance, and started painstakingly recording every train arrival for posterity. He also smuggled out many “way bills” that show how many were on each train. Thanks to him we can estimate how many trains arrived in 1942 and 1943. We can then do some basic math to find out how many Jews on average were on each train and come to a total estimate of 800,000ish.

Why “ish”? Well because we cannot verify exactly how many people were on each train. In 1943 Treblinka slowed considerably and while we have some “way-bills” that confirm numbers it’s hard to take these at face value. So the best estimate is 850,000 give or take. We are 100% more than 712,000 were killed there but we cannot give an exact number. Franciszek Ząbecki for his part did his own calculations based on what he saw and recorded and estimated the total at over 1 million- and he could be right.

So obviously it’s all rather complex and it took lots of serious study and research to accurately identify the number of victims. However, the numbers we do have are 100% accurate and based on mountains of evidence.

  • We have confession from top SS officials, top Nazi officials, camp commandants, camp guards, Gestapo members, Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing squad) members, and even just low ranking SS guys
  • We have eye witness testimony from hundreds of thousands of people. Many were Sonderkommandos, which were Jews forced to work in the gas chambers. Others are Polish, Soviet, Greek, German, French, and Romani camp survivors. Some witnesses were even people who managed to escape the death camps during the revolts there.
  • Census data is beyond reproach considering we have multiple sources that are all relatively close in their estimates. There is variance but we are talking about a few percentage points. Both the Nazis and Jews showed there were 9 million Jews in Europe and after the war every census ever done (and there have been hundreds) all showed that the global Jewish population shrank around 6 million
  • We have some scattered documents that fill in the blanks. For instance the mobile killing squads neatly recorded every single massacre and sent these reports into Berlin for SS leaders to see. We have hundreds of these reports.
So the crux of the estimates is the census data. That gives us a ballpark. To back up the census data we have a few confessions but very little here because if there was a “master list” for all the Jews killed, it was destroyed. So with a ball park number in mind we turn to various witnesses, confessions, and a few crucial source documents to fill in the blanks.

Based on my studies here is where the poor souls who were murdered in the Holocaust died. These are just my estimates based on my studies and certainly this is not the end all be all of estimates- but it paints a picture.

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WW1 photos, and """Jews""" that never identified as such.

Arabs began killing Jews before the Nazis did, and Palestinians never existed before the Nazis.

Cry some more, Israel is ours


What nonsense lol.

Almost all Jews are Zionist, Jews by definition view Israel as the holy land, only tiny cults view otherwise.

You blame Jews for the works of Stalin? Cope harder retard
i blame your uncle rothschild for the war and genocide, read balfour declaration it has rothschild name on it. stalin was a Georgian jew anyway. ashkenazi / khazars from southern russia dont have semetic blood. benjamin freedman exposed this.
 
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WW1 photos, and """Jews""" that never identified as such.

Arabs began killing Jews before the Nazis did, and Palestinians never existed before the Nazis.

Cry some more, Israel is ours


What nonsense lol.

Almost all Jews are Zionist, Jews by definition view Israel as the holy land, only tiny cults view otherwise.

You blame Jews for the works of Stalin? Cope harder retard
As I said before you are a descendant of Zios having countless crocodile tears.
Although this thread is started for the cause of Jews I am happy that now things will be discussed here including Palestinian genocide, open land grabbing/ house stealing by white settlers in the name of the promised land by God (from a Gob in which white settlers do not even believe), ethnic cleansing, children abductions and murders, concentration camps for Palestinians, trying to erase Palestine history, and much more.
Much more will be discussed here Insha Allah and also how the end of Zionism will come. Although you zios know your end well, still we will make your memory fresh.
Personally never liked the holocaust (if ever happened) but the extreme propaganda from your side makes things questionable and also I winder if it ever happened what is the excuse to do the same or worse things to Palestinians?

The Jewish race has been a curse since God created them from day one. A mistake through and through.
That's why their end will be with Dajjal and defeat will be utter humiliation and complete eradication.
 
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The Jewish race has been a curse since God created them from day one. A mistake through and through.
That's not correct. They have been the chosen people by God. However,after they rejected the Messiah,they were scattered.

And like Saint Saint Seraphim of Sarov (+1833) had said:

"The Jews and the Slavs are the two peoples of the destinies of God, the vessels and witnesses of Him, the unbroken arks; but the other peoples will be as it were spittle which the Lord will spit out of His mouth. The Jews were scattered over the face of the whole earth because they did not accept and did not recognise the Lord Jesus Christ. But in the times of the Antichrist many Jews will be converted to Christ, since they will understand that the Messiah whom they mistakenly wait for is none other than he about whom our Lord Jesus Christ said: 'I have come in the name of My Father, and they have not received Me, another will come in his own name, and they will receive him.'

And so, in spite of their great crime before God, the Jews were and are a people beloved before God. But the Slavs are beloved of God because they will preserve true faith in the Lord Jesus Christ to the end. They will completely reject the Antichrist and will not accept him as the Messiah, for which they will be counted worthy of great blessings by God. They will be the first and most powerful people on the earth, and there will be no more powerful state than the Russian-Slavic in the world."

Or like Saint Paisios (+1994) had said:

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Jews were treated like 5th class citizens and herded into labor camps against their will but there were no mass killings or use of Zyklon B in an attempt to wipe out Jews. There is no evidence of gassings of Jews or written plans to kill all the Jews besides some forced confessions of surviving Nazis which were taken by torture during the trials. It is impossible to kill Six Million in the span of six years during the war, Europe would have human remains and ashes scattered all around if that was the case
 
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Should Europe use your comments as a plan for handling all the ”people of colour” that you have ”dumped” on Europe?
Or should we dismiss the as the ramblings of a racist culture?
That depends, tho. If the "people of color" nations all gang up on europe and colonize and exploit it for centuries and then on their way out, forcefully settle their unwanted people in europe. Then for decades, support them in their genocide of Europeans, then I'd say you'd have a right to be angry.
 
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That depends, tho. If the "people of color" nations all gang up on europe and colonize and exploit it for centuries and then on their way out, forcefully settle their unwanted people in europe. Then for decades, support them in their genocide of Europeans, then I'd say you'd have a right to be angry.
The problem is that you guys put all Europeans in one basket. It's as if you hate India,but want to destroy Nepal,Bhutan and Sri Lanka as well.
 
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exactly White Europeans killed 6 million Jews their problem

dont make it our problem

its called guilty conscious, they have a guilty conscious so are always looking to blame someone

Whites enslaved 40 millón Black Africans to build USA

now they say to China that China has bad human rights towards Africa

Europeans killed 65 million native Americans by giving them dirty diseases from Europe because whites would only wash 1 time per year

then they say China gave COVID to the World

hypocrites
Not their guilty conscience makes them close their eyes while the poor ol' zionists (not all jews) commit the Palestinian holocaust.

but your Greek and your not white

please sit down
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The problem is that you guys put all Europeans in one basket. It's as if you hate India,but want to destroy Nepal,Bhutan and Sri Lanka as well.
It's easier that way. :D

Don't most europeans and american bracket all muslims together? Unless they are like, the super liberal type.

On a serious note, no bro. We only got a problem with the racists and self-righteous ones, looking down on us. Calling us anti-semitic while conveniently fanning the israel-palestine conflict and brushing their own millenia old history of genocide after genocide under the carpet.

That being said, we do have racists and unreasonable people here. But, what can they do? A brown bigot can only rant. White bigots enable the global war machine.

Before you cite terrorism, please know that it is 100% a response to the western meddling in the (after centuries of colonization)

Read professor robert pape. he says 100% of the suicide attacks he studied could be linked to real or percieved injustices by the target country/group towards the perpetrator, and not due to religion.

Islam was here for almost 1400 years before terrorism started. and we had plenty of time to kill the infidels.
When the spanish were persecuting and driving out the muslims invaders (like they were still invaders after 800 years), guess who they also persecuting and driving out? the jews.
jews who then found refuge in the ottoman empire and north africa.
Watch corey gil shuster interview mizrahim about their and their ancestors life in islamic countries before moving to israel. guess who the crusaders also murdered when they took over jerusalem? the jews (and the wrong type of christians, i think arians or orthodox, basically non-catholics)

shit only hit the fan when after colonization and false promises, the illegitimate state was propped up as a thorn in the arabs side.

note: while i believe the israel to be an illegitimate state, i am all for 1967 borders two state solution. I in no way advocate for the exodus or any sort persecution of the jews already living their, except those fking settlers. they should be gassed. and the palestinians should get reparations. if israel is too poor to do it, the enablers of the palestinian genocide like uk, germany, USA should have no problem paying palestianians if they can pay the israelis. they are responsible for the whole mess.

Do you guys somehow imagine Hellenes to be like BBC's Troy or something? 🤔
No idea about bbc's troy. But you guys resembles italians relatively closely tho, right?
And italians were infamously discriminated against in the the US for being not real white people
That's what made me laugh.

On a serious note, does it matter if you are white or wheat-ish or brown? Ignore the people bring up color. We are talking about the actions of countries.
 
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White bigots enable the global war machine.
Jews rule the world actually

No idea about bbc's troy. But you guys resembles italians relatively closely tho, right?
And italians were infamously discriminated against in the the US for being not real white people
That's what made me laugh.
Yeah they keep portraying the Italians as "olive-colored" people. It depends on parts of Italy,parts of Greece. We are white,but Mediterranean. Which means we're not like the blonde,fair or ginger northern and central Europeans. You know,the ones who come to Greece for vacations and instead of getting tanned,they get all red (literally). If you got to the islands,especially southeast Aegean and Cyprus,Greeks there are more tanned. Well,basically they have way more sun than the rest of us in the mainland.

I've been told I look like a Turk,Arab,Armenian,Jew the most. That app where you put a photo of yours and it finds the nationalities you look like,I tried some photos of mine and most of the time I got Greek,Armenian,Israeli,Emirati (or other Arab)and some latin american nationalities. But I'm normally white.
 
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Jews rule the world actually
I don't believe that. It's entirely possible that the people ruling the world may happen to be jews or atheists (cuz who cares when you are so rich and powerful) of jewish ancestry. But their power isn't conditional on them being jews.

If they were ruling the world, they wouldn't be getting shafted for most of their existence.

That being said, the unconditional western support to israel 100% baffles me. It can't be that a bunch of illiterate evangelicals are dictating the course of human history. Also, why would the US dems be so pro-israel then. evangelicals are not their vote bank. and it's not like these people care about jews all of a sudden. i mean, the layman might. and it's because the media portrays the jews to be the victims today (they were for the most part). but why would the media do so, is beyond me.

Yeah they keep portraying the Italians as "olive-colored" people. It depends on parts of Italy,parts of Greece. We are white,but Mediterranean. Which means we're not like the blonde,fair or ginger northern and central Europeans. You know,the ones who come to Greece for vacations and instead of getting tanned,they get all red (literally). If you got to the islands,especially southeast Aegean and Cyprus,Greeks there are more tanned. Well,basically they have way more sun than the rest of us in the mainland.

I've been told I look like a Turk,Arab,Armenian,Jew the most. That app where you put a photo of yours and it finds the nationalities you look like,I tried some photos of mine and most of the time I got Greek,Armenian,Israeli,Emirati (or other Arab)and some latin american nationalities. But I'm normally white.
Yes, i can understand that, bro
tbf, I don't know why people are so worked up about color. when we are going to get out of this color divide. I can understand having differences over languages, (ease of communication) nationalities/regions (shared geopolitical interests), religion etc. but this color divide escapes me. It's pure racism and the can only be expected from people with the lowest of IQ. that's why even tho i've personally hated religious extremists from a very young age, i put racists even beneath them.
 
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Europeans have done terrible things to Jewish people. for centuries they have been persecuted till 2nd world war. Muslims always came to their rescue and have been asked by God to treat Jews with love and respect as they are the people of the book.
 
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