Whats behind Hezbullah's success ?

[Anaoshak]

Nobody prevented you from developing your military.

Do you think Russia, Nazi Germany, America or China had their military developments handed to them for free on an obstacles-free course?

They have what they have largely thanks to their own efforts.

You now say Turks and Arabs have top notch fighter jets, if so, why can't they delete Israel of only 6 million ? Your friend another time was saying it's not about population but number of fighter jets which Israel had 430 of, now you say, Turks and Arabs also have top notch fighter jets, so why couldn't they outgun Israel?

Simple answer. Israel is simply better than all of you combined in its military strength.

Good point about North Korea.

North Korea is starved to death, most isolated country, sanctioned, embargoed, still it launches submarine launched ballistic missiles, readying its thermonuclear warheads and intercontinental ballistic missiles but Iran in 2016 is unable or scared, you can decide which is the case, to prepare its thermonuclear warhead and intercontinental ballistic missiles. North Korea with only 24 million people, mostly starved, no huge oil and gas resources or agricultural or other basic resources cut off from the outside world, in a state of war with the South.

North Korea that outperformed all the Middle East in intellectual tests and brains, and North Korea that is more disciplined than all the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Southern Asia, Eastern Europe.

North Korea that with only 24 million people has more artillery, howitzer and rockets than 80 million Iran, Turkey or Egypt or any other Middle Eastern, African, Latin American or Eastern European country not counting Russia.

Sanctions or no sanctions, can you show any field where Iran has consistently outperformed the world or performed at par with the best in the business? Brains, science, tech, business, industry, or military developments, sport, infrastructure - anything that we can measure objectively?

Iran is what it is and without sanctions, at best, it would have been a glorified Brazil, maybe Spain but no better.

No, but they had access to technology. Most of China's military technology is based of the Soviet military technology. And the Soviets are based off the Germans to an extent. The exception is Nazi Germany in that list though, i'll give you that one.

I don't really care about the Turkey-Arab and Israel discussion. But one of the reasons being is that the U.S would step in, if they start a war.

I haven't said that Israel isn't more developed. It is because it has access to technology.

Iran never wanted a Nuclear weapon to begin with. And North Korea was founded September 9, 1948 and had access to technology from China. Compared to current Iran which was founded 1979 and got sanctions put on them immediately . Give it another 29 years and we'll see where Iran will be.

As i mentioned, when the shah was still in power. They were thought to become one of the strongest and most developed countries in the world.

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

the only ones with internet access are the top ranks.
I find it funny how you said "not always"
I know that they not all starve to death, but as you can see they are clearly not well fed and if the West would stop giving them food they will probably starve to death.

No, the UN only aids them occasionally in desperate times and that food aid only helps a small percentage. North Korea is desperately isolated and relatively poor yet it is trying to open up. Try watching some of these videos and posts you will get some ideas

OK I tried posting links but the system does not allow me until I reach more posts and membership duration.

Search for "DPRK360" on search engine

"Eating in North Korea" by "Aram Pan" in video streaming site youtube.

Check his playlist you will learn many things west media never tells you

 

[Beny Karachun]

Oh, so you are telling me that Israel developed their own military with no help at all from any other country? They didn't learn certain things and had access to schematics from the U.S and other countries? If you do, then you're delusional. Your military developed because you had access to technology. Plain and simple.

You wanna tell me you've done it too? Israel clearly developed its own weapons and proved them much more capable than the Arab or Iranian ones that they developed based on Russian or American equipment.

Says the guy that claims they make their own planes but use american engines. (Pratt & Whitney engine)

So what? do you think the engines your jets are using are your own?
The only thing about this aircraft that was not Israeli was the engine, all of the rest was Israeli.

Lol, you just answered what i mentioned earlier. You have access to technology.
And yeah, turkey is in the Middle East and part of it is in Europe. But you didn't even read my quote. It says Arab-states.

North Korea doesn't have any access to technology yet its still way more developed than the Iranian army, it was sanctioned much harder without any real source of income with much smaller economy than yours yet still managed to make military more advanced and powerful than yours.

The difference is sanctions amongst other things.
The Germans were ruled by one leader and most of today's weaponry are based on their designs, Schematics and ideas. Missiles, Fighter Jets, etc.

I wanna know, since when does Russia sanction you? or China? you are not blocked from any type of technology.

So you're saying Democracy = Development? That's idiotic.
It would have been the most developed country in the middle east due to the fact that for one thing, it's the fastest growing scientific country in the world and they would have had more access to technology and knowledge if there were no sanctions. They can't study certain things because of those sanctions. People are busted all the time for trying to smuggle technology to Iran. And etc.
In fact, during the time of the Shah, the access they had back then to the world market, technology and etc. It was estimated that they would become one of the strongest countries in the world, let alone the middle east. And that wasn't a democracy either.

Fastest growing scientific country??? ahahaha just as you claimed that the F313 is real, or that you launched a Monkey into space, then never hearing of him again

 

[KungFuCultMaster]

No, but they had access to technology. Most of China's military technology is based of the Soviet military technology. And the Soviets are based off the Germans to an extent. The exception is Nazi Germany in that list though, i'll give you that one.

I don't really care about the Turkey-Arab and Israel discussion. But one of the reasons being is that the U.S would step in, if they start a war.

I haven't said that Israel isn't more developed. It is because it has access to technology.

Iran never wanted a Nuclear weapon to begin with. And North Korea was founded September 9, 1948 and had access to technology from China. Compared to current Iran which was founded 1979 and got sanctions put on them immediately . Give it another 29 years and we'll see where Iran will be.

As i mentioned, when the shah was still in power. They were thought to become one of the strongest and most developed countries in the world.

Funny you say this but almost all of Iran's technology is not just stolen but poor imitation and rip offs of foreign 1970s Soviet, American or even Chinese tech.

Except Sejjil missile probably no design is entirely Iranian and even your Sejjil uses engine that derives from Soviet Scuds or is it ?

You say North Korea had time? What use is it when its energy has been sapped from 60 years of hostility isolation and deprivation?

You have one of the world's largest oil gas mineral agricultural resources, so what is stopping you from going further?

Look, all East Asian tigers developed in 30 years. No more time is required if you have ability.

Chinese Communist Party is utterly incompetent that's why in 38 years it could not achieve 1/10 of other Asian Tigers. And Iran is even worse, same for other Middle Eastern Latin American African Southern Asian Eastern European ASEAN countries.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Sejjil uses engine that derives from Soviet Scuds or is it ?

All I need to say is the Sejjil is solid fueled and the Scud is liquid fueled.

 

[Anaoshak]

Can you show me one proof or evidence that Iran is the fastest growing scientific power in the world? In 2016? Or in 2015 at latest?

Don't bring 5 years old article.

From what I have seen, Iran's scientific growth has stagnated or plateaued.

"Our scientists publish about 30,000 international scientific papers annually, a growth of at least 20-fold since 1979"

I found about 20 different articles regarding this,
This is from a 2016 article,
http://www.universityworldnews.com/images/photos/photo_4270.JPG
You see the source is fairly recent, the analytical data is old though. That's the only data there is. I'll see if i can download the 2016 UNESCO Science report and see what the change is.

You can check the number of papers here as well, http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php . It's lower in 2015 than it was in 2014. But still amongst the highest and to be honest, i wouldn't be surprised if Iran's growth rate dropped around the time when the sanctions were the worst and they made cuts to cope with it, wait for 2016-2017 and it'll go back up again to the previous level.

You wanna tell me you've done it too? Israel clearly developed its own weapons and proved them much more capable than the Arab or Iranian ones that they developed based on Russian or American equipment.

I never said Iran doesn't base their weapons off others, they do. And so does Israel. As i said access to technology = military development.

So what? do you think the engines your jets are using are your own?
The only thing about this aircraft that was not Israeli was the engine, all of the rest was Israeli.

So? The most difficult part is the Engine. Iran can make their own avionics, they have difficulty with making an engine. That's their problem.

North Korea doesn't have any access to technology yet its still way more developed than the Iranian army, it was sanctioned much harder without any real source of income with much smaller economy than yours yet still managed to make military more advanced and powerful than yours.

Sure. "Last month Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said, “The sanctions applied against Iran are the most severe sanctions in world history.”"

I wanna know, since when does Russia sanction you? or China? you are not blocked from any type of technology.

Both China and Russia were told not to sell missiles and aircrafts to Iran. This is just one of the UN resolutions "United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747 – passed on 24 March 2007. Imposed an arms embargo and expanded the freeze on Iranian assets"

Fastest growing scientific country??? ahahaha just as you claimed that the F313 is real, or that you launched a Monkey into space, then never hearing of him again

Monkey was sent to space, there is a video of the whole mission. F313, doubtful it was real. Just a publicity stunt from Ahmadinejad. I think HESA Shafaq is real thought.

Funny you say this but almost all of Iran's technology is not just stolen but poor imitation and rip offs of foreign 1970s Soviet, American or even Chinese tech.

Except Sejjil missile probably no design is entirely Iranian and even your Sejjil uses engine that derives from Soviet Scuds or is it ?

You say North Korea had time? What use is it when its energy has been sapped from 60 years of hostility isolation and deprivation?

You have one of the world's largest oil gas mineral agricultural resources, so what is stopping you from going further?

Look, all East Asian tigers developed in 30 years. No more time is required if you have ability.

Chinese Communist Party is utterly incompetent that's why in 38 years it could not achieve 1/10 of other Asian Tigers. And Iran is even worse, same for other Middle Eastern Latin American African Southern Asian Eastern European ASEAN countries.

Most of Iran's technology are reverse engineered, yes. They do what they can with what they have access to, old technology for the most part.

But yes , there are some 100% Iranian made technology.

See , you're mentioning Isolation and deprivation. Iran is going through that as well, as i mentioned, it had some of the harshest sanctions in history. Sanctions are everything, they hinder development.

The communist party was isolated for a while, but they still had access to technology through the Soviets. When did they all develop rapidly? When the west started engaging with them again and stopped isolating them.

These are the sanctions Iran have right now,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran
Anyone would be hindered by that. Iran has had an embargo on them since 1979.

Give it time friend, you'll see where Iran will be 20-30 years from now. I'm sure they will abide by the nuclear deal and then also get more of those sanctions off them. But now, they can start buying and getting more technology than they could before. So hopefully they will do that. Another problem is that Iran doesn't spend much on it's military budget. But we'll see.

 

[AmirPatriot]

were always at war

The longest war Israel ever had was 10 months. Since then they've mostly been low intensity conflicts with some Arab failures until the 70s.

more enemies than you ever had

in the war we had both superpowers, China, all of Europe, all of the middle east except Syria and Lebanon helping Saddam. Israel never had more than the USSR and China supply the Arabs, and that only for a short time. Most of your history you have had European and American help.

was embargo'd by the French, the Arabs pressed on the British

They don't fvcking matter, you can have Micronesia embargo you for all I care. Murica supplied you the whole time.

You don't have any accurate missiles

and every ballistic missile is hypersonic

But not every ballistic missile flies at Mach 13 like the Sejjil.

combat proven UCAV and UAV? Since when? your drones never saw any action

Syria

Iran-Iraq war. First use of UCAV ever.

crappy S300s

If it is so crappy, why did the west try to stop us from getting the older S-300PMU1 for almost a decade? Now we have the PMU2.

you think this is world class?

Not just me.

"As one senior U.S. Marine Corps aviator told me earlier in the year, the S-300 series is a deadly threat to everything except the most advanced stealth fighters and bombers. “A complete game changer for all fourth-gen aircraft [like the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18]. That thing is a beast and you don’t want to get near it,” he said."

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-bolsters-irans-air-defense-lethal-s-300-14536

Anyway, I think you misunderstood my comment. The S-300 is for sure world class, but Iran is also close to deploying its own system this year. Its called the Bavar 373, and my inferences of its capability are here. I suggest you hold your criticism for when the system is fully and publicly unveiled in a few months. Then you might actually be able to use facts, instead of slander and speculation.

But from what we know, this is a very long range system, fully mobile, incorporating PESA and possibly AESA radars, and part of an Integrated Air Defence Network with 3000 km OTH radars, VHF anti-stealth fire control radars, and and numerous other PESA radars all over the country.

the Lavi for example

The engine is the most difficult part in aircraft production, just ask China. The rest is well within the capabilities of many countries.

still use F14s and F4s

No shit. Unlike Israel, Iran is under an international embargo. Buying a few hundred American fighters is no achievement, you know. The Arabs do it too. Except Israel does it with American money.

 

[Anaoshak]

Sanctions or no sanctions, can you show any field where Iran has consistently outperformed the world or performed at par with the best in the business? Brains, science, tech, business, industry, or military developments, sport, infrastructure - anything that we can measure objectively?

I'll keep it to science for now if that's alright. And I'll keep it to Iranians living in Iran and not abroad.

Neurology, http://ifpnews.com/iran-photos/2016...research-centre-under-construction-in-tehran/
Of course, biggest don't mean = best

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/15/iran-at-forefront-of-stem-cell-research/
stem cell research

Nuclear research
http://sputniknews.com/science/20160727/1043675978/iran-iter-nuclear-fusion-project.html

Nano technology,
"Iran ranked 23rd in the world in Nanotechnology in 2007,By 2012, Iran ranked 8th in nanotechnologies.

" Iran holds mono-digit ranking in science fields, such as Chemical Engineering, Mechanic, Nano-Tech, and Bio-Tech."

Actually, i could mention tae kwon do, wrestling and weightlifting too where they rank as some of the best in the world, since its the olympics

And just because i saw the pics of a drone, washingtoninstitute, "In the late 1980s, Iran deployed a drone armed with six RPG-7 rounds in the Iran–Iraq War. This was the first time an armed drone was used in war."

These are just a few examples.
As i said, give it time. And when Iran has free access to technology and isn't isolated. It will learn, grow and build.

I personally like the way the Chinese handle Geopolitics as well as development. And would want Iran to adopt a similar strategy.

 

[Beny Karachun]

The longest war Israel ever had was 10 months. Since then they've mostly been low intensity conflicts with some Arab failures until the 70s.

The only war you've known was Iran Iraq war when you had double the military casualties than Iraq in the past 200 years

and China, helping Sadam? Damn man you must be stupid!
Also, Israel helped you, we gave you billions of bullets and recoil less cannons against tanks.All that China has ever done was sell weapons to the Iraqis.
Also, "Never more"?
The amount of aid they gave to the Arabs was MUCH larger than the amount of aid America gave to us.

They don't fvcking matter, you can have Micronesia embargo you for all I care. Murica supplied you the whole time.

Really kid? America supplied us in 1967? Didn't think so, did America supply us anytime before the end of the war of 1973? Nope, while the Russians fully supplied the Arabs

And really? I was talking about BALLISTIC missiles, not guided bombs, dumbf*ck, which all of them have the CEP of 1 kilometer or more.

But not every ballistic missile flies at Mach 13 like the Sejjil.

Not every ballistic missile from the early cold war could, now even North Korea has those kinds of missiles
I can bet our Jericho 1 can fly faster than this, not talking about the later models

Syria

Sorry, but wrong.
There are no Iranian drones or forces at all in Syria, only a few generals and recruits.

And ahahaha this Mohajer drone is much worse than our oldest drone, the Searcher
And our current drones are much better than yours.

If it is so crappy, why did the west try to stop us from getting the older S-300PMU1 for almost a decade? Now we have the PMU2.

We still don't like the idea of Iran purchasing a modern SAM.

Not just me.

"As one senior U.S. Marine Corps aviator told me earlier in the year, the S-300 series is a deadly threat to everything except the most advanced stealth fighters and bombers. “A complete game changer for all fourth-gen aircraft [like the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18]. That thing is a beast and you don’t want to get near it,” he said."

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-bolsters-irans-air-defense-lethal-s-300-14536

Anyway, I think you misunderstood my comment. The S-300 is for sure world class, but Iran is also close to deploying its own system this year. Its called the Bavar 373, and my inferences of its capability are here. I suggest you hold your criticism for when the system is fully and publicly unveiled in a few months. Then you might actually be able to use facts, instead of slander and speculation.

But from what we know, this is a very long range system, fully mobile, incorporating PESA and possibly AESA radars, and part of an Integrated Air Defence Network with 3000 km OTH radars, VHF anti-stealth fire control radars, and and numerous other PESA radars all over the country.

Why didn't you mention this : "
he said.

Only the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, F-35 and Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit stealth bomber would be able to operate inside areas protected by those weapons. "?

Sorry, but its YOUR inferences of its capabilities, based on nothing.
Not even Wikipedia has any information about it.
There is no such thing as "Anti stealth", and this is according to your own source.
Iranians can brag all they want and RT can say what they want about their radar capabilities.
I wont believe it for a second.

The engine is the most difficult part in aircraft production, just ask China. The rest is well within the capabilities of many countries.

the Israelis were making the engines, manufacturing them here, we have licensed copies, China always copied other aircraft, just like Iran, but it was more successful than it.

No shit. Unlike Israel, Iran is under an international embargo. Buying a few hundred American fighters is no achievement, you know. The Arabs do it too. Except Israel does it with American money.

Iran isn't under any embargo anymore, and you know it. We upgraded them, and that's an achievement.
the Arabs did it too but didn't manage to upgrade them
Israel bought every jet it had, Most of the aid money went to munitions and projects.

I'll keep it to science for now if that's alright. And I'll keep it to Iranians living in Iran and not abroad.

Neurology, http://ifpnews.com/iran-photos/2016...research-centre-under-construction-in-tehran/
Of course, biggest don't mean = best

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/15/iran-at-forefront-of-stem-cell-research/
stem cell research

Nuclear research
http://sputniknews.com/science/20160727/1043675978/iran-iter-nuclear-fusion-project.html

Nano technology,
"Iran ranked 23rd in the world in Nanotechnology in 2007,By 2012, Iran ranked 8th in nanotechnologies.

" Iran holds mono-digit ranking in science fields, such as Chemical Engineering, Mechanic, Nano-Tech, and Bio-Tech."

Actually, i could mention tae kwon do, wrestling and weightlifting too where they rank as some of the best in the world, since its the olympics

And just because i saw the pics of a drone, washingtoninstitute, "In the late 1980s, Iran deployed a drone armed with six RPG-7 rounds in the Iran–Iraq War. This was the first time an armed drone was used in war."

These are just a few examples.
As i said, give it time. And when Iran has free access to technology and isn't isolated. It will learn, grow and build.

I personally like the way the Chinese handle Geopolitics as well as development. And would want Iran to adopt a similar strategy.

Exactly- largest doesn't mean the best.

Stem cell research? You came to the party a little bit too late, don't you think?
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/stem-cell-research-is-blooming-in-israel.premium-1.515396

Nuclear research? We're already a power

Nano technology according to who?

Did Iran invent something in the Nano technology, chemical engineering, bio-tech or science fields, or it just started recently? because Israel is the leading party in all of those fields

Also: you might wanna compare this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Iranian_inventions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_inventions

We won medals while you didn't even win one yet
Judo, swimming and a few more sports

 

[AmirPatriot]

and China, helping Sadam? Damn man you must be stupid!

They sold him over $5 billion worth of weapons - thats in 1990 dollars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRI_Arms_Transfers_Database,_Iraq_1973–1990

we gave you billions of bullets

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

BILLIONS! BILLIONSS!!!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

Only 150 reccoilless guns and ammunition, plus some spare parts. But billions? Stop kidding yourself.

Never more

Yeah, I made a mistake. But the vast majority of the Arabs' support came from those countries during the wars up until the 1970s.

The amount of aid they gave to the Arabs was MUCH larger than the amount of aid America gave to us.

Does it matter? They only had support from those countries. In the end, it was not enough to make up for their incompetency.

1967

lol. 1967 war was only 6 days long. You didn't need any new arms.

Didn't think so, did America supply us anytime before the end of the war of 1973? Nope

Lies.

Generated from SIPRI arms transfers. Here, I'll give you a link. All you have to do is select the supplier, recipient and date.

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

not guided bombs

Its not a guided bomb. Its an anti-ship ballistic missile.

There are no Iranian drones or forces at all in Syria

Says you, huh?

The entire world disagrees.

https://warisboring.com/irans-new-v...s-prowling-over-syria-e8f27e2fc889#.wcomtbtlz

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion....ahed-129-drone-in-combat-operations-in-syria/

http://www.janes.com/article/57777/iranian-uav-shown-striking-targets-in-syria-and-iraq

http://observers.france24.com/en/20160601-iran-military-drones-combat-syria-iraq

https://theaviationist.com/2014/04/10/shahed-drone-over-syria/

ahahaha this Mohajer drone is much worse than our oldest drone, the Searcher

The Mohajer 1 was introduced a full decade before the searcher.

We still don't like the idea of Iran purchasing a modern SAM.

Good.

YOUR inferences of its capabilities, based on nothing

No, based on observations of the huge size of these SAMs, they are certainly long ranged. And obviously its mobile, looking at the trucks specifically made to transport the system. And based on confirmed announcements of the PESA radars.

There is no such thing as "Anti stealth"

You don't know much about military technology do you?

Read the link below. Its a WESTERN website analysing non-western weapons. You should have a good look at that whole website.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Nebo-SVU-Analysis.html

Just in case, you were wondering, Iran has the Nebo radar mentioned above.

licensed copies

Still copies. If you didn't have the licensed copies, no Lavi.

Iran isn't under any embargo anymore, and you know it.

Actually, in the nuclear deal, the conventional arms embargo doesn't end until 2021. Only economic sanctions have ended. Look it up.

Even if the embargo HAD ended in January, there is no way Iran could have replaced its entire air force in just 7 months.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Keep barking and going desperately off-topic due to my initial factual post that hurt your feelings. That is all I have to say. The ground realities are what they are and besides I could not care less what an Iranian has to say about Arab affairs. As relevant to me as the opinions of a Papuan.

The content of that video is altered/fake and that Egyptian anchor is well-known for his nonsense. The attack on the mosque in Najran was not an attack on a Shia mosque but an mosque attended by the Saudi Arabian army.

Islam and all its sects, including sufism, originates in modern-day KSA and all those sects are followed by indigenous populations in all the historical regions and modern-day provinces of KSA so they are all a central part of us all regardless of the state fiqh being Sunni Islam (Hanbali) due to a ruling dynasty of Najdi origin and a Najdi-dominated clergy.

I am a Sunni Muslim who follows the Shafi'i fiqh. As do millions of Saudi Arabians, in particular in Hijaz. I know that for every Iranian everyone that is a Sunni, especially an Sunni Arab, is the nonsense that you accuse of.

As for clerics and Mullah's spreading nonsense occasionally, Iran has nothing to envy us or many other majority-Muslim nations, on this front.

You said altered but I can post tens of videos to these clerics calling shiite apostates day and night this is the whole literature preach that I told you yesterday they obsessed with us they have no business just us!!!!.

You know what I swear you lucky that's us your enemy I just wish you make the Israelis or the Christine as your enemy then they will make you hate your life well we all have seen what the Buddhists did to your brothers in Myanmar they burn them alive yet none of you sunni states could do any to them.

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

You said altered but I can post tens of videos to these clerics calling shiite apostates day and night this is the whole literature preach that I told you yesterday they obsessed with us they have no business just us!!!!.

You know what I swear you lucky that's us your enemy I just wish you make the Israelis or the Christine as your enemy then they will make you hate your life well we all have seen what the Buddhists did to your brothers in Myanmar they burn them alive yet none of you sunni states could do any to them.

I can do the exact same thing with your clerics. However 90% of all Muslims are Sunni Muslims. You are the tiny minority that most Muslims do not accept as rightful. It is not the other way around. We are not obsessed with you. On the other hand you are obsessed with us. Look at how your people are treated in Iran and how they are treated in the GCC and everything that you need to know is answered.

Anyway did you know that your ancestors (Southern Iraqis), which are almost all from modern-day KSA originally or very recently (3-4 generations at most), converted to Shia Islam less than 200 years ago? Before your ancestors were Sunni! The clan/tribe that you belong to. Read about its history. I know all the names of Arab tribes in Southern Iraq and their history. Almost every tribe was Sunni originally. Many still are or have Sunni branches.

Israel is already our enemy (the enemy of Palestinians who are 90% Sunni Muslim) and we have no enmity with Chinese. The Muslims in China are all Sunnis and Arab-Chinese relations have been excellent throughout history and that is also the case today. In fact Arabs and Han Chinese are the biggest ethnic groups in the world. We are bound to cooperate together.

I don't know anything about Myanmar but I am sure that Muslims there have defended themselves. BTW, we host 1 million Rohingya Muslims in KSA.

My avatar (Sargon of Akkad) and his people (Akkadians) also emigrated from Arabia into modern-day Iraq.

Actually the original Shias (Zaydis) are more or less exactly like us. It is the Wilayat al-Faqih nonsense that is a problem. Shia Arabs are our brothers and sisters on every front and I would defend them against every foreigner, Sunni as Shia.

There will come a day when our brainwashed Wilayat al-Faqih followers across that artificial border will realize the truth and our warnings. I give it no more than 10 years before this happens. Al-Sadr and many of our Arab brothers in Southern Iraq have realized this. Many more will follow suit as well.

Blood is thicker than water. Always will be. No amount of propaganda or temporary regimes will ever change that. There will come a beautiful day when we both will march against our enemies once again. As throughout 95% of all history. To honor our ancestors, our traditions, land and religion.

Wilayat al-Faqih is doomed to parish and so will its legacy.

 

[Malik Alashter]

I can do the exact same thing with your clerics. However 90% of all Muslims are Sunni Muslims. You are the tiny minority that most Muslims do not accept as rightful. It is not the other way around. We are not obsessed with you. On the other hand you are obsessed with us.

Anyway did you know that your ancestors (Southern Iraqis), which are almost all from modern-day KSA originally or very recently (3-4 generations at most), converted to Shia Islam less than 200 years ago? Before your ancestors were Sunni! The clan/tribe that you belong to. Read about its history. I know all the names of Arab tribes in Southern Iraq and their history. Almost every tribe was Sunni originally. Many still are or have Sunni branches.

Israel is already our enemy (the enemy of Palestinians who are 90% Sunni Muslim) and we have no enmity with Chinese. The Muslims in China are all Sunnis and Arab-Chinese relations have been excellent throughout history and that is also the case today. In fact Arabs and Han Chinese are the biggest ethnic groups in the world. We are bound to cooperate together.

I don't know anything about Myanmar but I am sure that Muslims there have defended themselves. BTW, we host 1 million Rohingya Muslims in KSA.

My avatar (Sargon of Akkad) and his people (Akkadians) also emigrated from Arabia into modern-day Iraq.

Ahhha that's why you use this avatar man trust me this guy has nothing to do with you I have the3 right to do so since I'm an Iraqi but you are not.
second you been 90% or even 99% Allah said those who follow the right way are little look وَمَا أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ وَلَوْ حَرَصْتَ بِمُؤْمِنِينَ {يوسف:103}
znd see the translation
وإذا كنت إنما تسأل عن مفهومها حقا، فقبل الجواب عن ذلك، يجدر أولا أن ننبهك إلى أن المفهوم -كما عرفه أهل الأصول- هو المدلول الالتزامي للكلام. ويقابله المنطوق وهو المدلول المطابقي للكلام.

فإذا تقرر ذلك عُرف أن منطوق الآية الكريمة هو أن أكثر الناس لا يؤمنون، ولو حرص النبي -صلى الله عليه وسلم- على ذلك أشد الحرص.

ومفهومها أن الذي يؤمن من الناس هو الأقل.

والله أعلم.

So don't bother with your argument lastly this is the last time I reply to you since the argument is forbidden to Muslims

Have a glance to this guy and see what he is all about.

https://twitter.com/DrAliAlrabieei

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

Ahhha that's why you use this avatar man trust me this guy has nothing to do with you I have the3 right to do so since I'm an Iraqi but you are not.
second you been 90% or even 99% Allah said those who follow the right way are little look وَمَا أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ وَلَوْ حَرَصْتَ بِمُؤْمِنِينَ {يوسف:103}
znd see the translation
وإذا كنت إنما تسأل عن مفهومها حقا، فقبل الجواب عن ذلك، يجدر أولا أن ننبهك إلى أن المفهوم -كما عرفه أهل الأصول- هو المدلول الالتزامي للكلام. ويقابله المنطوق وهو المدلول المطابقي للكلام.

فإذا تقرر ذلك عُرف أن منطوق الآية الكريمة هو أن أكثر الناس لا يؤمنون، ولو حرص النبي -صلى الله عليه وسلم- على ذلك أشد الحرص.

ومفهومها أن الذي يؤمن من الناس هو الأقل.

والله أعلم.

So don't bother with your argument lastly this is the last time I reply to you since the argument is forbidden to Muslims

Have a glance to this guy and see what he is all about.

https://twitter.com/DrAliAlrabieei

You should educate yourself. The current borders are all artificial and we are all Arabs and Semites. I have Iraqi Arab ancestry as well. Besides Akkadians migrated from Arabia into Mesopotamia approximately 4500 years ago as did other Semites as Semites originate in Arabia. Sumerians too migrated from Eastern Arabia and Sumerians considered Eastern Arabia (Dilmun) to be the Garden of Eden as written in the Epic of Gilgamesh. Our people created civilization.

Look at my avatar. He looks like an Arabian. The nose, head shape, beard etc. Everything. The Marsh Arabs of Iraq are 100% ethnically related to Saudi Arabians next door and they are supposed to be the most closely related people to Sumerians!

http://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-11-288

Besides as I told, almost every Iraqi Shia Arab is originally from KSA or even an ancestor of recent migrants from Arabia. Same tribes and clans. Same DNA (confirmed long ago) etc. There is nothing to discuss really. I know the history of Southern Iraq better than you.

Watch the videos I posted. Iraqi Shia Arabs themselves have created them.

Wilayat al-Faqih is doomed to fail as are the Mullah's of Iran. I can assure you of this and I am sure that I will convince you very soon.

Blood is thicker than water. As a former migrant to KSA you should know this. An discussion with me in real person and I will convince you in matter of minutes. Trust me. Next time I am in the US we should met. You are horribly misguided and have been brainwashed by Farsi propaganda and distortions. It is very sad.

I told you to contact me in private but you are yet to do so. Not sure what you are waiting for/afraid of. Are you afraid of hearing the truth? Look past leaders and clerics. Do you think we care about them? Only a minority of us do whether in Iraq or KSA. Wake up. Your future is very dark if you continue your current politics. I will not embarrass you here but we both know what is happening in Iraq on a daily basis politically wise and how so much wealth is used for nothing and how ordinary people struggle. Basra could be another Dubai and look where it is!

Continue your current policies as they are very successful as we all can see indeed. GCC investments could potentially turn Iraq into a GCC country in a few years but you have too many sellouts in your parliament who are busy engaging in corruption and selling their honor and people to foreigners. Good luck but I have faith in the Iraqi people and can see what is going on in Iraq and on forums. This will not continue for much longer.

Before you say anything, I have changed the views of your likes many times before and I will continue to do my work. Censorship will not succeed. My offer is standing to every brother and sister, always.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Whats behind Hezbullah's success ? Most of the armies in the middle east has nothing short of been a total failure from Egypt , to Iraq(which is improving now) to Syrian to other armies out there. Just want to know what makes Hezbullah different from these sad lot. Do they get special military training from somewhere else ? or is it simply their circumstances which they were formed in ?

@Irfan Baloch @Oscar @waz @notorious_eagle @Solomon2

Discipline, Meritocracy, Professionalism, Training, Motivation and Strong Friends.

This is what sets Hezbollah apart from other Rag Tag Armies in the Middle East and other Militas. Hezbollah itself is an Institution, which other Arab Armies are not. While Nepotism, Clan, Loyalty are more important than Merit in other Arab Armies, Hezbollah employs strict Meritocracy. Hezbollah Officers and Soldiers are well trained, drilled and De Centralized like any other Professional Army where the Officer on the Ground can make decisions in the heat of the battle unlike Arab Armies where it is highly Centralized and an approval is required from multiple layers.

While Hezbollah Officers on the field have the Power to make decisions on the Ground, Arab Armies largely have to follow Orders from their Superiors black and white who are not even on the Ground. This allows Hezbollah Officers to think outside the box, come up with innovative solutions. An ideal example would be Rebel ATGM's which have proved to be a major headache for the SAA Armour. SAA Armour despite getting decimated many times, continued to be poured out on the field once again exposing itself to an ATGM shot. Hezbollah came up with a genius solution. They launched fast movers on bikes to attack these ATGM hell holes before the SAA Armour moves up. Simple, but a deadly solution. In contrast, there is a video a couple of years ago where massed SAA Armour continued to advance despite getting hit right, left and centre because those were the orders. And keep in mind this is Hezbollah's B Army fighting in Syria, the A Army is still deployed against Israel.

At the end of the day, a well trained, lead, disciplined, motivated Army will defeat its opponent 99.9 out of 100 times if the latter lacks all of these. Despite being poor, India and Pakistan field extremely Professional Armies. Why is that? Meritocracy. A son of a Jawan can rise up to be the COAS in Pakistan or Indian Army, but can the same be said about Egyptian, Syrian, Saudi or Iraqi Army? I don't think so. Hezbollah is full of examples of simple soldiers rising to the top positions of Hezbollah's Fighting Arm only because of merit. Hezbollah indeed is very impressive, and like any other Professional Army they learn from their mistakes. I can't say the same about Arab Armies especially the SAA which continues to make the same mistakes over and over again.