What’s up lately with Pak-KSA relations ?

[StormBreaker]

Since 2 weeks, many things are pointing to a direction in which Pak and KSA are not on same page or are having some sort of RIFTS.

- KSA unwilling to Back Kashmir in OIC

- PMIK’s statement to Mahatir “We couldn’t attend KL Summit due to Pressure from KSA”

- Pak-Iran to collaborate on Film Industry focusing on historical Islamic characters

- Iran trying to create a Bloc of muslim countries to cooperate in terms of intel on security of region including turkey and Pak as well as Qatar and Malaysia.


What are your views guys ? What has happened all of a sudden ?

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Verve @waz @The Eagle @MastanKhan @PakSword

 

[StormBreaker]

@Rafi @araz @aliyusuf @TruthSeeker You guys are invited as well in order to maintain an informative and deep discussion.

 

[SIPRA]

Yes. On a number of geopolitical issues Pakistan and KSA don't see eye to eye; but, still, I think, that they will keep on maintaining, very good relations, owing to certain overbearing economic, strategic and religious compulsions. With Iran, most probably, Pakistan's relations would remain somewhat close to neutral.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

If KSA ditch Pakistan then they will show their true face to muslim world which still thinks that KSA is rightful owner of Islam.

 

[The Accountant]

KSA wants to lead the Islamic countries but at the same time do not want to compromise on national interest.

KSA is not understanding that being leader you have to protect interests of your member entities otherwise noone is interested in making efforts for prosperous KSA.

For us our own national interest is priority. We are willing to work on a middle gorund but KSA is not and at the end OIC is going to be closed. Currently in Islamic world there are 7 powerful countries KSA, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia, UAE and Egypt.

Turkey, Iran and Malaysia have already decided to undermine OIC and forming a new block. On the other side UAE, KSA and Egypt are putting weight on OIC as they dominate the organization. Pakistan is trying to remain neutral firstly due to our economic crisis secondly the current government is the biggest supporter of united Muslims fronts. However, if we change side then there is a fair chance of forming a powrful muslim selected alliance alternate to OIC.

Since 2 weeks, many things are pointing to a direction in which Pak and KSA are not on same page or are having some sort of RIFTS.

- KSA unwilling to Back Kashmir in OIC

- PMIK’s statement to Mahatir “We couldn’t attend KL Summit due to Pressure from KSA”

- Pak-Iran to collaborate on Film Industry focusing on historical Islamic characters

- Iran trying to create a Bloc of muslim countries to cooperate in terms of intel on security of region including turkey and Pak as well as Qatar and Malaysia.


What are your views guys ? What has happened all of a sudden ?

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Verve @waz @The Eagle @MastanKhan @PakSword

 

[MastanKhan]

Since 2 weeks, many things are pointing to a direction in which Pak and KSA are not on same page or are having some sort of RIFTS.

- KSA unwilling to Back Kashmir in OIC

- PMIK’s statement to Mahatir “We couldn’t attend KL Summit due to Pressure from KSA”

- Pak-Iran to collaborate on Film Industry focusing on historical Islamic characters

- Iran trying to create a Bloc of muslim countries to cooperate in terms of intel on security of region including turkey and Pak as well as Qatar and Malaysia.


What are your views guys ? What has happened all of a sudden ?

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Verve @waz @The Eagle @MastanKhan @PakSword

Hi,

IK as usual is very careless in what he says---and no one has the ballz to teach him and no one wants to---.

If KSA ditch Pakistan then they will show their true face to muslim world which still thinks that KSA is rightful owner of Islam.

Hi,

And pakistan has not shown its true face by deceiving KSA---?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hi,

IK as usual is very careless in what he says---and no one has the ballz to teach him and no one wants to---.



Hi,

And pakistan has not shown its true face by deceiving KSA---?

How has Pakistan deceived KSA? Its KSA that has sponsored religious extremism in Pakistan and throughout muslim world.

 

[StormBreaker]

If KSA ditch Pakistan then they will show their true face to muslim world which still thinks that KSA is rightful owner of Islam.

Not helping the original question and convo...

 

[waz]

Since 2 weeks, many things are pointing to a direction in which Pak and KSA are not on same page or are having some sort of RIFTS.

- KSA unwilling to Back Kashmir in OIC

- PMIK’s statement to Mahatir “We couldn’t attend KL Summit due to Pressure from KSA”

- Pak-Iran to collaborate on Film Industry focusing on historical Islamic characters

- Iran trying to create a Bloc of muslim countries to cooperate in terms of intel on security of region including turkey and Pak as well as Qatar and Malaysia.


What are your views guys ? What has happened all of a sudden ?

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Verve @waz @The Eagle @MastanKhan @PakSword

The current crop of Saudi royals don’t care about the ties their forefathers fostered, and Pakistan remains stuck in retro relationships.

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi,

IK as usual is very careless in what he says---and no one has the ballz to teach him and no one wants to---.



Hi,

And pakistan has not shown its true face by deceiving KSA---?

That i must say, This was utter rubbish by IK to say such a statement.

At times i think, why did i even support him, he is not a politician, a good man ? Possibly, but not a politician.

There is a limit to reverting statements and this guy exceeds it...

Even if Pak might be having some disagreements with KSA at the moment, such statements further downplay the relations in long term, a humiliation to KSA as they publicly claimed that we didn’t pressurize Pakistan to not go to the summit.

Throwing eggs in one basket is the game of ladies and emotional people with fanboyish attitude. Just because you are hearing sweet words from Turkey and Malaysia, doesn’t mean you just get down on knees to them and forget those who are hosting a huge chunk of your expats who send remittances and thus saving your own country from further less employment rate. And these same allies have loaned you a huge sum to keep as reserves, will turkey or Malaysia do the same in 2020 February ? No, they are weak in terms of economy.

The current crop of Saudi royals don’t care about the ties their forefathers fostered, and Pakistan remains stuck in retro relationships.

I see where you are coming from,

Thats what i believe since long, “Zabardasti/Guzara” relation, which has pre set rules NOT set by this generation and the current generation of relations lack ambitions and interests, serving some other purpose of someone else.

Normally, actually mostly, a hardworking man creates a business empire, only to wait for the golden spooned son to relax on chair, lazy and in time, destroy the hardwork of the father.

 

[YeBeWarned]

KSA lost its mind and trying to become a total dictatorship , trying to play leader of Islamic world by using its wealth and they are pushing Pakistan into the corner where the Relationship will/might seen some backdrop . Honestly if its not for Mecca and Medina , KSA has no importance for Pakistan .

 

[aliyusuf]

Since 2 weeks, many things are pointing to a direction in which Pak and KSA are not on same page or are having some sort of RIFTS.

- KSA unwilling to Back Kashmir in OIC

- PMIK’s statement to Mahatir “We couldn’t attend KL Summit due to Pressure from KSA”

- Pak-Iran to collaborate on Film Industry focusing on historical Islamic characters

- Iran trying to create a Bloc of muslim countries to cooperate in terms of intel on security of region including turkey and Pak as well as Qatar and Malaysia.

Oye Shahzade,

Read the Game of Chicken once again... you shall find all your answers.

@Reddington dug up some extra validations too...

Paks just don't know how to fill the Hole in the Soul...the day we figure that one out... would be the day...

Just have a look at the map of Eurasia!

GCC/ME including Iran are our strategic partners and we need to develop even better relationships with them...

Mangus

Well ... seems like it is Turkey and Malaysia, who are taking the initiative. The rest are following suit. Pakistan would do well to do so too.

Having Qatar and Iran aboard adds diversity yet coherence of views.

For too long the Saudi's have been the benevolent elder brother who have been shaping the ME policies. It has been Ok until the advent of the current Saudi regime came to power. The tilt towards the US is now absolute. The clandestine growing influence of the Zionists in Saudi matters is alarming. Tilt towards India is just the last nail in the so called coffin of the deference that Pakistan had held the Saudi Arabia throughout it's history. We need to stand on our own economic feet. Stop taking hand out's and start increasing national production. Create our economic, diplomatic and security bloc that is not against anyone but more in support of each other. OIC seems to be hostage to the the policies of the Arab League. Pan Islamism has no sway with major Arab countries. Most of them are vying for a more closer tie with the US. In that context supporting India is part of their US appeasement policy. Saudi Arabia has pledged something like 75 to 100 bn USD investment in India. Well I think it's high time Pakistan take a new look to it's Arabian policy. However, having said that, we need to stay wary of the Iranians too.

 

[StormBreaker]

KSA lost its mind and trying to become a total dictatorship , trying to play leader of Islamic world by using its wealth and they are pushing Pakistan into the corner where the Relationship will/might seen some backdrop . Honestly if its not for Mecca and Medina , KSA has no importance for Pakistan .

That’s actually one good point, didn’t think of it.

Turkey, Malaysia and Iran have caused enough controversy and question OIC that the influence of KSA is soon to be questioned

 

[MastanKhan]

The current crop of Saudi royals don’t care about the ties their forefathers fostered, and Pakistan remains stuck in retro relationships.

Hi,

After their forefathers built the ties---now it is our turn to build the ties---.

Saudi royals do care---it is pakistan who has fckd up bad for the last 6-7 years---.

We were given enough chances to retain and take charge of the geographic area---. It is us who rejected them---.

 

[Dil_Pakistan]

Basically SA & its leadership looks at its own interest (tbh anyone should or would). But the think is that they have trapped themselves with that one issue of Khishougi & are now being blackmailed through it. Anything contrary to US or Israel interest & there will be trouble. India obviously uses Israel to get what it wants.
In current scenario, it will be very difficult to have SA truly in Pak corner. So looking at those constraints, perhaps Pak state has decided to do what is best for it in current scenario. We will still play a bridge gap & at large a neutral role but have to look at Pak interest first.
Statement of IK in Malaysia was not an off the cuff or ill thought remark imo. It seemed done with & after deliberation. Probably we already got signals that we will not be getting what we wanted wrt the OIC thing (despite being promised earlier when we pulled out of Malaysia summit).
Slightly digressing but i feel like the FO particularly SMQ seem to be more pro or more like more pandering to the ME & Gulf (& probably & likely even to US, allies etc.). Maybe SMQ is still jockeying for PMship knowing these are traditionally the main power brokers and international establishment players when it comes to Pakistan.
Pak state as whole i think though will likely want its interests to be put first and maintain a more neutral & binding approach.