What's the evidence?

[roadrunner]

Check out this report:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...denies-any-48-hour-deadline-4.html#post237329

This is quoted by AM.

Convinced now! Kuchh aur pesh kiya jaye!

Umm. I hate to break this to you. But that's not even a publication quote, let alone an official one. That's a quote off an internet forum as the basis of your case! LOL Your ship has sunk my friend, the straws won't save you.

 

[PCfriends]

I think the Indians do not have the right to provoke war because they do not have sufficient evidence.
Pakistan always supports fighting against terrorism.

 

[Goodperson]

What more proof is required? see the action by Pakistan within 48 hours This seems to be a token one given GOP seemed to have got good evidence to compel it to take action given the stance it took earlier.

Pakistan 'raids militant camp'
Pakistan military activity has been seen at a camp used by the banned militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir.

Witnesses heard several loud explosions and saw a helicopter and dozens of army personnel at the scene.
A BBC correspondent in Muzaffarabad said the camp was cordoned off.
Pakistani officials have refused to confirm reports they have taken over the camp. India accused Lashkar-e-Taiba of links to the recent Mumbai attacks.
Pressure from India has been mounting on Pakistan to take action against the group.
The BBC's Zulfikar Ali in Muzaffarabad says he has been unable to reach the camp because of the cordon, but did see about 14 army vehicles leaving the area.
There has been no response from Lashkar-e-Taiba about the activity, our correspondent adds.
Islamabad denies any involvement in the Mumbai attacks which left at least 170 people dead, but some of the gunmen are said to have had links to Pakistani militants.
Indian investigators have said that the only gunman captured in Mumbai, Azam Amir Qasab, had been indoctrinated by Lashkar-e-Taiba, and trained at a camp run by the group.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Pakistan 'raids militant camp'

 

[roadrunner]

I think the Indians do not have the right to provoke war because they do not have sufficient evidence.
Pakistan always supports fighting against terrorism.

True, they don't have any evidence in fact. They seem to read one report and then start jumping around. What they have is confessions from a drugged out terrorist having his nuts twisted, and Sherlock Holmes reporters that are able to piece things together better than ISI can. Most of that is inferred too.

 

[roadrunner]

What more proof is required? see the action by Pakistan within 48 hours This seems to be a token one given GOP seemed to have got good evidence to compel it to take action given the stance it took earlier.

Pakistan 'raids militant camp'
Pakistan military activity has been seen at a camp used by the banned militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir.

Witnesses heard several loud explosions and saw a helicopter and dozens of army personnel at the scene.
A BBC correspondent in Muzaffarabad said the camp was cordoned off.
Pakistani officials have refused to confirm reports they have taken over the camp. India accused Lashkar-e-Taiba of links to the recent Mumbai attacks.
Pressure from India has been mounting on Pakistan to take action against the group.
The BBC's Zulfikar Ali in Muzaffarabad says he has been unable to reach the camp because of the cordon, but did see about 14 army vehicles leaving the area.
There has been no response from Lashkar-e-Taiba about the activity, our correspondent adds.
Islamabad denies any involvement in the Mumbai attacks which left at least 170 people dead, but some of the gunmen are said to have had links to Pakistani militants.
Indian investigators have said that the only gunman captured in Mumbai, Azam Amir Qasab, had been indoctrinated by Lashkar-e-Taiba, and trained at a camp run by the group.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Pakistan 'raids militant camp'

Right, Islamabad denies any involvement. That's important, and proof enough that ISI have checked out this so called link and found it to be bogus. One nerdy journalist is your proof. I could travel to an Indian village right now, and make a story up of my own with enough $$ about anything I liked, in fact by giving a little anonymity.

The Kalava is not weak evidence as this. It's something genuine and I can see with my own eyes. Plus I can hear he speaks Hindi. This is much stronger evidence than interviewing a couple of unamed goat herders.

 

[Goodperson]

You missed reading part marked in bold and already it is taking action within 48 hours not all is leaked to the media.

Islamabad denies any involvement in the Mumbai attacks which left at least 170 people dead, but some of the gunmen are said to have had links to Pakistani militants.

 

[roadrunner]

You missed reading part marked in bold and already it is taking action within 48 hours not all is leaked to the media.

I don't know, perhaps this is the problem. you can't read English. That quote does not say that Pakistan said the gunman have links to Pakistan.

That quote says that "it" is said some of the gunman have links to Pakistan. The "it" could be anyone. It could be your pet buffalo even.

 

[Goodperson]

Rice: 'No doubt' Mumbai attacks planned in Pakistan

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- "There's no doubt" that the deadly attack on India's financial capital last month was planned inside Pakistan, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told CNN on Sunday.
On Sunday, Rice said LeT and al Qaeda "tend to travel in the same circles," though she declined to directly link either group to the Mumbai attack. But she stressed that Pakistan is obligated to root out terrorists within its borders.

"Well, I don't want to go into too much detail here because, obviously, in counterterrorism no one wants to tip the hand of what has happened here and what may happen in the future," Rice said. "The important thing now is to get these perpetrators and to prevent follow-on attacks. And Pakistan's cooperation, Pakistan's action, is absolutely essential to doing that."

Asked about possible ties between Pakistan's government and LeT, Rice acknowledged "there have been historic ties -- there's no doubt about that."

Her comments to CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" were the most definitive made by a top-ranking U.S. official regarding Pakistan's connection to the November 26-29 attack on Mumbai, in which more than 170 were killed and hundreds of others were wounded.

"Well, I think there's no doubt that Pakistani territory was used by probably non-state actors," Rice said. "I don't think that there is compelling evidence of involvement of Pakistani officials. But I do think that Pakistan has a responsibility to act, and it doesn't matter that they're non-state actors."

Last week, Rice traveled to the region to try to ease tension between India and Pakistan, both nuclear powers and key allies of the United States. While in New Delhi, India, she called on Pakistan to take responsibility for terrorists operating within its borders.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has said "stateless actors" carried out the attack while Indian authorities say they believe all the attackers were Pakistanis, specifically blaming Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT), an Islamic militant group based in Pakistan.

U.S. counterterrorism officials say signs point to LeT, and they haven't seen anything to rule it out. However, they have not definitively said the group is responsible. U.S. Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell said during an appearance Tuesday at Harvard University that the Mumbai attacks were carried out by the same group responsible for the parliament attack and a series of bomb explosions aboard trains and at railway stations in Mumbai in 2006 -- though he didn't specifically name LeT.

LeT has denied any responsibility for the attacks, but a suspect in custody -- whom India has said was one of 10 gunmen in the attacks -- told interrogators he was trained by LeT, Indian authorities said. India said its forces killed nine gunmen.
"But Pakistan is a different place now with a civilian government and an army leadership that is working in concert to try to bring an end to extremism within Pakistan," she said.

"We have to remember that Pakistan itself has been suffering at the hands of extremism. So whatever the history here, and there is a history, the important thing is that Pakistan act against those who used

Rice: 'No doubt' Mumbai attacks planned in Pakistan - CNN.com

 

[donrahul]

RR.. Sorry for this. But I have read your threads on IVC and they are real good. But I wonder, what happened now. You are sticking to trivialities.. Like The red band, the terrorist wore. Heck even the Media dint make it a big issue and now you are talking about the way, a line in an article is to be interpreted. They may make good talking points in a court of Law in a Bollywood film, but not here in life where the discusssion is about a real person, singing like a canary to the investigators.. and about statements from the Pakistani Government and journals.

 

[Goodperson]

US to ask UN for sanctions against Pak terror agents

WASHINGTON/NEW DELHI: International pressure on Pakistan is mounting by the day. Hameed Gul, the most controversial ISI chief who accelerated the transformation
of Pakistan into a sponsor of terror and is close to al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden and Taliban, may not be given up to India, but it is likely the UN will impose sanctions on him for his links with jihadis. ( Watch )

According to reports, the US will be sending a list of names of prominent Pakistanis for sanctions, to add to the pressure on Islamabad to take action against terror groups.

The Pakistan terror rogues' gallery includes members like Lt Gen Javed Nasir, another former chief of the ISI, who, it is said, installed the first mujahideen government in Afghanistan under Sibghatullah Mojadedi, and thereafter became the progenitor of the Taliban.

Also on the list are Zafirul Islam Abbasi, who reportedly collaborated with Pakistani extremists to launch the J&K insurgency in 1989, after being expelled as military attache in 1988, and a former army chief. Although there is no confirmation, it's likely this army chief is General Mirza Aslam Beg, who is close to Osama and the head of Pakistan's nuclear Wal-Mart, A Q Khan.

US state department deputy spokesman Robert Wood on Friday refused to contradict the reports. Asked if the US had already sent the names of some Pakistani individuals, including several retired ISI officials, to the Security Council for addition to the UN terrorist sanctions list, he told a briefing in Washington, "I'm not going to comment on names that we may or may not submit to the UN. It wouldn't be appropriate for me to do so at this point."

Wood said that details of the list of names to be submitted to the Security Council would be revealed when the document is sent to the UN. Once the UN is given names, it's incumbent on member states to freeze the assets of such designated individuals.

The attempt is intended to name and shame Pakistan in the wake of its obduracy after the Mumbai attacks. Pakistani newspapers quoted Gul as describing the charges as "hilarious".

Pakistani officials and politicians, meanwhile, continue to raise the India bogey. The latest came from Pakistan high commissioner to the UK, Wajid Shamsul Hassan, who said Pakistan feared India would launch military strikes against it after last week's Mumbai attacks, but that it held back after the US and UK intervened. There is evidence that India wanted "to teach Pakistan a lesson", he said.

"This is what we were told by our friends that there could possibly be a quick strike at some of the areas they suspect to be the training camps, an air raid or something of that sort," he told BBC in an interview.

"There was circumstantial evidence that India was going to make a quick strike against Pakistan to teach it a lesson," the high commissioner said.

US to ask UN for sanctions against Pak terror agents-India-The Times of India

 

[donrahul]

Would the above article mean that the US missed the red kalava thing? or did the Chinese failed to spot it and inform it to the UN?

 

[roadrunner]

RR.. Sorry for this. But I have read your threads on IVC and they are real good. But I wonder, what happened now. You are sticking to trivialities.. Like The red band, the terrorist wore. Heck even the Media dint make it a big issue and now you are talking about the way, a line in an article is to be interpreted. They may make good talking points in a court of Law in a Bollywood film, but not here in life where the discusssion is about a real person, singing like a canary to the investigators.. and about statements from the Pakistani Government and journals.

You're suggesting that Indian police/interrogators wouldn't torture someone to get a confession. I disagree.

You're suggesting the red Kalava band is insignificant. I disagree. It's a fanatic on a suicide mission. Any religious symbol shows his devotion.

You're suggesting that I am interpreting that line incorrectly. I disagree. You're clutching at straws if you think I don't know how to read English.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I don't know whether the US National Security Agency (NSA) would release actual recordings of the satellite phone calls or not. The NSA most likely has voice recordings but the disclosure would make obvious their technical capabilities, so they would not want to do so. I think the case is that the NSA scoops up all communications traffic but does not have the capacity to analyze but a tiny fraction of it. So, it retrospectively goes back and finds recorded traffic from places and times that become known to be important. Most likely they have provided transcripts of any satellite calls made by the Mumbai attackers to India and Pakistan. Of course, with just transcripts, everyone has to trust the NSA to be providing true information.

 

[donrahul]

You're suggesting that Indian police/interrogators wouldn't torture someone to get a confession. I disagree.

You're suggesting the red Kalava band is insignificant. I disagree. It's a fanatic on a suicide mission. Any religious symbol shows his devotion.

You're suggesting that I am interpreting that line incorrectly. I disagree. You're clutching at straws if you think I don't know how to read English.

What you deem important or significant is hardly picked up by the world press or for that matter the Pakistani Press. Perhaps you should share your observations with them

 

[Flintlock]

Has there been any official response from Pakistan to either the BBC/Guardian investigations or the comments by Condoleeza Rice?