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When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?

For those like @Hassan Al-Somal claim that they have no opinion whether the Holocaust occured, while at the same time show extremism hatred against Jews.

When did the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis become well known at 6 million?



Contrary to popular belief this has nothing to do with Nazi records. There is this “half-myth” that floats around that the Nazis were great record keepers and thanks to these records we can accurately identify the number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust. This is inaccurate.

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To be clear the Nazis were great record keepers when they wanted to be. When it came to government administration, military accounting, and economic output the Nazis kept fantastic records. Moreover, many Nazi Generals survived the war and wrote extensively about their experiences before and during the war.

When it comes to the Holocaust we do have source documents that prove a lot and these documents are beyond valuable. They are exceedingly rare though and there isn’t a master list or anything like that. There is a good reason for this though.

As WW2 got going Hitler personally ordered the extermination of disabled persons in the infamous “Aktion T4”. This included a signed order from Hitler to identify, round up, and exterminate all disabled persons. There was an immediate response from the German people and the international community. So Hitler publically backtraced and canceled the order while continuing the extermination in secret. Protesting families were told that their loved ones were being transported to hospitals when really they were killed in the very vans that were supposed to take them there (the Nazis used gas vans as well as gas chambers).

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Hitler was thus never going to sign an order to kill all the Jews nor would anyone else. The entire SS high command was very hush-hush about the whole thing. They used code words, destroyed documents, bug up mass graves to burn the bodies, and very secretly went about their evil work.

There was never a list of all the Jews the Nazis killed. There were not even lists for individual concentration camps. In rare instances, we have records that show how many death certificates were sent out by the Nazis or how many inmates in a camp had died but these records are incomplete. At Auschwitz for instance there is a book that records some 70,000 who had died in the camp but this list excludes the 900,000 who were killed in the gas chambers upon arrival and the other 120,000 that died in the death marches or from various acts of brutality.


So where do we get “6 million” from and when did we identify that number?

So to answer the question the first estimate of “6 million” came about in 1945. A top SS official named Dr. Wilhelm Hoettl stated under oath that Adolf Eichmann had reported 6 million Jews killed. This was the first estimate we really had and it was based just upon a single confession.

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Past that we have to turn to data to find the answer. Prior to WW2 various nations and groups collected census data as we do today. A few examples include

  1. The Jewish Almanac in 1938
  2. The German Minority Census of 1939
  3. The Polish census of 1939
  4. Census data from the USSR from 1933–1940
Thanks to this data we have some idea of how many Jewish were alive in 1939 both globally and in Europe. Roughly speaking there were about 9 to 9.5 million Jewish in Europe and 15.5 to 15.8 million globally.

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We then know that by the time the war ended there were only about 3.5 million Jews left in Europe and somewhere around 9 million left globally.


So we have a disparity here of about 6 million. The question is how many of these people died in the Holocaust and how many died from other causes? You have to factor in death rates, birth rates, and the effect WW2 had on those statistics.

This is why figures vary because it depends on how you factor in death rates, birth rates, and what census data you use. Some historians peg the number at 5.2 million others say it could be as high as 6.2 million. Sadly we won’t ever know.

When it comes to totaling up how many were killed at the various camps we are also having to infer a bit.

Take Treblinka, an extermination camp I studied extensively. Thanks to a report from Chief SS Statistician Richard Korherr and another Telegram from top SS Offical Herman Hofle we know 713,000 Jews had perished at Treblinka by the end of 1942. The two documents had identical statistics showing that there was data being collected and kept ultra-classified. This data was related to “Operation Reinhard” which was the operation of the extermination camps and the liquidation of many Ghettos in Eastern Europe.

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The problem is that Treblinka operated into 1943 too and no records exist from this year. This is where train station controller Franciszek Ząbecki comes into the picture. This guy ran a train station right by Treblinka and noticed that trains arrived full of Jews and departed empty. He figured out what was going on, joined the Polish Resistance, and started painstakingly recording every train arrival for posterity. He also smuggled out many “way bills” that show how many were on each train. Thanks to him we can estimate how many trains arrived in 1942 and 1943. We can then do some basic math to find out how many Jews on average were on each train and come to a total estimate of 800,000ish.

Why “ish”? Well because we cannot verify exactly how many people were on each train. In 1943 Treblinka slowed considerably and while we have some “way-bills” that confirm numbers it’s hard to take these at face value. So the best estimate is 850,000 give or take. We are 100% more than 712,000 were killed there but we cannot give an exact number. Franciszek Ząbecki for his part did his own calculations based on what he saw and recorded and estimated the total at over 1 million- and he could be right.

So obviously it’s all rather complex and it took lots of serious study and research to accurately identify the number of victims. However, the numbers we do have are 100% accurate and based on mountains of evidence.

  • We have confession from top SS officials, top Nazi officials, camp commandants, camp guards, Gestapo members, Einsatzgruppen (mobile killing squad) members, and even just low ranking SS guys
  • We have eye witness testimony from hundreds of thousands of people. Many were Sonderkommandos, which were Jews forced to work in the gas chambers. Others are Polish, Soviet, Greek, German, French, and Romani camp survivors. Some witnesses were even people who managed to escape the death camps during the revolts there.
  • Census data is beyond reproach considering we have multiple sources that are all relatively close in their estimates. There is variance but we are talking about a few percentage points. Both the Nazis and Jews showed there were 9 million Jews in Europe and after the war every census ever done (and there have been hundreds) all showed that the global Jewish population shrank around 6 million
  • We have some scattered documents that fill in the blanks. For instance the mobile killing squads neatly recorded every single massacre and sent these reports into Berlin for SS leaders to see. We have hundreds of these reports.
So the crux of the estimates is the census data. That gives us a ballpark. To back up the census data we have a few confessions but very little here because if there was a “master list” for all the Jews killed, it was destroyed. So with a ball park number in mind we turn to various witnesses, confessions, and a few crucial source documents to fill in the blanks.

Based on my studies here is where the poor souls who were murdered in the Holocaust died. These are just my estimates based on my studies and certainly this is not the end all be all of estimates- but it paints a picture.

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Sweden has never truly apologised for taking part in the holocaust on voluntary basis.

Antisemitism in Sweden is as fashionable as it was in the 1920s and 1930s and recent right wing manifestos emanating from Sweden are deeply disturbing.
 
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6 millions or 1 million, it must not repeat never again.

So it's not so important the exact number.

Except by the people which narrative is distract people talking about that.
 
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6 millions or 1 million, it must not repeat never again.

So it's not so important the exact number.

Except by the people which narrative is distract people talking about that.
I agree the number don't matter .

مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيراً مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فِي الأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ ﴾٣٢﴿
32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all humankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
 
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The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a "Palestinian" (He never identified that way because it wasn't a nationality) was the one that convinced Hitler to not proceed with the Haavara agreement (which was meant to transfer the Jews of Germany to Israel) and influenced him towards the final solution against the Jews.

Add more fuel to the fire, the Arabs tried to wipe out the a bunch of holocaust survivors 3 years after the end of the holocaust and now they cry we conquered them as a result.

and why not? Jews were stealing Palestine land way before Holocaust and under British mandate started stealing so off course Palestinians will look for alliance

and by the way Jews were also involved in the Holocaust the guards at Auschwitz were Jewish and so were the people doing the killing

The Waffen-SS also had high ranking Jews serving

Nazi also had a Jewish regiment just read this book

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mufti.jpeg
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a "Palestinian" (He never identified that way because it wasn't a nationality) was the one that convinced Hitler to not proceed with the Haavara agreement (which was meant to transfer the Jews of Germany to Israel) and influenced him towards the final solution against the Jews.

Add more fuel to the fire, the Arabs tried to wipe out the a bunch of holocaust survivors 3 years after the end of the holocaust and now they cry we conquered them as a result.

Do you get brainwashed daily or is it some intensive training course each Israeli go through before hitting puberty?
 
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mufti.jpeg
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a "Palestinian" (He never identified that way because it wasn't a nationality) was the one that convinced Hitler to not proceed with the Haavara agreement (which was meant to transfer the Jews of Germany to Israel) and influenced him towards the final solution against the Jews.

Add more fuel to the fire, the Arabs tried to wipe out the a bunch of holocaust survivors 3 years after the end of the holocaust and now they cry we conquered them as a result.
That's cute, how many Palestinians were part of SS?
How many participated in the Holocaust?

And 3 years later, stungang and other Jewish lunatics were ethnic cleansing Palestinians from their lands, bombing the British and alot worse.

And oh wait, here are Jews who taught for Nazi Germany
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You are the one making racist comments about ”white people” and ”people of colour”. That is why You are on ignore from now.
Consult a doctor man your brain is fried. You took my post very out of context!

Who knows some day you folks might start tagging Muslims as racists to justify your killings. Oh sorry you already do this. lol...
 
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That's cute, how many Palestinians were part of SS?
How many participated in the Holocaust?

And 3 years later, stungang and other Jewish lunatics were ethnic cleansing Palestinians from their lands, bombing the British and alot worse.

And oh wait, here are Jews who taught for Nazi Germany
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The Jewish terrorist organization, Irgun was active since the late 1920s, way before the Holocaust. Haganah, another neo-fascist entity also existed way before the Holocaust. Selective amnesia is what our "Chosen" compatriots suffer from
 
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6 millions or 1 million, it must not repeat never again.

So it's not so important the exact number.
Jewish holocaust never happened. Jew do everything inhumane they claim nazis did to them. Jews actively spread and sponsor Islamophobia, jews vote for ultra right wing politicians, jew kill Palestinians and steal their properties, Gaza is the largest concentration camp on earth thanks to the jews.

Jews must payback for their crimes with interest...
 
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no hitler no israel, jews should have statue of hitler as founding father of israel.

the only jews that died were the ones who were opposed to Zionism.

weeding out the undesirables. while in communist russia zion jews were busy killing christians in gulags. wat bout holodomor holocaust in ukraine.
 
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That's cute, how many Palestinians were part of SS?
How many participated in the Holocaust?

And 3 years later, stungang and other Jewish lunatics were ethnic cleansing Palestinians from their lands, bombing the British and alot worse.

And oh wait, here are Jews who taught for Nazi Germany
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WW1 photos, and """Jews""" that never identified as such.

Arabs began killing Jews before the Nazis did, and Palestinians never existed before the Nazis.

Cry some more, Israel is ours


no hitler no israel, jews should have statue of hitler as founding father of israel.

the only jews that died were the ones who were opposed to Zionism.

weeding out the undesirables. while in communist russia zion jews were busy killing christians in gulags. wat bout holodomor holocaust in ukraine.
What nonsense lol.

Almost all Jews are Zionist, Jews by definition view Israel as the holy land, only tiny cults view otherwise.

You blame Jews for the works of Stalin? Cope harder retard
 
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