WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MUSLIMS IN INDIA 2020

[The Accountant]

I have also suggested how to prove me wrong. Please if you can't prove your sincerity then STFU.

Kid this is not india where u can treat muslims the way u want ... keep your mouth in senses otherwise u will be kicked out of the forum.

Its not me who has to prove anything. Its reports of 100s of clashes in India killing muslims and statements of BJP leaders.

Go and read them yourself as everyone here knows them except for hindus who are blind in hatred of muslims.

 

[El Sidd]

Except in a decade, there will be none given the abduction rate of Hindu and Christian girls. Lol.

That was said one month after August 14 1947 as well.

There is a thread which literally quoted a timeline of genocide of Muslims and Christians by 2021. From elected parliamentarians in India.

I honestly feel you cannot fake things in 2020. It was a different world 20 years ago where Modi a terrorist declared escaped war on terror.

 

[Rusty]

Now you are just trolling moron.

says the guy who literally wants minorities to move away instead of the criminals to stop being criminals.

That is how sick you people are.

And honestly, you are the rape capital of the world because you think like this.

 

[El Sidd]

Boring. Please learn the facts not your propaganda.

Ask Siri she will let you know.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It all started in 1920 for Jinnah got it right at that time.....

What a set of piercing eyes Jinnah had!!! Sparking like a rotor as if he could see through the curtains of deception of Satans among men....

 

[jamahir]

I admire Owaisi but he is all talk and no action. He has not meaningfully accomplished anything to improve the living conditions of Muslims in India.

People like Owaisi are so afraid of being called anti-national that they are more focused on proving loyalty towards Indian state

I agree with you on that point. That is why I don't trust Owaisi. He's too reluctant to point out the very real and obvious social, economic and political problems in India.

Indian Muslims will always be persecuted as long as they believe they are Indians first and Muslims second.

I disagree.

Indian Muslims should stop feeling always victimized and looking inwards, and start identifying sympathetically with other Indian oppressed communities like farmers, students, women, socialists and liberals. Only then will the Indian Muslims be able to contribute to developing an evolved Indian society for all. For this the Indian Muslims need leaders like Shehla Rashid and Umar Khalid.

 

[Politico]

I have no problem giving Indian Muslims sanctuary in Pakistan. 1 nation theory was a farce from 1947.

Thanks but no thanks

 

[Chhatrapati]

I disagree.

Indian Muslims should stop feeling always victimized and looking inwards, and start identifying sympathetically with other Indian oppressed communities like farmers, students, women, socialists and liberals. Only then will the Indian Muslims be able to contribute to developing an evolved Indian society for all. For this the Indian Muslims need leaders like Shehla Rashid and Umar Khalid.

I'd rather have real Islamists lead Muslims than some toilet Islamists like Shehla Rashid or Umar Khalid, both claiming to be communist but are religious and talk for one particular community, (mostly true for Shehla). You need to stop fantasizing about communists ruling the roost, that time has passed, we had our good lol socialism in the past many decades and see how that turned out for us.

 

[xyx007]

Indian muslims should fight to be recognised for they being Indian rather than muslims. That's the only way to defeat any propaganda against them. If they start to look to external help, they would trading troubles with conflicts.

Muslims of India have the same issues as any sections of Indian populace. By voicing them as a collective muslim issues, they are separating themselves from the rest of India. That is why I like Owaisi, he would raise all the issues of discrimination and hate against muslims but would never compromise questions on his Indianness.


Let that Imran instead of crying all the time about persecution of muslims in India, offer something of the sort you are proposing. That way he could demonstrate his sincerity. If Indian muslims rush to Pakistan like you believe (lol), you might show that to the world and ask for more land as a trade. You might even get whole of Kashmir if that is accomplished.

whatever you said is the same ideology of an ascendant Hindu nationalist group wants minority Muslims and Christians accept that India is a nation of Hindus, and is pushing some of them to convert. Hindustan means the land of Hindus. There's another shocking revelation that is not good for neighboring countries and soon will be available publicly that Indian army motto and structure is going to change on RSS Hindutva ideology.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Modi will be winning the election till the time all the paeudo secular parties do not use the hindus as the hostage for secularism of India..BJP is not perfect but it has no alternative....

India has no alternative other than to balkanize.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Things are fine for Muslims in India.

There is the unfortunate odd flare up but by and large they're ok.

A LOT of their wounds are self inflicted because they have chosen to "otherize" themselves.

This particular type of otherization is not seen in other real minorities of India, xtians, sikhs, parsis.. you name it.

Shias, bohras etc not that much at all, it is overwhelmingly the religious sunnis.. not sure wtf is going on with that lot, but could it be that they are being compelled by ideology to not integrate into the mainstream ?

It's like the whole of India is on one side, including the Shias and other Islamic sects, and the Christians, and the Parsis, and the Sikhs, Buddhists and virtually everyone else on the other.

and then there's the religious Sunnis on the other side, all comfy and wrapped up in some delusional blanket of Islamic supremacism, make 14 babies, don't educate them, indoctrinate them with with the "kafir bad" way of thinking, their women are just baby creation machines, enslave them in full black burkas/no rights.. the boys get to go to a madrassa, girls deprived basic rights, no education (which is free), no nothing....

a pathetically low percentage of them sign up for the forces too

almost like they just want a caliphate here, to hell with life on earth, the "afterlife" is all

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Things are fine for Muslims in India.

There is the unfortunate odd flare up but by and large they're ok.

A LOT of their wounds are self inflicted because they have chosen to "otherize" themselves.

This particular type of otherization is not seen in other real minorities of India, xtians, sikhs, parsis.. you name it.

Shias, bohras etc not that much at all, it is overwhelmingly the religious sunnis.. not sure wtf is going on with that lot, but could it be that they are being compelled by ideology to not integrate into the mainstream ?

It's like the whole of India is on one side, including the Shias and other Islamic sects, and the Christians, and the Parsis, and the Sikhs, Buddhists and virtually everyone else on the other.

and then there's the religious Sunnis on the other side, all comfy and wrapped up in some delusional blanket of Islamic supremacism, make 14 babies, don't educate them, indoctrinate them with with the "kafir bad" way of thinking, their women are just baby creation machines, enslave them in full black burkas/no rights.. the boys get to go to a madrassa, girls deprived basic rights, no education (which is free), no nothing....

a pathetically low percentage of them sign up for the forces too

almost like they just want a caliphate here, to hell with life on earth, the "afterlife" is all

Yeah,.. if its the muslims who get killed and lynched, then things are fine in India but when someone else gets the hit then its the problem...
well, recently, a muslim "molana Saad" is being targeted by the Indians and with him the whole muslim community. Those allegations can be applied to Modi himself, who brought the Students from China and caused Corona to spread in India but no,. its the muslims and will always be the muslims. Thats how things work in India...

 

[Sharma Ji]

Yeah,.. if its the muslims who get killed and lynched, then things are fine in India but when someone else gets the hit then its the problem...

Who said it's fine if the muslims get "killed and lynched" ?

well, recently, a muslim "molana Saad" is being targeted by the Indians and with him the whole muslim community. Those allegations can be applied to Modi himself, who brought the Students from China and caused Corona to spread in India but no,. its the muslims and will always be the muslims. Thats how things work in India...

It was either Molana Saad, or one of his underlingams, who are on record on audio claiming the virus thing is a conspiracy against muslims, and was actively advocating for breaking all government guidelines/rules.

Foreign attendees to his jamaat also flouted quarantine rules and fled/evaded the law/medical professionals who were trying to track down contacts of possible carriers on the virus.

Some sections of the media covered the whole thing very poorly, that bit is true though.

Virus aside, things are ok.

The anti CAA protests were completely unnecessary, the muslims (some sections, with sanction from, and in collusion with powerful political groups) orchestrated the Delhi riots, they won big on Day 1. Nicely choreographed to coincide with President Trump's visit. Not a new tactic if you're familiar with other US Presidential visits in the recent past and when the right happens to be in control...

As long as they're people who believe they're "muslim" first (or any other denomination first), and Indian second.. there will be a pushback.

Indian Shias etc don't feel that way, no other real minority thinks/feels that way. Religious Sunnis though, a lot of them, seem to have this separatist, otherist, differentist, superiorist streak ingrained in them that they just can not seem to let go of.

They wear it on their sleeves, they 'shout it from the barricades..'

Keep shouting then, the country is moving and progressing on.. they can keep stewing in their pot of jihadist rage. They can keep haleeming themselves all they want.

 

[jamahir]

I'd rather have real Islamists lead Muslims

Those you think are the "real Islamists" have misunderstood True Islam which in spirit and system is a Leftist ideology.

than some toilet Islamists like Shehla Rashid or Umar Khalid, both claiming to be communist but are religious and talk for one particular community, (mostly true for Shehla).

I believe that just like me Umar too is not a person obsessed with prayer, ritual and a certain dress-code.

About Shehla I will quote Sidharth Bhatia's article :

It is perhaps the very attributes mentioned earlier that angers right-wing Hindutva warriors and the establishment. She not just irritates them but threatens their worldview. Add to that the fact that she is a Leftist, a woman, a Muslim and a Kashmiri – it makes her positively radioactive.

What is wrong if Shehla and Umar voice concern about communities who face problems, like Muslims generally or Kashmiris ??

And if they wanted to chant "Muslim, Muslim" they would have recanted their Leftist background and joined the Tableeghi Jamaat.

You need to stop fantasizing about communists ruling the roost, that time has passed, we had our good lol socialism in the past many decades and see how that turned out for us.

Can you tell me in what ways was India socialist in the past many decades ??

As example, the Bombay Stock Exchange which was established in 1875 and is Asia's oldest stock change, continued without break since Independence. A stock exchange is basically a system of speculation. Not quite socialist.

Another example. Between 1995 and 2015 more than 300,000 farmers in India committed suicide primarily due to economic harassment by high-interest-taking non-government money lenders of all types. These suicides would have probably been going on since Independence. Again, not quite socialist.

India is a highly capitalist society - socially and economically.

The Preamble to the Indian Constitution declares India to also be a Socialist Republic :

The term ‘Socialist’ was added in the Preamble by 42nd Amendment, 1976 which means the achievement of socialist ends through democratic means. It is basically a ‘Democratic Socialism’ that holds faith in a mixed economy where both private and public sectors co-exist side by side.

This is a partial understanding of socialism which has allowed things like farmer suicides and stock exchanges to exist and therefore there must be a national dialogue to make India more socialist so that the society is harmonious.

 

[Suriya]

Thank God for Pakistan!

Yaa, Thank God for Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Depends if Indians are foolish enough to vote Modi again in next election.

In that case, there will be no more Muslims left in India to lynch because Indians will have lynched them all!

In Pakistan, 90% people are normal and 10% people are extremists
In India, 90% people are extremists and 10% people are normal.

So in India, RSS extremists are normal and normal people are extremists.

LOL Still Pakistan became an Islamic state since last 70 years. And India with 90% people are extremists
still not a Hindu nation. How strange and ironical.