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Police around the world, reaction to someone reporting "I saw a terrorist"

Pakistan: Register a FIR and we'll get back to you at some point in the next 100 years

Saudi Arabia: Where is the atheist?

India: Was he eating beef?

UK: Did you try talking to him and politely asking him to stop?

USA: *mistakenly hears "I am a terrorist"*... "FREEZE!!! POLICE!!! *BANG BANG BANG" MURICA **** YEAH!!!"
 
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@Nilgiri @Psychic @The Sandman

Were Biological Weapons Used Against Germans at Stalingrad?

Of humanity's many noteworthy achievements and inventions, few are as evil and as horrifying as biological warfare: deliberate, government-ordered mass killing of people with lethal diseases. During the Second World War, the Japanese army maintained a secret biological warfare testing program, as did the United States during the 1950s and 1960s. In 1969 President Nixon renounced the use of such weapons, and the US dismantled its extensive biological warfare operation, thereafter restricting research to defensive measures such as immunization.

But as a remarkable new book lays out in grim detail, no regime made greater "progress" in biological warfare than did the Soviet Union. From a unique insider's perspective, a former high-level scientist in the Soviet biological warfare program tells the story in Biohazard: The Chilling Story of the Largest Covert Biological Weapons Program in the World (Random House, 1999). Ken Alibek (born Kanatjan Alibekov) joined the Soviet "Biopreparat" program in 1975, and was its first deputy chief from 1988 to 1992, when he defected to the United States.

During the terrible Russian civil war of 1917-1921, in which the fledgling Soviet regime defeated the dispersed and divided anti-Communist "White" forces, as many as ten million people lost their lives. Most of these deaths came not in combat, but instead were caused by famine and disease -- especially typhus.

Conscious of this, the revolutionary Soviet government early on put a high priority on diseases as a method of warfare. In 1928 it issued a secret decree ordering the development of typhus as a battlefield weapon. In the decades that followed, the USSR built and maintained a wide-ranging biological warfare program. For example, Alibek relates, Soviet scientists developed a sophisticated plague warfare capability, and an arsenal in Kirov (now Vyatka) stored 20 tons of plague aerosol weaponry (p. 166).

Wartime Use Against Germans

While he was a graduate student at the Tomsk Medical Institute (1973-75), Alibek studied Soviet wartime medical records that strongly suggested that the Red Army had used tularemia as a weapon against German troops outside Stalingrad in 1942 (pages 29-31). Tularemia is a highly infectious disease that produces debilitating headaches, nausea and high fevers. If untreated, it can be lethal. It is also hard to extinguish, which makes it attractive to anyone trying to produce biological weapons.

Alibek discovered that the "first victims of tularemia were German panzer troops, who fell ill in such large numbers during the late summer of 1942 that the Nazi campaign in southern Russia ground to a temporary halt." In addition, he relates, thousands of Russian soldiers and civilians living in the Volga region came down with the disease within a week of the initial German outbreak. Never before had there been such a widespread outbreak of the disease in Russia.

Why had so many men first fallen sick with tularemia on the German side only? Furthermore, 70 percent of the Germans infected came down with a pneumonic form of the disease, which (Alibek reports) "could only have been caused by purposeful dissemination."

Whereas there were ten thousand cases of tularemia reported in the Soviet Union in 1941, in the year 1942 -- when the battle of Stalingrad was at its height -- the number of cases soared to more than one hundred thousand. Then, in 1943, the incidence of the disease returned to ten thousand. The battle for Stalingrad raged from September 1942 until February 2, 1943, when Friedrich von Paulus, commander of the German Sixth Army, surrendered along with 91,000 officers and men (of whom only 6,000 survived Soviet captivity).

Alibek became convinced that "Soviet troops must have sprayed tularemia at the Germans. A sudden change in the direction of the wind, or contaminated rodents passing through the lines, had infected our soldiers and the disease had then spread through the region."

To his professor, a Soviet colonel named Aksyonenko, he explained that the evidence he had found "suggests that this epidemic was caused intentionally." Aksyonenko responded with a stern warning: "Please. I want you to do me a favor and forget you ever said what you just said. I will forget it, too ... Never mention to anyone else what you just told me."

Some years later, an elderly Soviet lieutenant colonel who had worked during the war in the secret bacteriological weapons facility in Kirov told Alibek that a tularemia weapon had been developed there in 1941. He also left him "with no doubt that the weapon had been used." This same officer further suggested that an "outbreak of Q fever among German troops on leave in Crimea in 1943 was the result of another one of the [Soviet] biological warfare agents" (p. 36).
 
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not really he is a player. Such players do not stop unless God has set their bad time to start. I am saying this cause once i visited him for some work related stuff, he was on phone begging before a girl "Mujhay maaf kar do Allah kay leeay maaf kardo , i apologize for all my earlier and current mistakes , may God forgive me for all my current and past sins, may he also forgive all your sins, please forgive me , may Allah give me and you hidayat .. I thought must be his wife or something like that , maybe she caught him redhanded. Also he was a very secular guy and would often mock islam so it was weird to see him mentioning Allah so frequently. Then he hung up, i was concerned what happened then he said he was flirting with this woman and they ended up having fight over something and at that moment he had no other woman available (except his wife) to flirt with so he started apologizing like that before her to still hold on to her.

I am sure if he ever gets caught by his wife he will do same drama of a mard e momin who is always concerned about his sins and is seeking others forgiveness all the time and will somehow manage to fool her.
Bus phir aisay logo ka kuch nae ho skta. jis din biwi chud k jaye gi, akal ajayegi
 
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Hindu (Karma) way of life or any way of life .............. there has to a be solid starting point for it ........... and anything that starts with believing that nothing made all this huge humongous universe is illogical (in my view)........

After reading your post the first thing that came to my mind was, "this guy is definitely not a science student or he would not have said something so infantile t". :lol:

The thing that you perceive as nothing is merely your perception. That is what the ancient UPANISHAD text teaches us and this is the proof >>>

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and the concept of karma is not limited to Hinduism only, it is there in every religion,
its universally accepted principle that any action is bound to have an outcome.
Every new religion which is born takes its inspiration from the older ones that existed. According to what can be proved Origin of Buddhism(534BCE),Islam (7th century), Christianity(2000yrs) are recent.
Discovery of Pashupatinath (Shiv) stamp from Harappa, a 5000 year old civilisation, which you too will agree, proves sanatana dharma/Hinduism existed since long.
I hope you got the drift of it.

Mind you I'm not claiming the superiority of any religion here but stating some facts, for I believe being humble and respectful makes me more receptive. Ancient Hindu artists weren't supposed to sign on their work or leave anything which claimed it to be theirs. Just an example!!!

In context of our human life we have the freedom of choosing our course of action but the outcome is immutable, we can change modify our action but not the outcome ..........
What???
You mean modifying actions would not change the outcome???
What is the logic behind that statement? :lol:
No it is not any kind of science that's not true , you lack knowledge have you ever read any hindu sacred book ?
Upanishad, Geeta,Mahabharata,Ramayana and the quest for knowledge continues...

If you have not read any of it's book you don't believe its mythology then you are not hindu.
Ramayana was considered mythological till they found evidences of floating pumice stone bridge linking Sri Lanka and India.
Mahabharata was considered mythological till they stumbled upon kurushetra.

If you go by cultural definition people in Indus vally are hindu by that definition.
Correction: SANATANA DHARMA.
Santana dharma means the religion of all, that's what we Hindus call our religion. Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders.

Creator maintainer destroyer and karma Reincarnation avatar are all its part , they don't work alone.
They have nothing common with science and cannot be proven by science.

Creator-Brahma.
The word universe is called brahma-and (part of Brahma, which is egg shaped).
The sky maps are elliptical going by the Mollweide projection.

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Each word that you read in Sanatana Dharma's text has a deeper meaning understood by only those who can comprehend the world better.
When it became increasingly difficult for normal ppl to understand the sacred texts,then ppl like Shankaracharya came along and simplified our texts into strotras.

To give you another simple of the science behind Sanatana dharma let me read out a shloka to you. Unlike other religions our shlokas are not about our gods but the universe. For example
"Om Puurnnam-Adah,Puurnnam-Idam, Puurnnaat-Purnnam-Udacyate, Puurnnasya Puurnnam-Aadaaya Puurnnam-Eva-Avashissyate ".

I know you don't understand Sanskrit. When loosely translated it means everything begins from nothing and to nothing everything leads. If I take you deeper into it, it reveals the universe began from nothing and that's what it will return to. Expansion and contraction of universe!!!
@I.R.A another example to the nothingness that I was talking about.

Sorry gentlemen I had to quote you here for I dint want to derail the discussion on the other thread. You too must not attempt the same.


Ciao
 
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After reading your post the first thing that came to my mind was, "this guy is definitely not a science student or he would not have said something so infantile post". :lol:

The thing that you perceive as nothing is merely your perception. That is what the ancient UPANISHAD text teaches us and this is the proof >>>

img_1188-jpg.412980

Mohtarma .......... you missed my point all together and shifted the focus elsewhere. An Atheist most probably believes that there is no Creator, all this came into existence just by itself, and nothing created this something and everything.


Every new religion which is born takes its inspiration from the older ones that existed. According to what can be proved Origin of Buddhism(534BCE),Islam (7th century), Christianity(2000yrs) are recent.
Discovery of Pashupatinath (Shiv) stamp from Harappa, a 5000 year old civilisation, which you too will agree, proves sanatana dharma/Hinduism existed since long.
I hope you got the drift of it.

Mind you I'm not claiming the superiority of any religion here but stating some facts, for I believe being humble and respectful makes me more receptive. Ancient Hindu artists weren't supposed to sign on their work or leave anything which claimed it to be theirs. Just an example!!!

Did I deny existence of Hinduism ......as regards to the belief part of this system ....... I am still confused by its followers' confusion. When a system keeps modifying itself with the times I don't think it deserves the label of being an ancient system, different Sutra written by different people in different times are proof of drastic changes made to the original system. And that change argument is what its followers have been propagating on this forum every then and now. So with so many changes I find it difficult to accept that such a system remains pure as original.

And on the other hand any belief system that claims that it is for everyone to come since the time of its inception is all together a different matter. Now the only chance you have is to prove that the claim made by this belief system is false. You can try doing that .........


What???
You mean modifying actions would not change the outcome???
What is the logic behind that statement? :lol:

Sigh!!!!!!

How hard is it to understand that ........... you have the freedom to chose an action including the modifications ....... but the outcome for that particular action is immutable .......... now what is so hard to understand here.... are you suggesting that if a person jumps from thirteenth floor of a building ......... and performs some acrobatics on his way down ........... he won't hit the ground as any other falling person who doesn't perform the acrobatics?
 
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An Atheist most probably believes that there is no Creator, all this came into existence just by itself, and nothing created this something and everything.
There are atheists Hindus too.
Anyone with a scientific temper and who leads a "satwik" life is a Hindu.


When a system keeps modifying itself with the times I don't think it deserves the label of being an ancient system, different Sutra written by different people in different times are proof of drastic changes made to the original system.

They say change is permanent.
It is imperative that every religion reforms itself with the changing times while keeping the essence of the religion intact.
Or the religion will loose its significance in human life.
This I see as the reason why a few feel the need to assert that their religion be strictly followed wherever they live in the world.
Hinduism, in comparison,is very flexible and gives a certain liberty to its followers.
you have the freedom to chose an action including the modifications ....... but the outcome for that particular action is immutable .......... now what is so hard to understand here

Do H2 + O2 and H2 + S + 4O give the same products???
Nope, one of the above reaction gives water and the other gives sulphuric acid. Change in action effects the outcome.
You can use an example to prove your point.

Btw you have not answered my question yet. Are you a science student???
 
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Do H2 + O2 and H2 + S + 4O give the same products???
Nope, one of the above reaction gives water and the other gives sulphuric acid. Change in action effects the outcome.
You can use an example to prove your point.

Btw you have not answered my question yet. Are you a science student???


Okay lady scientist .......... first prove to me that H2, O2, S and O4 are living breathing creatures who are capable of making choices on their own. And don't forget to mention where I can locate their breathing measurements on periodic table.

I am talking about humans and their freedom of choices ..... not the nature and its processes.

And as regards to the ever changing religion .......... no science, scientist will ever be able to prove that million plus gods and goddesses live inside a cow ......... so my suggestion better write a new sutra to bring that cow honor down and let humans breath and consume food of their choice. I don't know why the hell this ever accommodating and ever changing religion is so strict in drinking cow's urine.
 
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Okay lady scientist
:lol:
I earned your ire it seems.

first prove to me that H2, O2, S and O4 are living breathing creatures who are capable of making choices on their own


Just so you know sulfur, phosphorous, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, and hydrogen (or SPONCH ) are the building blocks of life.


no science, scientist will ever be able to prove that million plus gods and goddesses live inside a cow

Lol
I feel sorry for those who fail to understand that god resides in them....and every being on earth.


my suggestion better write a new sutra to bring that cow honor down and let humans breath and consume food of their choice.
Hahaha
Good attempt at diverting the topic.
But then wat was I expecting here???
It almost felt like I killed a mosquito on my cheek. :hitwall:
 
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@Nilgiri @Psychic @The Sandman

Were Biological Weapons Used Against Germans at Stalingrad?

Of humanity's many noteworthy achievements and inventions, few are as evil and as horrifying as biological warfare: deliberate, government-ordered mass killing of people with lethal diseases. During the Second World War, the Japanese army maintained a secret biological warfare testing program, as did the United States during the 1950s and 1960s. In 1969 President Nixon renounced the use of such weapons, and the US dismantled its extensive biological warfare operation, thereafter restricting research to defensive measures such as immunization.

But as a remarkable new book lays out in grim detail, no regime made greater "progress" in biological warfare than did the Soviet Union. From a unique insider's perspective, a former high-level scientist in the Soviet biological warfare program tells the story in Biohazard: The Chilling Story of the Largest Covert Biological Weapons Program in the World (Random House, 1999). Ken Alibek (born Kanatjan Alibekov) joined the Soviet "Biopreparat" program in 1975, and was its first deputy chief from 1988 to 1992, when he defected to the United States.

During the terrible Russian civil war of 1917-1921, in which the fledgling Soviet regime defeated the dispersed and divided anti-Communist "White" forces, as many as ten million people lost their lives. Most of these deaths came not in combat, but instead were caused by famine and disease -- especially typhus.

Conscious of this, the revolutionary Soviet government early on put a high priority on diseases as a method of warfare. In 1928 it issued a secret decree ordering the development of typhus as a battlefield weapon. In the decades that followed, the USSR built and maintained a wide-ranging biological warfare program. For example, Alibek relates, Soviet scientists developed a sophisticated plague warfare capability, and an arsenal in Kirov (now Vyatka) stored 20 tons of plague aerosol weaponry (p. 166).

Wartime Use Against Germans

While he was a graduate student at the Tomsk Medical Institute (1973-75), Alibek studied Soviet wartime medical records that strongly suggested that the Red Army had used tularemia as a weapon against German troops outside Stalingrad in 1942 (pages 29-31). Tularemia is a highly infectious disease that produces debilitating headaches, nausea and high fevers. If untreated, it can be lethal. It is also hard to extinguish, which makes it attractive to anyone trying to produce biological weapons.

Alibek discovered that the "first victims of tularemia were German panzer troops, who fell ill in such large numbers during the late summer of 1942 that the Nazi campaign in southern Russia ground to a temporary halt." In addition, he relates, thousands of Russian soldiers and civilians living in the Volga region came down with the disease within a week of the initial German outbreak. Never before had there been such a widespread outbreak of the disease in Russia.

Why had so many men first fallen sick with tularemia on the German side only? Furthermore, 70 percent of the Germans infected came down with a pneumonic form of the disease, which (Alibek reports) "could only have been caused by purposeful dissemination."

Whereas there were ten thousand cases of tularemia reported in the Soviet Union in 1941, in the year 1942 -- when the battle of Stalingrad was at its height -- the number of cases soared to more than one hundred thousand. Then, in 1943, the incidence of the disease returned to ten thousand. The battle for Stalingrad raged from September 1942 until February 2, 1943, when Friedrich von Paulus, commander of the German Sixth Army, surrendered along with 91,000 officers and men (of whom only 6,000 survived Soviet captivity).

Alibek became convinced that "Soviet troops must have sprayed tularemia at the Germans. A sudden change in the direction of the wind, or contaminated rodents passing through the lines, had infected our soldiers and the disease had then spread through the region."

To his professor, a Soviet colonel named Aksyonenko, he explained that the evidence he had found "suggests that this epidemic was caused intentionally." Aksyonenko responded with a stern warning: "Please. I want you to do me a favor and forget you ever said what you just said. I will forget it, too ... Never mention to anyone else what you just told me."

Some years later, an elderly Soviet lieutenant colonel who had worked during the war in the secret bacteriological weapons facility in Kirov told Alibek that a tularemia weapon had been developed there in 1941. He also left him "with no doubt that the weapon had been used." This same officer further suggested that an "outbreak of Q fever among German troops on leave in Crimea in 1943 was the result of another one of the [Soviet] biological warfare agents" (p. 36).
With the time the real face of "Victors" is getting revealed such an evil and tyrant regime this was man first they shot their own civilians and soldiers for retreating or surrendering than they raped millions of women's from 6-60 and now this? thank god world got rid of this evil!
 
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@Vergennes @Penguin In Paris today with a team working on a history project. Lost direction and ended driving through part of Paris that looked more Third World then 3rd World. Shocking level of poverty and slums galore. Can't come to terms that Paris has this face to it. Worse than the worse part of any inner city UK. How the hell has France allowed this to happen?

I see big, big problems for France in the future. This issue is not Muslim so much as Third World migrants.
 
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@Vergennes @Penguin In Paris today with a team working on a history project. Lost direction and ended driving through part of Paris that looked more Third World then 3rd World. Shocking level of poverty and slums galore. Can't come to terms that Paris has this face to it. Worse than the worse part of any inner city UK. How the hell has France allowed this to happen?

I see big, big problems for France in the future. This issue is not Muslim so much as Third World migrants.

Which area was it ?
 
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@Vergennes @Penguin In Paris today with a team working on a history project. Lost direction and ended driving through part of Paris that looked more Third World then 3rd World. Shocking level of poverty and slums galore. Can't come to terms that Paris has this face to it. Worse than the worse part of any inner city UK. How the hell has France allowed this to happen?

I see big, big problems for France in the future. This issue is not Muslim so much as Third World migrants.
Just google 'Paris' and 'immigrants' and select images I suppose....

Paris Is the New Calais, With Scores of Migrants Arriving Daily
By ADAM NOSSITERNOV. 3, 2016

As many as 100 migrants are arriving a day, according to aid groups. Most have vague hopes of reaching Britain or getting asylum in France.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/world/europe/paris-migrants-refugees.html?mcubz=2
https://www.thelocal.fr/20170519/protest-over-no-go-zone-for-women-in-paris-immigrant-district
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Paris
 
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Which area was it ?
I am sending this via my PC in UK through my family there. At Hotel Ibis Paris Porte Montmarte. I don't know the areas of Paris we drove through but for sure since I was here the last time I can see the visible effects of the mass migrant problem. I can in all honesty see why people complain and why the far right are gaining. I say this being a son of a migrant myself (1960s) but this has been a eye opener for me. From what I can see this is not a 'Islam' problem but just a mass Third World problem that has been 'imported' en masse and the results are not pretty. I am glad UK is leaving EC and hope the borders are tightened up - real tight. Or else the future is grim. This is not a question of racism, religion or any other 'ism' but simple reality. It's like a boat that take too many people - at some point it will tip and take everythind down with it. You have to in all honesty say 'no' and I think France from what I can see hsas reached that limit. We will be moving to Belgium, Germany, South of France, Spain, Italy back to France through Swiss Alps. I will post of videos when I get a chance.

For sure my views on mass immigration have changed.
 
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