What would India do if Soviet Union was at its gates?

[somebozo]

Indian often poking nose on Pakistan joining the anti-soviet war in Afghanistan..lets turn the table and see how India would react under such situation..The scenario assume asymmetric disparity between Red army and those of Indian republic in both - conventional and non-conventional weapons, machinery and war fighting abilities...

 

[dadeechi]

Indian often poking nose on Pakistan joining the anti-soviet war in Afghanistan..lets turn the table and see how India would react under such situation..The scenario assume asymmetric disparity between Red army and those of Indian republic in both - conventional and non-conventional weapons, machinery and war fighting abilities...

India would not have joined pacts like SEATO & CENTO to start with,hence supporting or opposing USSR would not have arisen.

 

[somebozo]

India would not have joined pacts like SEATO & CENTO to start with,hence supporting or opposing USSR would not have arisen.

that doesn't matter because by Zia time..Pakistan was not a member of Cento and Seato..beside India accecpted US aid against Communist soviet union in arms and materials both!

 

[dadeechi]

that doesn't matter because by Zia time..Pakistan was not a member of Cento and Seato..beside India accecpted US aid against Communist soviet union in arms and materials both!

India had received/accepted aid from US and bought fighters from USSR simultaneously. India always maintained relationship with both the powers. It was never either or.

 

[That Guy]

The poll is completely loaded.
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On topic: Apparently this was actually a scenario that India was thinking about at the time. If the Soviets moved into Pakistan militarily, the Indians were planning on supporting insurgents to fight off the soviets, and give the surviving Pakistan government officials, political support.

This wasn't because of any love for Pakistan, in deed the plan was to move in military themselves, once the Soviets were forced out, and annex most of Pakistan territory. After partial annexation, the plan was to leave a Pakistani puppet state loyal to India, simply because India did not want to have direct borders with Afghanistan.

So, this was in Indian military planning. Relations with Russia may have been good, but when it comes to geopolitics, there are only aligning interests. The truth is that neither the Russians nor the Indians trusted each other fully.

 

[somebozo]

India had received/accepted aid from US and bought fighters from USSR simultaneously. India always maintained relationship with both the powers. It was never either or.

In that perspective Pakistan also received aid and arms from both..how did Mig's ended up in Pakistani air-force?

The poll is completely loaded.

What do u mean by loaded?

 

[That Guy]

What do u mean by loaded?

The options you gave only show a one sided approach. Indeed there are more realistic scenarios to your question.
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On topic: Apparently this was actually a scenario that India was thinking about at the time. If the Soviets moved into Pakistan militarily, the Indians were planning on supporting insurgents to fight off the soviets, and give the surviving Pakistan government officials, political support.

This wasn't because of any love for Pakistan, in deed the plan was to move in military themselves, once the Soviets were forced out, and annex most of Pakistan territory. After partial annexation, the plan was to leave a Pakistani puppet state loyal to India, simply because India did not want to have direct borders with Afghanistan.

So, this was in Indian military planning. Relations with Russia may have been good, but when it comes to geopolitics, there are only aligning interests. The truth is that neither the Russians nor the Indians trusted each other fully.

 

[dadeechi]

In that perspective Pakistan also received aid and arms from both..how did Mig's ended up in Pakistani air-force?

So you mean to say that Pakistan never opposed USSR?

 

[Hellfire]

The poll is completely loaded.
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On topic: Apparently this was actually a scenario that India was thinking about at the time. If the Soviets moved into Pakistan militarily, the Indians were planning on supporting insurgents to fight off the soviets, and give the surviving Pakistan government officials, political support.

This wasn't because of any love for Pakistan, in deed the plan was to move in military themselves, once the Soviets were forced out, and annex most of Pakistan territory. After partial annexation, the plan was to leave a Pakistani puppet state loyal to India, simply because India did not want to have direct borders with Afghanistan.

So, this was in Indian military planning. Relations with Russia may have been good, but when it comes to geopolitics, there are only aligning interests. The truth is that neither the Russians nor the Indians trusted each other fully.

An amendment. If you recall, at one time there was indeed a thought under consideration by Soviets of a full scale invasion of Pakistan. Had that occurred we would have moved in to create a buffer against them.

We don't want to annex Pakistan or any territory from it. Had that been the case, Bangladesh would have been annexed.

The poll options are incomplete. India would have remained neutral and not allowed Soviets a free run either, as you have rightly pointed out

 

[DesiGuy1403]

An obvious trolling thread, especially looking at the options given..

Theoretically, if Russia want's to attack India, it has only one option. Get it's navy all the way around the world to land in India.
Devoid of obvious bases, logistically, it would be a near impossibility for Russia alone to do any realistic damage to India, unless it has allies that can provide it support to land it's troops and equipment.

India on other hand will be able to do nothing against Russia in Russia...

Point is moot.

Looking at the logistical nightmare it would pose, I don't see anything coming out of this conflict.

 

[That Guy]

An amendment. If you recall, at one time there was indeed a thought under consideration by Soviets of a full scale invasion of Pakistan. Had that occurred we would have moved in to create a buffer against them.

We don't want to annex Pakistan or any territory from it. Had that been the case, Bangladesh would have been annexed.

The poll options are incomplete. India would have remained neutral and not allowed Soviets a free run either, as you have rightly pointed out

From what I recall, the only reason why India didn't actually annex BD was because Nixon threatened India. Nixon was known to hate India with a passion, in particular Indira Gandhi, whom he accused of blatantly lying to him.

My point, an annexed Pakistan wouldn't be too much out of the ordinary.

 

[neem456]

Just becoz russian were planning on invasion of pakistan, does not mean they were planning the same for india.
We were already good allies by that time.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

India was thought to have a back up plan in case Soviets invaded Pakistan. But at the same time India-Russia were covered by friendship treaty of 1971, which doesnt really need the Soviets to invade India as we were already allies. Soviets trusted India, and we did them. A scenario like this doesnt arise.

If Soviets indeed planned to invade Pakistan, there is nothing Pakistan could have done in front of Soviet might. But at this juncture US might have entered war directly with Soviets, which the 2 powers wanted to avoid. Remember US threatened to bomb India for BD war.

There is no question for Soviets to invade India as we were good allies, and never in opposition to them, nor gave our bases to Soviets or USA. We maintain a military neutrality to this day.

 

[illusion8]

India was thought to have a back up plan in case Soviets invaded Pakistan. But at the same time India-Russia were covered by friendship treaty of 1971, which doesnt really need the Soviets to invade India as we were already allies. Soviets trusted India, and we did them. A scenario like this doesnt arise.

If Soviets indeed planned to invade Pakistan, there is nothing Pakistan could have done in front of Soviet might. But at this juncture US might have entered war directly with Soviets, which the 2 powers wanted to avoid. Remember US threatened to bomb India for BD war.

There is no question for Soviets to invade India as we were good allies, and never in opposition to them, nor gave our bases to Soviets or USA. We maintain a military neutrality to this day.

That's a reality that people seem to ignore the Russians and the Americans fight it out in a third country and not directly. Some proscribe it as both being in a position to wipe each other out as the reason they do not go into direct conflict. But both are war economies and keeping conflict zones hot which keeps their weapon industry churning out weapons and allies pumping billions into their coffers to ally or to gain protection from them. Small countries are also dependent on one side or the other for weapons and ammo.

Ideal situation for both, open up newer fronts and then bomb one side of the conflict without threatening each others motherland.

Sometimes I wonder if they work in collaboration.

 

[Samrat420]

You chose sides.. We didn't. Those who chose sides in the conflict of two giants, get trampled. But Pakistan never had this little nugget of wisdom. You're doing the same mistake again. Choosing a clear side in the upcoming US-China cold war.

If we talk about the Afghan invasion in particular, then did you know that India actually opposed and protested direct military intervention by Soviets ? That was because India was afraid of getting dragged in a conflict which would've jeopardized our Nonalignment.