what will be pakistan's answer to rafale

[NABZ]

yes the typhoon is the only good 4++ gen fighter but as i said, its expensive.

I don't get it. why there is 60+ mil gap between typhoon and rafale. 190 for typhoon is just too much plus 4 countries political which hunt. it makes them unreachable

JFT is the best of the modern fighter plateforms , but it also has its limits ?
Yes we can think off blk 3 of it , what after that ?
Maybe few more advanced avionics , or a bit design change , but that's , where it can go further & that's it .

If its blk 3, can serve PAF more then 30 years to come , thats itself wouldbe a marvelous achivment on its own ?

But , we need to keep other options open to us ?
We need to match , a enemy which is getting bigger & better day by day ?
We , need to bring at least 100 fighter jets between 4.5 to 5.0 generation in to our inductation , in a short period of time ?
Our F*16s we have tested already in kargill , answer we all knew well .

100 4.5-5 gen fighters? man that could be 15-20 bil$$ procurement. where's the money?

 

[Tipu7]

yes the typhoon is the only good 4++ gen fighter but as i said, its expensive.

What can be price of package of 36 EFT with complete training course and munitions.....?

we can thank god you dont work in paf management otherwise they will be ruined, work out why i said that and get back to me. heres a hint to get you going. money and time. go

You smelled Mastan concept here?

 

[Blue Marlin]

I don't get it. why there is 60+ mil gap between typhoon and rafale. 190 for typhoon is just too much plus 4 countries political which hunt. it makes them unreachable

it's better and the sterling is stronger than the euro so the cost to hire engineers is high. that, politics, logictics of parts across countries etc.......

What can be price of package of 36 EFT with complete training course and munitions.....?


You smelled Mastan concept here?

it's better and the sterling is stronger than the euro so the cost to hire engineers is high. that, politics, logictics of parts across countries etc.......

about £6-7.5 billion ish and thats if you include service life of parts too. but it will have to be off the shelf and no expectation of retun in investment like india and indoneasia.

 

[Basel]

Here again ,
If IAF won't pitch its all SU*30s mki power towards western zone then , where they I'll be keeping it & whom for ?
China ?lolzz

Not to mention , their fleet of MIG 29s , mirrages ?
I guess , you need to get more info, on latest BVR missile adavances , before commenting & putting it as , an effective strategy by our arch rivals ?
Dear , PDF is kind of new generation debate club , & with your absolute judgment on the tactics of our enemies , you should make it clear what is your POV , its not what been discussed before or after ?

I know more than you, your post show you don't know how air wars are fought and what factors effect it. BVRs can be dealt with, with tech and techniques. Also many factors effect capabilities of BVR that is why there performance varies altitude to altitude.

 

[The Eagle]

You smelled Mastan concept here?

Then he is bad at it.... .... I am not even close to that.....

However Mastan has his own concepts which he finds best so it's up-to him.... No offence at all....

On serious note. ..it loops to me like.. we will have current F-16s and will try to work out for more in the meantime. Further Will go for J-31 and JFT will continue.

 

[NABZ]

it's better and the sterling is stronger than the euro so the cost to hire engineers is high. that, politics, logictics of parts across countries etc.......



about £6-7.5 billion ish and thats if you include service life of parts too. but it will have to be off the shelf and no expectation of retun in investment like india and indoneasia.

there was a news about PAF deeming to acquire 25-30 typhoons. any word on that?

 

[Blue Marlin]

there was a news about PAF deeming to acquire 25-30 typhoons. any word on that?

about a decade ago

 

[cerberus]

What can be price of package of 36 EFT with complete training course and munitions.....?

kuwait Deal For 28 Just Aircraft is €8 billion (US $8.7 billion) and India is 36 Buying it A 9 billion which better you Tell
http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ce-kuwait-sign-deal-28-eurofighters/79394322/

 

[The Eagle]

we can thank god you dont work in paf management otherwise they will be ruined, work out why i said that and get back to me. heres a hint to get you going. money and time. go

So that's mean PAF is all well and we all are in safe hands so no worries in the end.

On topic.... Can't see EFT coming..... expensive, sanctions expected and we are not going into Yemen that Shiekh would pay for it. Thanks God.

More F-16s if possible though couldn't see them coming but everything is possible it politics and low number addition is not bad.

We don't need to go deep for strike by tomorrow or in a month, looks like would ideally go for J-31.

Beside, JFT will grow further.

No twin engine coming sooner or urgently. However PAF is full of professionals and planners so I hope something beneficial will happen or would be in minds.

JFT is the best of the modern fighter plateforms , but it also has its limits ?
Yes we can think off blk 3 of it , what after that ?
Maybe few more advanced avionics , or a bit design change , but that's , where it can go further & that's it .

If its blk 3, can serve PAF more then 30 years to come , thats itself wouldbe a marvelous achivment on its own ?

But , we need to keep other options open to us ?
We need to match , a enemy which is getting bigger & better day by day ?
We , need to bring at least 100 fighter jets between 4.5 to 5.0 generation in to our inductation , in a short period of time ?
Our F*16s we have tested already in kargill , answer we all knew well .

Dear agreed wrt JFT and Kargil things.

But don't you think matching the enemy while keeping in mind his size and quantity would bring us close to collapse in end due to rush. We are not going to war even that soon if I think of any war in case. So also putting everything into opting of 4.5++ or 5th gen platform in hurry will end at isolation stage like no money and looking for spares, support or weapons at large. Just my opinion.

 

[帅的一匹]

PAF shall procure PL15 BVRRAM with ramjet max range to 150 km plus. PL21 with 300 KM range is under design. Can India produce any AAM with 150 KM plus range? I think only in dream.

 

[chocolatelyhero]

there was a time west looted our wealth after our ancestry lost the war . but now same land same people just deference name india and Pakistan are competing each other to give wealth to west for some toy, s while half of population are very poor and they don't care about those toy, s . india and Pakistan ridiculously threatening each other like crazy dogs , and west pouring fuel in to it so they can pocket more money from this poor nation in name of giving some toy.s . just wake up people .

there was a time west looted our wealth after our ancestry lost the war . but now same land same people just deference name india and Pakistan are competing each other to give wealth to west for some toy, s while half of population are very poor and they don't care about those toy, s . india and Pakistan ridiculously threatening each other like crazy dogs , and west pouring fuel in to it so they can pocket more money from this poor nation in name of giving some toy.s . just wake up people .

 

[batmannow]

So that's mean PAF is all well and we all are in safe hands so no worries in the end.

On topic.... Can't see EFT coming..... expensive, sanctions expected and we are not going into Yemen that Shiekh would pay for it. Thanks God.

More F-16s if possible though couldn't see them coming but everything is possible it politics and low number addition is not bad.

We don't need to go deep for strike by tomorrow or in a month, looks like would ideally go for J-31.

Beside, JFT will grow further.

No twin engine coming sooner or urgently. However PAF is full of professionals and planners so I hope something beneficial will happen or would be in minds.



Dear agreed wrt JFT and Kargil things.

But don't you think matching the enemy while keeping in mind his size and quantity would bring us close to collapse in end due to rush. We are not going to war even that soon if I think of any war in case. So also putting everything into opting of 4.5++ or 5th gen platform in hurry will end at isolation stage like no money and looking for spares, support or weapons at large. Just my opinion.

buying dam F-16s was the way we put ourselves in the deep dark wellll?
now no one is in a hurry , it's just simple induct a fighter jet platform , which is capable of being 4.5 & can be upgraded to 5.0 generation ?
whatever the selection we can have , wouldn't come within 2 years ?
so even if we go for what I'm telling , we still need a huge time to pass before any of that fighter.jet would be Flying our skies ?
now consider , yellow train & jangla bus service how much it has cost us ?
& can these projects can defend our country ?
& then think , J*20S , J*10c, J*16s , Su*35S even 30 of them within 2 years , can ensure our national defence ?
with india , a war can happen at any time , just yesterday Pathankot was burning there ?
It could have brought the fire on us ?

I know more than you, your post show you don't know how air wars are fought and what factors effect it. BVRs can be dealt with, with tech and techniques. Also many factors effect capabilities of BVR that is why there performance varies altitude to altitude.

I know more
I know more
I know more ?lolzz
but I can't discus it , because it's been done on PDF many times ?
sure with your dam logic , PAF shouldn't have any BVR capablties at all , &should use world war 2 tech to deal with our enemy's airforce ?
I'm telling you pls , stop shoting jokes after jokes ?
kid you need rest , go & take it ?
& stop with that "I know more " kind of kido mentality .

I don't get it. why there is 60+ mil gap between typhoon and rafale. 190 for typhoon is just too much plus 4 countries political which hunt. it makes them unreachable


100 4.5-5 gen fighters? man that could be 15-20 bil$$ procurement. where's the money?

man money IS in Swiss accountS of all the politicians ?
just look at from where they are spending on projects like , jangla bus , yellow train service , & nandipur projects ?
how ishaq Dar , S sons bying huge properties in dubai & London ?
from where abbas Sharif investing in India ?
don't tell me or fool yourself our nation don't have dam money ?
We have it , but we save it , on our personal accounts in swiszerland or in London ?

 

[The Eagle]

buying dam F-16s was the way we put ourselves in the deep dark wellll?
now no one is in a hurry , it's just simple induct a fighter jet platform , which is capable of being 4.5 & can be upgraded to 5.0 generation ?
whatever the selection we can have , wouldn't come within 2 years ?
so even if we go for what I'm telling , we still need a huge time to pass before any of that fighter.jet would be Flying our skies ?
now consider , yellow train & jangla bus service how much it has cost us ?
& can these projects can defend our country ?
& then think , J*20S , J*10c, J*16s , Su*35S even 30 of them within 2 years , can ensure our national defence ?
with india , a war can happen at any time , just yesterday Pathankot was burning there ?
It could have brought the fire on us ?

Sir...indeed you have the passions for Pakistan and military and i have been seeing it since a while that you have been showing your concerns which are natural and patriotic undoubtedly.

The high low mix you mentioned is a mix of strength but we have nightmare since 1947 saying MONEY. Your idea is not bad and if the top ten corrupts be brought to justice will give us squadrons of high end fighters but we have to keep in mind the current situation of our pockets and political leaders which are not dedicated at all with such accountability thing.

Indeed the new procurement is not a thing that could be done overnight but will take time if we start today so we may achieve the goal of countering any threat later and IMO PAF is already doing the necessary as compare to workout of new platform/procurement though things are not shared publicly due to some reasons.

Or if there is no such planning what I am saying above then it must be like not going for High Tier in rush or hurry due to some unavoidable circumstances.

What i feel while looking at things, it could be like....

Addition is not bad at all so if more F-16s are coming then let it be for the time being.
In the meantime participate in J-31 with J-20 inputs like avionics etc things as per our requirement.
On other hand JFT is already evolving and hopefully we are going to have a good number of export so it will earn and spend on its own so there will be no worries about JFT growth as a burden of economy on our shoulders at all.

But if it is about wishlist then Chinese Platforms are good enough but never western again.....
SU-35s are indeed symbols of force as per specs but India is already operating MKIs SU-30s so wouldn't make much different however Su-35 would always have an upper hand.

 

[calmDown@all]

Can India produce any AAM with 150 KM plus range? I think only in dream.

produced or in development sir
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-100_(missile)
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astra-beyond-visual-range-bvr-air-to-air-missile/
with Indian air force deployed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_530
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-77
http://articles.economictimes.india...-aviation-french-companies-thales-mirage-2000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile)#Derby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-31

and plz sir don't derail the topic its a matter of concern for any country to have a fulfilled force multiplier not for offensive but also for defensive purpose
thanks regards

 

[Darth Vader]

@Basel @batmannow
Few things for both you Paf just cant leave everything on Sams or Jets
Pakistan need center fibered system which allows all the weapon system in its possession to work as single unit and they have done that
Bats F16s isnt that bad of a platform its capable cheap platform the thing you were talking abouts its not weapon systems wickness it was mans fault .
As For Su and new purchases of new birds pakistan currently cant buy new platform too much is going on
Making 10 to 12 birds isnt cheap and they are also trying to expand it
Now sams mix hi and low combo with a good capable platforms can keep any enemy at bay

You will see changes in Paf when jf 17 goes above 150+
Till that its just sit relax and wait