what will be pakistan's answer to rafale

[Baybars Han]

J-10 c .Good in paper and specs .But when it comes to real time experience Rafale is a mammoth .That fighter already saw actions in Libya and against IS in Iraq and Syria .
Then again.It has western avionics .So except J 31 or J 20 ,there is no rival for Rafale in Asia for now .
EFT of course can be good.But you have to convince 4 nations and a good load of money .




Chinese banned the exports of their J 20 .But I think J 31 options is in there.

An f-4 could of even be a mammoth in Libya and against isis. Both have no air defence and Libya was swarmed with fighters from many countries.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Pakistan has the best weapon "Faith"

Pakistan has some faults, corruption and self deception are a few of them.

 

[Baybars Han]

there was a time west looted our wealth after our ancestry lost the war . but now same land same people just deference name india and Pakistan are competing each other to give wealth to west for some toy, s while half of population are very poor and they don't care about those toy, s . india and Pakistan ridiculously threatening each other like crazy dogs , and west pouring fuel in to it so they can pocket more money from this poor nation in name of giving some toy.s . just wake up people .

This is true 100%. But everywhere in the middle east, in Asia some people are either too stupid or too power hungry to realise this. Imagine if there was peace and super trade between Pakistan India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka etc, free trade, free travel like Europe. Imagine how much richer they would be.

Just imagine the same thing if North Korea and South Korea joined. They will become super powerful very fast. Would the USA want this? NO.

imagine China and Japan same thing. Would the USA want this? No. Do they fuel these problems. Yes.

Imagine middle east if we could have a union like Europe. We would all be very rich. Very very very rich especially with those natural resources. What they fight for? You are Sünni I am Shia. Lol

Just stupid stupid people.

 

[batmannow]

PAF put SAMS as back up, fighter jet will face IAF first and there are techniques / doctrine to do that. Ever heard of "Merge"???

Sure , lolzz
I want to know , what kind of SAMS been deployed by PAF & ADF ?
Do you know anything , or you spent your time just talking to your bell boy, in your so called weapons procurement deprt of the GOP ?
& btw whole world , all of the forces uses the same "merge " defence strategy ?
Is thats news to you ?lolzz

Check the map you will understand why India will deploy 4th Gen jets there in hostilities with Pakistan.

If you think there MOBs beyond 200 km are safe then you are wrong, and historically PAF never hesitate to strike enemy air bases even if they had to bear cost of it, since 90s PAF is acquiring standoff munitions and mastering new techniques to use them and how to handle BVR missiles.


Even today M-3 (ROSE) are potent in hands of PAF pilots specially when it comes to low level interdiction missions, because PAF is ready to bear cost which allow them to take out important position/targets.

Oh sure , same as Japanese doing hara kari in world war 2 ?lolzz
Our pilots would be doing the same ?
While , a IAF su* 30 mki targeting our mirages from at least 100kms ?
I mean from where are you getting all this hysterical imagination ?lolzz

 

[$@rJen]

36 Rafales is not a big thing.
India has a damn big AirForce with 600 plus combat aircraft alone.
So I don't think 36 more planes are gonna make any Difference.
PAF now can't gain air superiority anywhere in India.
PAF doesn't stand a chance now.
Procuring 30-50 planes ain't gonna make a difference either.


Best is to fall back on Nuclear Deterrence.
AND spend more money on EDUCATION.

indeed 36 is small... but it'll grow till 50+

and the main issue is not the number but the fighter.... you know rafale's RCS is damn small.. its one of a top best fighter for SEAD ops.. which is going to turn the situation upside down for PAF.

 

[Hamza913]

indeed 36 is small... but it'll grow till 50+

and the main issue is not the number but the fighter.... you know rafale's RCS is damn small.. its one of a top best fighter for SEAD ops.. which is going to turn the situation upside down for PAF.

The Rafale deal France is giving India is too expensive and is taking forever to happen. I doubt India will even want to get more Rafales by the time they get those 36, because India will realize just what a mistake they made and will probably just go back to buying advanced Russian planes.

 

[$@rJen]

The Rafale deal France is giving India is too expensive and is taking forever to happen. I doubt India will even want to get more Rafales by the time they get those 36, because India will realize just what a mistake they made and will probably just go back to buying advanced Russian planes.

No we're only paying same like Egypt and qatar infact we're trying to reduce the cost before signing the deal. India has officially stated additional jets would be bought. there're also news of India finlly getting 126+ jets.. Ours and neighboring Airforces are not going to fully have 5th Gen fighters.. that's atleast 3-4 decades away. And we're only going to add around 60+ 5th gen fighters.

FYI Rafale is much superior than the 4.5th gen Russian jets. again we're only buying 60+ 5th gen and would increase the order of Rafale, and Rafale would also be bought by IN for IAC-2

 

[Hamza913]

No we're only paying same like Egypt and qatar infact we're trying to reduce the cost before signing the deal. India has officially stated additional jets would be bought. there're also news of India finlly getting 126+ jets.. Ours and neighboring Airforces are not going to fully have 5th Gen fighters.. that's atleast 3-4 decades away. And we're only going to add around 60+ 5th gen fighters.

FYI Rafale is much superior than the 4.5th gen Russian jets. again we're only buying 60+ 5th gen and would increase the order of Rafale, and Rafale would also be bought by IN for IAC-2

India will not get 120 Rafales anytime soon, please spare me that nonsense. If India is luckly they will get the current deal, even then I have my doubts. This deal will just pour India's money down the toilet, France is making sure they can squeeze each and every penny out of India's pocket. The deal is simply not worth it, by the time India gets a substantial number of Rafales its neighbours will already have caught up.

And by the way, China will have their 5th gen aircraft in service by 2020. I have no doubt soon after that Pakistan will also buy them. So no, India's neighbours are not a few decades away from getting 5th gen aircraft.

You describe the Rafale as being much better than the Russian 4th gen aircraft, and that's true. But the fact is, Russia seems to be the only ones willing to sell advanced aircraft to India. Everyone else is either trying to cheat India or is simply saying no. Russian Sukhois are the best India is going to get for a while.

 

[The Eagle]

Let the Rafale come to India once then there will be an answer indeed however, for the rest of inventory, we are rightly aligned and doing well so sooner or later the gap will be filled as well. Till then, stick to the plan by growing JFT further and try to add more 16s because addition of potent AC isn't bad at all.

 

[Basel]

Hi,

That was when they had superior aircraft.

My man---the purpose of my posts is not for you to die fighting for the glory of the nation----it is to make the enemy perish.

I don't want to be harsh on you----your posts are absolutely thoughtless and have given no merit to the strength of the enemy---.

I m not glorifying anything, its just you who is extremely underestimating Pakistan's capabilities. Please don't be a pessimist be positive.

Sure , lolzz
I want to know , what kind of SAMS been deployed by PAF & ADF ?
Do you know anything , or you spent your time just talking to your bell boy, in your so called weapons procurement deprt of the GOP ?
& btw whole world , all of the forces uses the same "merge " defence strategy ?
Is thats news to you ?lolzz


Oh sure , same as Japanese doing hara kari in world war 2 ?lolzz
Our pilots would be doing the same ?
While , a IAF su* 30 mki targeting our mirages from at least 100kms ?
I mean from where are you getting all this hysterical imagination ?lolzz

HQ-16A, SPADA-2000 (MR-SAMS), FM-90B (SR-SAM), Sky guard system etc.

Also in past there were rumours that Pakistan had HQ-2B high altitude SAMS which later proved to be true, now rumours are that HQ-9 variant (LR-SAM) is already inducted but not disclosed like HQ-2Bs were not disclosed for years.

Sure , lolzz
I want to know , what kind of SAMS been deployed by PAF & ADF ?
Do you know anything , or you spent your time just talking to your bell boy, in your so called weapons procurement deprt of the GOP ?
& btw whole world , all of the forces uses the same "merge " defence strategy ?
Is thats news to you ?lolzz


Oh sure , same as Japanese doing hara kari in world war 2 ?lolzz
Our pilots would be doing the same ?
While , a IAF su* 30 mki targeting our mirages from at least 100kms ?
I mean from where are you getting all this hysterical imagination ?lolzz

Its not as simple as you say.

 

[_NOBODY_]

No we're only paying same like Egypt and qatar infact we're trying to reduce the cost before signing the deal. India has officially stated additional jets would be bought. there're also news of India finlly getting 126+ jets.. Ours and neighboring Airforces are not going to fully have 5th Gen fighters.. that's atleast 3-4 decades away. And we're only going to add around 60+ 5th gen fighters.

FYI Rafale is much superior than the 4.5th gen Russian jets. again we're only buying 60+ 5th gen and would increase the order of Rafale, and Rafale would also be bought by IN for IAC-2

According to specs Su-35 is the best 4++ generation and the only 4++ generation fighter that stands a chance against Su-35 is F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. The reason why IAF purchased Rafale over Su-35 is because the maintenance of Su-35 is very expensive whereas the maintenance of Rafale is very cheap as compare to of Su-35.

 

[$@rJen]

According to specs Su-35 is the best 4++ generation and the only 4++ generation fighter that stands a chance against Su-35 is F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. The reason why IAF purchased Rafale over Su-35 is because the maintenance of Su-35 is very expensive whereas the maintenance of Rafale is very cheap as compare to of Su-35.

You're right but the reason India didn't go to Su-35 because our planned upgrade of su-30 to super su-30 will be equal to Su-35, and Russians didn't even pitch Su-35 in MMRCA it was mig-35.... there's another reason why IAF didn't want to go for Su-35 is becasue both Su-35 and Su-30 primary role is Air Superiority while we need a strike fighter where Rafale with its low RCS, capability to evade enemy SAMs, was chosen

India will not get 120 Rafales anytime soon, please spare me that nonsense. If India is luckly they will get the current deal, even then I have my doubts. This deal will just pour India's money down the toilet, France is making sure they can squeeze each and every penny out of India's pocket. The deal is simply not worth it, by the time India gets a substantial number of Rafales its neighbours will already have caught up.

And by the way, China will have their 5th gen aircraft in service by 2020. I have no doubt soon after that Pakistan will also buy them. So no, India's neighbours are not a few decades away from getting 5th gen aircraft.

You describe the Rafale as being much better than the Russian 4th gen aircraft, and that's true. But the fact is, Russia seems to be the only ones willing to sell advanced aircraft to India. Everyone else is either trying to cheat India or is simply saying no. Russian Sukhois are the best India is going to get for a while.

Read my post aain i never confirmed we'd get 120+ Rafale.. IAF is getting those 36 Rafale. we've already signed the agreement on 26th.
India, France sign Rafale agreement: Modi - BBC News
only cost negotiation is taking place which would be finished by next month or so.

LoL... pakistanis never stop crying over Toilets.. are you aware India is paying little less than what egypt and Qatar paid?? and that too with 50% Offset!!? And what's that neighbor??? Pakistan??? read the posts of Pakistanis from the first page and you'll realize wht'd be the status of PAF. As for Chinese we'd have FGFA by 2023-35 don't you worry about it. going by Chinese fighter dev history we know what'd be the capability of their non-stealth looking stealth fighter. Super Sukoi, Rafale are good enough to hold them.

LoL... Pakistan would get that this... you remind me of Zarvan who always quote we should get this and that in 10s and 100s of Numbers... are you aware that Chinese stealth which are going to be inducted are banned for exports??? and the other one is decade away for exports.. For us the work on FGFA is gaining momentum in two years our prototype would land in IAF base and by 2025 first sqd would be formed.

LoL... its not just india anyone who wants the best would have to pay more.. Its not India who paid the higher price first.... have you ever heared about Qatar signing 24 rafale for 7+billion while Egypt paid 6+ billion for 24 Jets????!!! We're already being offered F35 as well.

 

[MastanKhan]

I m not glorifying anything, its just you who is extremely underestimating Pakistan's capabilities. Please don't be a pessimist be positive.

Hi,

Pakistan's capabilities are what they are----there is nothing to be pessimistic or positive about it----these words are used by people who want to hide their incompetence---weakness---lack of application---.

 

[Salman Shakeel]

JF-18 best option, Russia , China & Pakistan joint CB Aircraft

 

[IceBreaker]

indeed 36 is small... but it'll grow till 50+

and the main issue is not the number but the fighter.... you know rafale's RCS is damn small.. its one of a top best fighter for SEAD ops.. which is going to turn the situation upside down for PAF.

You misunderstood my post,
I'll Edit it

why our forces and people always ready to die for their homeland ?

why not kill and eliminate the F****** threat ?

we will die for Pakistan ----------- Pakistan Zindabad
we will die protecting Pakistan --------- Allah ho Akbar

why cant things be like this ?

we will kill our enemies to defend Pakistan --------- Pakistan Zindabad
we will eliminate our enemies before they can reach Pakistan -------- Allah ho Akbar

which one sounds good ?

Its not the die hard patriots who say we will die for pakistan, its just the random Joe, who, when war erupts will be more worried about saving is butt rather than is nations butt, Dying on the battlefield is far more painful than telling people on the internet (or Tv ) the you will present your life for your country.
Thats the reason they don't say that ''we will kill the enemy before it even attacks us''.
Because they already know its painful.