Whats behind Hezbullah's success ?

[Major d1]

The success of the protest movements did result in a moderation of Hamas' verbiage ... “what ultimately broke Hezbollah's monopoly on popular legitimacy—what ... rather than violent resistant struggles ideologicall. Hizballah is a terrorist group, but terrorism is only a small part of what the ... that Hizballah was probably behind the 2005 assassination of the anti-Syrian Prime ... has a strong and deep commitment to Hizballah and its success in Lebanon.

Assad is a dog- And only Dog can assist another dog.

Hezbollah involvement in the Syrian Civil War has been substantial almost since the beginning of armed insurgency in late 2011, and turned into active support and troops deployment since 2012. By 2014, Hezbollah involvement was steady and staunch insupport of the ... Geneive Abdo opined that Hezbollah's support for al-Assad in the Syrian war. When asked to compare Hezbollah fighting in Syria with foreign fighters supporting the rebels, Assad said: "There is a big difference.

Hezbollah fighters carry the coffins of comrades who were killed in battles in Syria.

 

[500]

https://theaviationist.com/2014/04/10/shahed-drone-over-syria/

Thats drone with 2000 km range? LOL

Discipline, Meritocracy, Professionalism, Training, Motivation and Strong Friends.

This is what sets Hezbollah apart from other Rag Tag Armies in the Middle East and other Militas. Hezbollah itself is an Institution, which other Arab Armies are not. While Nepotism, Clan, Loyalty are more important than Merit in other Arab Armies, Hezbollah employs strict Meritocracy. Hezbollah Officers and Soldiers are well trained, drilled and De Centralized like any other Professional Army where the Officer on the Ground can make decisions in the heat of the battle unlike Arab Armies where it is highly Centralized and an approval is required from multiple layers.

While Hezbollah Officers on the field have the Power to make decisions on the Ground, Arab Armies largely have to follow Orders from their Superiors black and white who are not even on the Ground. This allows Hezbollah Officers to think outside the box, come up with innovative solutions. An ideal example would be Rebel ATGM's which have proved to be a major headache for the SAA Armour. SAA Armour despite getting decimated many times, continued to be poured out on the field once again exposing itself to an ATGM shot. Hezbollah came up with a genius solution. They launched fast movers on bikes to attack these ATGM hell holes before the SAA Armour moves up. Simple, but a deadly solution. In contrast, there is a video a couple of years ago where massed SAA Armour continued to advance despite getting hit right, left and centre because those were the orders. And keep in mind this is Hezbollah's B Army fighting in Syria, the A Army is still deployed against Israel.

At the end of the day, a well trained, lead, disciplined, motivated Army will defeat its opponent 99.9 out of 100 times if the latter lacks all of these. Despite being poor, India and Pakistan field extremely Professional Armies. Why is that? Meritocracy. A son of a Jawan can rise up to be the COAS in Pakistan or Indian Army, but can the same be said about Egyptian, Syrian, Saudi or Iraqi Army? I don't think so. Hezbollah is full of examples of simple soldiers rising to the top positions of Hezbollah's Fighting Arm only because of merit. Hezbollah indeed is very impressive, and like any other Professional Army they learn from their mistakes. I can't say the same about Arab Armies especially the SAA which continues to make the same mistakes over and over again.

I really dont know what makes u think that Indian and Pakistani armies are much more professional than Arab. And since when bikes became a magic solution vs. ATGMs? I dont see any Hezbie bikes in Aleppo where the most ATGMs are used.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Discipline, Meritocracy, Professionalism, Training, Motivation and Strong Friends.

This is what sets Hezbollah apart from other Rag Tag Armies in the Middle East and other Militas. Hezbollah itself is an Institution, which other Arab Armies are not. While Nepotism, Clan, Loyalty are more important than Merit in other Arab Armies, Hezbollah employs strict Meritocracy. Hezbollah Officers and Soldiers are well trained, drilled and De Centralized like any other Professional Army where the Officer on the Ground can make decisions in the heat of the battle unlike Arab Armies where it is highly Centralized and an approval is required from multiple layers.

While Hezbollah Officers on the field have the Power to make decisions on the Ground, Arab Armies largely have to follow Orders from their Superiors black and white who are not even on the Ground. This allows Hezbollah Officers to think outside the box, come up with innovative solutions. An ideal example would be Rebel ATGM's which have proved to be a major headache for the SAA Armour. SAA Armour despite getting decimated many times, continued to be poured out on the field once again exposing itself to an ATGM shot. Hezbollah came up with a genius solution. They launched fast movers on bikes to attack these ATGM hell holes before the SAA Armour moves up. Simple, but a deadly solution. In contrast, there is a video a couple of years ago where massed SAA Armour continued to advance despite getting hit right, left and centre because those were the orders. And keep in mind this is Hezbollah's B Army fighting in Syria, the A Army is still deployed against Israel.

At the end of the day, a well trained, lead, disciplined, motivated Army will defeat its opponent 99.9 out of 100 times if the latter lacks all of these. Despite being poor, India and Pakistan field extremely Professional Armies. Why is that? Meritocracy. A son of a Jawan can rise up to be the COAS in Pakistan or Indian Army, but can the same be said about Egyptian, Syrian, Saudi or Iraqi Army? I don't think so. Hezbollah is full of examples of simple soldiers rising to the top positions of Hezbollah's Fighting Arm only because of merit. Hezbollah indeed is very impressive, and like any other Professional Army they learn from their mistakes. I can't say the same about Arab Armies especially the SAA which continues to make the same mistakes over and over again.

On a documentary a Hezbollah fighter said we learned from the Israelis how to train our soldiers that's may be true in regard to how professional they are and how effective they are too.

If Iraqis who fight in Syria a good fighters that's due to them being trained by hezbollah as I would suppose.
In another documentary an Israeli officer said today we faced an Iranian commando relating to a fight in south lebanon with Hezbollah fighters if that is true that means Iranian have good training courses and effective.

 

[notorious_eagle]

I really dont know what makes u think that Indian and Pakistani armies are much more professional than Arab.

Well than you don't really know these Armies at all than. The Senior Most General does not has to be a Clansmen or a Prince, rather whoever is the most qualified. Comparing a Professional Fighting Force such as the Indian Army or the Pakistani Army against the Tin Pot Arab Armies ? Is this a joke.

And since when bikes became a magic solution vs. ATGMs? I dont see any Hezbie bikes in Aleppo where the most ATGMs are used.

That's one solution. The gist of my argument is that Hezbollah Officers are far more innovative than their counterparts. Bikes are no magic solution, but it certainly was out of the box thinking just like ISIS with VBIED's. The most effective solution to defeat ATGM's is combined warfare. Effectively using artillery with utmost precision with advancing armoured formations. That's something the SAA still needs to learn and master, something Indian and Pakistani Officers mastered decades ago. Here's one difference for you.

On a documentary a Hezbollah fighter said we learned from the Israelis how to train our soldiers that's may be true in regard to how professional they are and how effective they are too.

If Iraqis who fight in Syria a good fighters that's due to them being trained by hezbollah as I would suppose.
In another documentary an Israeli officer said today we faced an Iranian commando relating to a fight in south lebanon with Hezbollah fighters if that is true that means Iranian have good training courses and effective.

No nationality is born with fighting traits, they are taught and harnessed. No doubt that Hezbollah and Iranian IRGC are very well trained and disciplined. Same goes for Iraqi Special Forces. They are well trained, lead and very disciplined. Iraqi Army's problem was its Officers, that were largely hand picked by Maliki due to their loyalty. Once that was cleansed, and Iraqi Army was allowed to reorganized, Iraqi Army proved to be a very effective fighting force. Now they are slapping ISIS left, right and centre. This was the same ISIS that in the Summer of 2014 almost reached the Gates of Baghdad and was looking unstoppable.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Thats drone with 2000 km range? LOL

Got any proof to back up your skepticism? Or is it just trolling as usual?

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

I'll keep it to science for now if that's alright. And I'll keep it to Iranians living in Iran and not abroad.

Neurology, Of course, biggest don't mean = best


stem cell research

Nuclear research


Nano technology,
"Iran ranked 23rd in the world in Nanotechnology in 2007,By 2012, Iran ranked 8th in nanotechnologies.

" Iran holds mono-digit ranking in science fields, such as Chemical Engineering, Mechanic, Nano-Tech, and Bio-Tech."

Actually, i could mention tae kwon do, wrestling and weightlifting too where they rank as some of the best in the world, since its the olympics

And just because i saw the pics of a drone, washingtoninstitute, "In the late 1980s, Iran deployed a drone armed with six RPG-7 rounds in the Iran–Iraq War. This was the first time an armed drone was used in war."

These are just a few examples.
As i said, give it time. And when Iran has free access to technology and isn't isolated. It will learn, grow and build.

I personally like the way the Chinese handle Geopolitics as well as development. And would want Iran to adopt a similar strategy.

1. Neurology - the example you gave means nothing. You are just constructing a building.

2. Stem cell research - I quote

Iran was the 10th country in the world to produce, culture and freeze hES cells.... The nine previous countries were Sweden, Japan, the United States, Australia, Britain, India, South Korea, and Singapore.

How is this an achievement?

Tiny Sweden, Australia, Korea, Singapore achieved this feat before you, and you are only the 10th country in the world?


3. Nuclear research - You are just being offered a place to collaborate on ITER. Do you understand what collaboration means? And what does collaboration have to do with being the best in the business?

4. " Iran holds mono-digit ranking in science fields, such as Chemical Engineering, Mechanic, Nano-Tech, and Bio-Tech"

Where did you come up with this from? What is mono-digit ranking? Show me where is Iran the fastest growing scientific power in 2015 or 2016, not from five years ago, and show me where is Iran the leading country in the world in any sector of scientific activity or where is on par with leading countries.

LOL "mono digit rankings"

5. Olympics - Iran never places in the top 10 of medals winners. Why did you bring that up?


6. Drone? Who buys Iranian drones?

You could just as well have said Iran was the first in the world in every field to slap a label "Ya Ali" on the products or "Ya Abol Fazl" on its side.


Is it too difficult for you to understand ?

Just show us an area where is simply the best, the leader, or plays alongside the best, meaning that if the best performer achieves 100, Iran achieves at least 99 or 98 or such, which is not far from 100.

 

[Anaoshak]

Stem cell research? You came to the party a little bit too late, don't you think?
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/stem-cell-research-is-blooming-in-israel.premium-1.515396

The article i posted from the washington post said Iran is at the forefront, and yours from Hareetz say that Israel's stem cell research is blooming. As i mentioned, give it time. Once Iran has access to technology It'll develop even more in all the mentioned fields.

Nuclear research? We're already a power

No wonder, you have Access to technology. And I'm talking about non nuclear weapon technology.

Nano technology according to who?

Statnano, this year Iran improved their ranking "Iran improves nano ranking to 6th, exceeding Japan".

Did Iran invent something in the Nano technology, chemical engineering, bio-tech or science fields, or it just started recently? because Israel is the leading party in all of those fields

No, Israel is not the leading party in those fields.
In Nano technology, the leading party is U.S, followed by China and Japan.
I haven't even found ranking of them in above top 10.
Chemical engineering, the U.S and Japan tops that.
Bio-tech, again Israel Isn't in the top 10 there either. U.S followed by Denmark and New Zealand are the top ones.

But "Israel is ranked among the top nations benefiting from foreign venture capital." as well as Access to technology.
I'm not saying Israel is not an innovative country, they are. But they do what they can with what they have, as i mentioned. They have unlimited access to technology as well as several joint projects with the U.S and Europe, which is how they learn.

Also: you might wanna compare this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Iranian_inventions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_inventions

Why would i want to compare an incomplete Wikipedia invention list?
And as i mentioned to you, check the background of those inventors in Israel. All of whom had access to technology, most of whom went and studied in the U.S and etc. And also, most of whom have had american/european help in their projects.

We won medals while you didn't even win one yet
Judo, swimming and a few more sports

You won a bronze medal in female Judo.
And it's your first medal since 2008.
Congratulations.

2. Stem cell research - I quote

How is this an achievement?

Tiny Sweden, Australia, Korea, Singapore achieved this feat before you, and you are only the 10th country in the world?

I'll just quote a small part from the same paper that you are quoting which is from 2006, 10 years ago. But you should read the whole paper. (Stem Cell Science in Iran David W.G. Morrison1 and Ali Khademhossein Jan 2006) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228651304_Stem_cell_science_in_Iran
"Due to the inability of the Iranian biomedical scientists to purchase directly from the manufacturers, the cost of purchasing supplies in Iran is typically much more expensive than prices in the US. In addition, the quality of these products is often compromised, to a degree that some scientists perform their experiments on multiple independently obtained batches of reagents to ensure that the products are authentic. Additionally, Iranian researchers commonly are not granted visas to other country‟s and are therefore unable to attend valuable conferences and have meaningful collaborations."

3. Nuclear research - You are just being offered a place to collaborate on ITER. Do you understand what collaboration means? And what does collaboration have to do with being the best in the business?

As you call it "Play alongside the best".
As i mentioned to you, now that they have more access than they've had for the last 2 decades. They'll grow. And once more sanctions are off in the 2020s , they'll grow even more. All of the achievements that I've mentioned here are done under sanctions.

4. " Iran holds mono-digit ranking in science fields, such as Chemical Engineering, Mechanic, Nano-Tech, and Bio-Tech"

Where did you come up with this from? What is mono-digit ranking? Show me where is Iran the fastest growing scientific power in 2015 or 2016, not from five years ago, and show me where is Iran the leading country in the world in any sector of scientific activity or where is on par with leading countries.

You'll have to wait until there is more data. That article and study is from 2015. But the data they used is from 5 years ago, yes.

5. Olympics - Iran never places in the top 10 of medals winners. Why did you bring that up?

You mentioned in sports, those are a couple of sports where Iran are considered the best.

6. Drone? Who buys Iranian drones?

You could just as well have said Iran was the first in the world in every field to slap a label "Ya Ali" on the products or "Ya Abol Fazl" on its side.

Right. Not even going to justify that with an answer. Obviously your texts that you're writing is not really based on fact and more on resentment.

Is it too difficult for you to understand ?

Just show us an area where is simply the best, the leader, or plays alongside the best, meaning that if the best performer achieves 100, Iran achieves at least 99 or 98 or such, which is not far from 100.

I've given you plenty of examples where they are alongside the best. And above the countries you've mentioned earlier. As i mentioned,give it time. Or maybe you can't understand the fact that without access = slow development. And Iran did more than well with the sanctions it has on it.
I'll say top 10 is more than good. And they'll improve even more, the more access they have to technology as well as being less isolated. Even under sanctions, they've ranked higher than countries like Japan this year in Nano-technology.

And this is just science that I'm mostly taking into account here. Not business or anything else like that.
You see, there is a reason why certain studies say that Iran could become a great power (super power is sort of a stretch at the moment). And the less sanctions it has on it and more access to technology as well as knowledge and resources. The more likely It'll go that path.

You might think Iran is full of religious people and that's all there is to Iran. But Iran is a lot more than just that.
In the middle east, they dominate in several Scientific fields.
And we are proud to say that we are in the top 10 of countries in the world in several fields, even top 5 despite having some of the harshest sanctions in history on us. And others trying to limit us as well as Isolate us.

We will grow. Trust me. And the less sanctions we have on us, the faster we will grow.

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

Statnano, this year Iran improved their ranking "Iran improves nano ranking to 6th, exceeding Japan".

1. Statnano is an Iranian maintained database.
2. Iran is not even close to the 6th rank in any meaningful way. You are currently ranked 6th in only the 'volume' quantity of papers published in nano article. FYI, India is also ranked 3rd in that category.

In quality, you are nowhere in sight. Some proxies used for quality are h-index for countries, h-index for institutions, citations per million people, citations per paper (this can be easily rigged by self citations).

No, Israel is not the leading party in those fields.
In Nano technology, the leading party is U.S, followed by China and Japan.
I haven't even found ranking of them in above top 10.
Chemical engineering, the U.S and Japan tops that.
Bio-tech, again Israel Isn't in the top 10 there either. U.S followed by Denmark and New Zealand are the top ones.

But "Israel is ranked among the top nations benefiting from foreign venture capital." as well as Access to technology.
I'm not saying Israel is not an innovative country, they are. But they do what they can with what they have, as i mentioned. They have unlimited access to technology as well as several joint projects with the U.S and Europe, which is how they learn.

Israel is not a leading country in any of those fields either. Where did you find the rankings that you speak of?

I'll just quote a small part from the same paper that you are quoting which is from 2006, 10 years ago. But you should read the whole paper. (Stem Cell Science in Iran David W.G. Morrison1 and Ali Khademhossein Jan 2006)
"Due to the inability of the Iranian biomedical scientists to purchase directly from the manufacturers, the cost of purchasing supplies in Iran is typically much more expensive than prices in the US. In addition, the quality of these products is often compromised, to a degree that some scientists perform their experiments on multiple independently obtained batches of reagents to ensure that the products are authentic. Additionally, Iranian researchers commonly are not granted visas to other country‟s and are therefore unable to attend valuable conferences and have meaningful collaborations."

Excuses.

I did not ask for excuses. You are the one making excuses.

I know specifically there is no field that Iran is a leader in.

As you call it "Play alongside the best".

You don't play alongside the best in anything.

As i mentioned to you, now that they have more access than they've had for the last 2 decades. They'll grow. And once more sanctions are off in the 2020s , they'll grow even more. All of the achievements that I've mentioned here are done under sanctions.

Will.
Going to.
To be.
(Is Going) To.

Are all used by loads of incompetent politicians, bureaucrats, demagogues to fool the masses.

Come back when you actually
Have.
Already.
Accomplished.

Anything that is by far the best in the world in the field of science or technology.

Iranians here were bragging about being the fastest growing scientific power. When challenged, their bravado went out in a whimper.

You'll have to wait until there is more data. That article and study is from 2015. But the data they used is from 5 years ago, yes.

Which one are you talking about? I can't post links yet but surely you can?

You mentioned in sports, those are a couple of sports where Iran are considered the best.

In sports, nobody mentions Iran in any of those fields except heavyweight weightlifting and even then your work ethic is unremarkable.

Right. Not even going to justify that with an answer. Obviously your texts that you're writing is not really based on fact and more on resentment.

Your choice. Or might just have said, "I know you are right and there is no way out of the dead end that I have led myself into with my needless bravado about Iranian pioneering role in science and tech."

I've given you plenty of examples where they are alongside the best. And above the countries you've mentioned earlier. As i mentioned,give it time. Or maybe you can't understand the fact that without access = slow development. And Iran did more than well with the sanctions it has on it.
I'll say top 10 is more than good. And they'll improve even more, the more access they have to technology as well as being less isolated. Even under sanctions, they've ranked higher than countries like Japan this year in Nano-technology.

And I have shown you in each of those cases your claims are false.

Building the largest neurosurgery centre is an achievement in science? Seriously?

 

[Anaoshak]

1. Statnano is an Iranian maintained database.
2. Iran is not even close to the 6th rank in any meaningful way. You are currently ranked 6th in only the 'volume' quantity of papers published in nano article. FYI, India is also ranked 3rd in that category.

In quality, you are nowhere in sight. Some proxies used for quality are h-index for countries, h-index for institutions, citations per million people, citations per paper (this can be easily rigged by self citations).

Yes, they are supported by Iran Nanotechnology Initiative Council, and It's the best database at the moment.
I could quote Russian sources but then you'll say that's a Russian source and etc.

So what if India is 3rd? India is ranked pretty high in certain scientific fields. Or what, you don't like India either?

Give it time and we'll be in your sight.
The quote i gave from the 2006 paper that you quoted, applies to all these fields.
Once Iran will have more access, it'll grow even faster.
Also based on the report presented in the 7th meeting of Islamic ministers of educations in Morocco(2014), Iran was ranked first among the 57 Islamic countries in terms of science and research. But you'll probably say "that's no feat to be the top amongst muslims" or something.

Israel is not a leading country in any of those fields either. Where did you find the rankings that you speak of?

The venture capital one? There are a few , amongst other things The Word Economic Forum Global Competitiveness Yearbook 2013-2014.
The rest of the rankings have several sources. The chemical engineering one, i mostly based off the number of high ranks in schools around the world.

Excuses.

I did not ask for excuses. You are the one making excuses.

I know specifically there is no field that Iran is a leader in.

No excuses here.

Iranians here were bragging about being the fastest growing scientific power. When challenged, their bravado went out in a whimper.

Iran has had the fastest growing scientific power. If you chose to look at it with resentment and prejudge it, that's your issue. I haven't been saying that Iran is the best in science. But they are amongst some of the best. And they are growing faster than most countries in the world.

Which one are you talking about? I can't post links yet but surely you can?

I posted it a few posts back, the source were UNESCO 2015 report as well as United States NSF 2014.
But as i mentioned, the data they used is from 1995-2011.

In sports, nobody mentions Iran in any of those fields except heavyweight weightlifting and even then your work ethic is unremarkable.

If you haven't heard about Iran when it comes to wrestling as well as Taekwondo, then you must not really be into sports.

And I have shown you in each of those cases your claims are false.

Building the largest neurosurgery centre is an achievement in science? Seriously?

As i mentioned, it's not an achievement in science but the achievements will be made there.

And none of my claims are false.

The thing we were even discussing in the beginning before you started spinning this conversation is, "who has stood in the way of Iran developing". And obviously, a lot of countries. Even the sources you used yourself in this conversation has said it.

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

Yes, they are supported by Iran Nanotechnology Initiative Council, and It's the best database at the moment.
I could quote Russian sources but then you'll say that's a Russian source and etc.

So what if India is 3rd? India is ranked pretty high in certain scientific fields. Or what, you don't like India either?

They are not the best in anything except in your own imagination. Nobody in the world takes any Iranian ministers seriously or any Iranian government affiliated bodies seriously.

Yes, ask the Indians, they will admit too. India is not known for quality in science or tech.

Give it time and we'll be in your sight.

Again talking like Indians about "Will. Going To. Going To be. (Going) To Be. Inshallah. In future." Etc.

The quote i gave from the 2006 paper that you quoted, applies to all these fields.
Once Iran will have more access, it'll grow even faster.
Also based on the report presented in the 7th meeting of Islamic ministers of educations in Morocco(2014), Iran was ranked first among the 57 Islamic countries in terms of science and research. But you'll probably say "that's no feat to be the top amongst muslims" or something.

Correct.
You said it yourself.
Show us where you are the leader in the world in science not where you are the leader in science in Africa or Arabia, which is no significant feat.

The venture capital one? There are a few , amongst other things The Word Economic Forum Global Competitiveness Yearbook 2013-2014.
The rest of the rankings have several sources. The chemical engineering one, i mostly based off the number of high ranks in schools around the world.

Links.
What are you talking about unless you give links? I can't post links yet.

No excuses here.

Good you should not provide excuses although that's what you originally had done.

Iran has had the fastest growing scientific power. If you chose to look at it with resentment and prejudge it, that's your issue. I haven't been saying that Iran is the best in science. But they are amongst some of the best. And they are growing faster than most countries in the world.

No it has not had the fastest growing scientific 'power'.

What is the basis for that?

The latest year 2015 has elapsed. Go find data on it. Iran's growth is not the fastest by any means.

I will help you out since you are unable.

SCIMAGOJR

Iran published 39,727 articles TOTAL in 2015.
Iran published 43,389 articles TOTAL in 2014.

For a growth rate that is NEGATIVE. For a growth rate of -8.4399%.


Look up SCIMAGOJR.

As I have said, Iran's scientific growth has stalled. Do not live in bubbles created by your government.

A simple counterexample:

Russian Federation published 55,417 articles in 2014
Russian Federation published 57,881 articles in 2015.

For a growth rate that is POSITIVE. For a growth rate of 4.446%.

I posted it a few posts back, the source were UNESCO 2015 report as well as United States NSF 2014.
But as i mentioned, the data they used is from 1995-2011.

Look up SCIMAGOJR, and my points above. Your points are invalid.

If you haven't heard about Iran when it comes to wrestling as well as Taekwondo, then you must not really be into sports.

Sorry your typical Middle Eastern bravado won't work with me.

Let me know when Iran breaks into the top 10 of Olympics medals tally. Till then..

As i mentioned, it's not an achievement in science but the achievements will be made there.

Don't speak like you know about the future.

What is the guarantee your forecast will come true?

I could just as well say Monkeys will be more intelligent than humans by the next 20 years without any basis, and when asked for proof, just ask for time. Ridiculous.

And none of my claims are false.

All of them are. Including Iran's supposed fastest growing scientific publications rate as SCIMAGOJR attests to, as a simple example. Look at nature index, you are nowhere in sight.

Your OWN statnano does NOT show Iran amongst the leading countries in h-index, in citations per million people, articles per million people, h-index for institutions or any other proxies for quality.

The thing we were even discussing in the beginning before you started spinning this conversation is, "who has stood in the way of Iran developing". And obviously, a lot of countries. Even the sources you used yourself in this conversation has said it.

No.

It is not your right to collaborate with other countries.

Collaboration requires the mutual assent of two or more parties.

You can not say you have a right to collaborate with others just because you want to.

If others do not want to collaborate with you, that is their right, same as if you do not want to collaborate with others, that is your right.

Nobody stopped you from developing your military. Your propaganda military parades and government revelations occurred every month or every few months unveiling brand new top notch weapons.

What happened ? Who prevented you from outshining Israel and the US and being the top of the field? Nobody.

 

[Anaoshak]

They are not the best in anything except in your own imagination. Nobody in the world takes any Iranian ministers seriously or any Iranian government affiliated bodies seriously.

Yes, ask the Indians, they will admit too. India is not known for quality in science or tech.



Again talking like Indians about "Will. Going To. Going To be. (Going) To Be. Inshallah. In future." Etc.



Correct.
You said it yourself.
Show us where you are the leader in the world in science not where you are the leader in science in Africa or Arabia, which is no significant feat.



Links.
What are you talking about unless you give links? I can't post links yet.



Good you should not provide excuses although that's what you originally had done.



No it has not had the fastest growing scientific 'power'.

What is the basis for that?

The latest year 2015 has elapsed. Go find data on it. Iran's growth is not the fastest by any means.

I will help you out since you are unable.

SCIMAGOJR

Iran published 39,727 articles TOTAL in 2015.
Iran published 43,389 articles TOTAL in 2014.

For a growth rate that is NEGATIVE. For a growth rate of -8.4399%.


Look up SCIMAGOJR.

As I have said, Iran's scientific growth has stalled. Do not live in bubbles created by your government.

A simple counterexample:

Russian Federation published 55,417 articles in 2014
Russian Federation published 57,881 articles in 2015.

For a growth rate that is POSITIVE. For a growth rate of 4.446%.




Look up SCIMAGOJR, and my points above. Your points are invalid.




Sorry your typical Middle Eastern bravado won't work with me.

Let me know when Iran breaks into the top 10 of Olympics medals tally. Till then..




Don't speak like you know about the future.

What is the guarantee your forecast will come true?

I could just as well say Monkeys will be more intelligent than humans by the next 20 years without any basis, and when asked for proof, just ask for time. Ridiculous.



All of them are. Including Iran's supposed fastest growing scientific publications rate as SCIMAGOJR attests to, as a simple example. Look at nature index, you are nowhere in sight.

Your OWN statnano does NOT show Iran amongst the leading countries in h-index, in citations per million people, articles per million people, h-index for institutions or any other proxies for quality.





No.

It is not your right to collaborate with other countries.

Collaboration requires the mutual assent of two or more parties.

You can not say you have a right to collaborate with others just because you want to.

If others do not want to collaborate with you, that is their right, same as if you do not want to collaborate with others, that is your right.

Nobody stopped you from developing your military. Your propaganda military parades and government revelations occurred every month or every few months unveiling brand new top notch weapons.

What happened ? Who prevented you from outshining Israel and the US and being the top of the field? Nobody.

Twist and turn as much as you like. Anyone with half a brain knows that the sanctions and embargoes put on Iran will inhibit their development. And the more sanctions are lifted, the faster they will develop.

And regarding the links, you can just google the texts I've written and they'll pop up. U.S and China tops most of the rankings as i mentioned.

I also checked the SCIMAGOJR and even according to them, Iran is the fastest growing one between 1996-2015.
As i mentioned to you, during these past couple of years, because sanctions were even more strict than before. Budget cuts as well as other factors has for sure dropped Iran's ranking. But they'll get back up once they reap some off the benefits of the JCPOA. And when they'll have the other sanctions off in the 2020's, they'll develop even faster and further.
Several analysts have said that Iran will become the power house in the middle east eventually. And would have been one of the power houses in the world if there were no sanctions, or lets say if the 1979 revolution didn't happen.

You said that no one stopped Iran from developing. And the point is that a lot of countries did and still do. Nothing more to it, that's what was discussed here and what you're saying is not true in regards to that. A lot of countries don't want Iran to develop. Case in point their nuclear energy program.
And also Cooperation in different fields + access to technology + inclusion + trade and etc = Development.

And in regards to sports, more Olympic medals don't mean that you are the best in every sport there is.

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

Twist and turn as much as you like. Anyone with half a brain knows that the sanctions and embargoes put on Iran will inhibit their development. And the more sanctions are lifted, the faster they will develop.

And regarding the links, you can just google the texts I've written and they'll pop up. U.S and China tops most of the rankings as i mentioned.

I also checked the SCIMAGOJR and even according to them, Iran is the fastest growing one between 1996-2015.
As i mentioned to you, during these past couple of years, because sanctions were even more strict than before. Budget cuts as well as other factors has for sure dropped Iran's ranking. But they'll get back up once they reap some off the benefits of the JCPOA. And when they'll have the other sanctions off in the 2020's, they'll develop even faster and further.
Several analysts have said that Iran will become the power house in the middle east eventually. And would have been one of the power houses in the world if there were no sanctions, or lets say if the 1979 revolution didn't happen.

You said that no one stopped Iran from developing. And the point is that a lot of countries did and still do. Nothing more to it, that's what was discussed here and what you're saying is not true in regards to that. A lot of countries don't want Iran to develop. Case in point their nuclear energy program.
And also Cooperation in different fields + access to technology + inclusion + trade and etc = Development.

And in regards to sports, more Olympic medals don't mean that you are the best in every sport there is.

The one twisting and turning is YOU.

I have given ample facts.

All you have given are a lists of future projections, like X will happen in Y years, A is going to take place in B years.

All you have given are silly excuses.

Sorry, SCIMAGOJR busted your claims of Iran's fastest growth rates.

From 2014 to 2015, Iran experienced NEGATIVE growth rates, many countries including Russia experienced POSITIVE growth rates.

There is just nothing in which you are in the lead. That which counts.

Maybe except chanting "Death to America, Death to Israel, Ya Ali, Ya Abol Fazl", those probably count in your dictatorship.

 

[Anaoshak]

The one twisting and turning is YOU.

I have given ample facts.

All you have given are a lists of future projections, like X will happen in Y years, A is going to take place in B years.

All you have given are silly excuses.

Sorry, SCIMAGOJR busted your claims of Iran's fastest growth rates.

From 2014 to 2015, Iran experienced NEGATIVE growth rates, many countries including Russia experienced POSITIVE growth rates.

There is just nothing in which you are in the lead. That which counts.

Maybe except chanting "Death to America, Death to Israel, Ya Ali, Ya Abol Fazl", those probably count in your dictatorship.

If you're saying that sanctions and embargoes don't hinder a country's development, then you are delirious. Plain and simple.
"International collaborations, such as designing and running multinational scientific projects and participation in international congresses and workshops, can help scientific projects to progress. Therefore, isolation of a country because of sanctions might directly affect the growth rate of scientific publications of the country. The situation can be more detrimental when the sanctions target scientific publications."

According to SCIMAGOJR,
In 1996 the number of documents went up from 832 to 40000~ in 2015. Almost 50 times than what it was in 1996.
Faster than anyone else.
As i mentioned, budget cuts, sanctions and etc did lower Iran's ranking in the recent couple of years probably. But they will bounce back up again. I'll try and remember to @ you when they do.

Ok, obivously you're a troll.
You can troll all you want. But that doesn't change facts.

 

[Beny Karachun]

If you're saying that sanctions and embargoes don't hinder a country's development, then you are delirious. Plain and simple.
"International collaborations, such as designing and running multinational scientific projects and participation in international congresses and workshops, can help scientific projects to progress. Therefore, isolation of a country because of sanctions might directly affect the growth rate of scientific publications of the country. The situation can be more detrimental when the sanctions target scientific publications."

According to SCIMAGOJR,
In 1996 the number of documents went up from 832 to 40000~ in 2015. Almost 50 times than what it was in 1996.
Faster than anyone else.
As i mentioned, budget cuts, sanctions and etc did lower Iran's ranking in the recent couple of years probably. But they will bounce back up again. I'll try and remember to @ you when they do.

Ok, obivously you're a troll.
You can troll all you want. But that doesn't change facts.

the number of DOCUMENTS, does it mean the number of documents that exceed the west? or even the east?

Also- http://www.nanomagazine.co.uk/index...hings-with-nanotechnology&catid=38&Itemid=159

http://www.science.co.il/Engineering-Departments.asp

http://www.science.co.il/Biomedical-Companies.asp

Its easy to expand from TRASH, saying that it went 50 times than before doesn't mean its rising as fast as Israel, which is I remind you, 10 times smaller than Iran, Its not faster than no one, this site doesn't count anything, I've already seen some retards thinking that they have passed Israel is space by showing me this site, and lying again,All this shows is the NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS, doesn't matter if things were already documented or not, just write a document and you will receive a point in this site. you are the only troll, and by the way, Israel was the one that developed the nuclear formula by itself, but it bought the nuclear reactors from France, JUST as you do. You are lying, again, and again, and again, and again.

They sold him over $5 billion worth of weapons - thats in 1990 dollars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRI_Arms_Transfers_Database,_Iraq_1973–1990



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

BILLIONS! BILLIONSS!!!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

Only 150 reccoilless guns and ammunition, plus some spare parts. But billions? Stop kidding yourself.



Yeah, I made a mistake. But the vast majority of the Arabs' support came from those countries during the wars up until the 1970s.



Does it matter? They only had support from those countries. In the end, it was not enough to make up for their incompetency.



lol. 1967 war was only 6 days long. You didn't need any new arms.



Lies.

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Generated from SIPRI arms transfers. Here, I'll give you a link. All you have to do is select the supplier, recipient and date.

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php



Its not a guided bomb. Its an anti-ship ballistic missile.

Says you, huh?

The entire world disagrees.

https://warisboring.com/irans-new-v...s-prowling-over-syria-e8f27e2fc889#.wcomtbtlz

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion....ahed-129-drone-in-combat-operations-in-syria/

http://www.janes.com/article/57777/iranian-uav-shown-striking-targets-in-syria-and-iraq

http://observers.france24.com/en/20160601-iran-military-drones-combat-syria-iraq

https://theaviationist.com/2014/04/10/shahed-drone-over-syria/



The Mohajer 1 was introduced a full decade before the searcher.



Good.



No, based on observations of the huge size of these SAMs, they are certainly long ranged. And obviously its mobile, looking at the trucks specifically made to transport the system. And based on confirmed announcements of the PESA radars.



You don't know much about military technology do you?

Read the link below. Its a WESTERN website analysing non-western weapons. You should have a good look at that whole website.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Nebo-SVU-Analysis.html

Just in case, you were wondering, Iran has the Nebo radar mentioned above.



Still copies. If you didn't have the licensed copies, no Lavi.



Actually, in the nuclear deal, the conventional arms embargo doesn't end until 2021. Only economic sanctions have ended. Look it up.

Even if the embargo HAD ended in January, there is no way Iran could have replaced its entire air force in just 7 months.

That's right, they SOLD them. not just gave it for free, but SOLD THEM.

Yes, billions of bullets, just as we gave the Americans in the Iraq and Afghanistan war or just as we sell now to the French.

the Arabs still got weapons from the Russians, and a lot of them,talking about fleets of T62s and MiG 21s

Those countries gave MORE weapons than the Americans gave us, more and in some cases better.

We got those weapons by the end of the war, how is it "lies"?

Dude those are ballistic missiles that cannot reach Israel, the ones that can they have a CEP of 1000 meters or more.
We also have the LORA, the EXTRA, Lynx and more precision guided weapons with CEP of between 10-5 meters.

"https://warisboring.com/irans-new-v...s-prowling-over-syria-e8f27e2fc889#.wcomtbtlz
An unknown Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, *possibly* Iran’s Shahed-129 or a variant"

Anyways, this drone is crap and has a data link of only 200km.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Scout

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAI_RQ-2_Pioneer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadiran_Mastiff

There is no thing such as anti stealth, its some Russian propaganda, exactly like they claimed If America does something they will invade it, nothing more but BS.

"No, based on observations of the huge size of these SAMs, they are certainly long ranged. And obviously its mobile, looking at the trucks specifically made to transport the system. And based on confirmed announcements of the PESA radars."
You really think that huge SAMs mean long range? take the Patriot for example, they are bigger than the S400 missiles but have lower range. Its all about the engine, its efficiency, the Aerodynamics and warhead.
Our new Davids Sling already have a AESA Millimeter 3D Radar, the EL/M 2084.

Of course there would be the Lavi, why wouldn't it? If Israel couldn't buy engines it will make them.

And don't worry about the nuclear deal, we are about to break it a little

 

[Anaoshak]

the number of DOCUMENTS, does it mean the number of documents that exceed the west? or even the east?

Also- http://www.nanomagazine.co.uk/index...hings-with-nanotechnology&catid=38&Itemid=159

http://www.science.co.il/Engineering-Departments.asp

http://www.science.co.il/Biomedical-Companies.asp

Its easy to expand from TRASH, saying that it went 50 times than before doesn't mean its rising as fast as Israel, which is I remind you, 10 times smaller than Iran, Its not faster than no one, this site doesn't count anything, I've already seen some retards thinking that they have passed Israel is space by showing me this site, and lying again,All this shows is the NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS, doesn't matter if things were already documented or not, just write a document and you will receive a point in this site. you are the only troll, and by the way, Israel was the one that developed the nuclear formula by itself, but it bought the nuclear reactors from France, JUST as you do. You are lying, again, and again, and again, and again.

Lol, what are those links suppose to prove? That you do nano-technology? Never said that you didn't. I said that you don't top the list that you claimed. And you can keep replying to posts that aren't directed towards you if you feel left out.
But I've already proven what you wrote and said to be wrong and false.

You are the troll here, anyone who reads the posts can see that. You know damn well that they had more support than just reactors from France. And even the scientist you recruited were scientists from abroad as well as sent your people abroad to study what you needed to know. As i mentioned access = development.
And tell me where I've lied?
You're the one lying and coming up with bogus claims.
You are the one here saying that Israel tops the world in several scientific fits and when i point out that they don't and give you the rankings, you have a fit. As i said, Israel is not even near the top of the fields we discussed.


Grow up.