easy tiger
go easy on our guest. Turkish defense industry is very respectable. like he said the issue is mainly with power plant. not many countries have that capacity yet. China is still struggling in that department. Turkish industry is NATO standard and top notch. look what they made out of A-129 a buffed up beast T-129.. I see the similar genius in them like the Israelis who make good western jets to much better examples are mirages and F-16s.
well this is not the subject here. just saying dont harass people
you guys also turned A-129 into a very powerful gunship. and did MLU of our F-16s too, please dont be upset thee was some misunderstanding. your contribution is welcome and we hope that we can share out JF-17 knowledge in any future joint programs.
Sir,
We were talking about facts here ?
& its a cold fact that with all of their respected advancement in military technology still
israelies, or turks can't manufacture a jet fighter by their own ?
Nor they are producing any ?
Hellos are a different ball game , India manufactures them to ?
My post wasnt intended to harass any one ?
I was just stating a fact that , with all of the efforts & they can't produce any fighter by their own , what they were doing is re-making & upgrading F-16s under the supervision & strict guidance of Americans , sure they would have learned more & a lot , I respect it , but still they are unable to produce a fighter jet by their own ?
US weapons are vastly superior to anything out there. No doubt, that F-16 Blk-52 and associated weapons have pushed PAF many notches above from where it was. In fact, the newly acquired capability was instrumental in our anti terrorist operations in FATA area. There is a reason that Pakistan has shown interest follow on order. Those who use these machines are fully aware of what it can do.
However, some US politicians are over playing their hand when it comes to fulfilling needs of their allies. Take for example AH-1Z deal. Pakistan needed attack helicopters badly in its current operation. Request for AH-1Z remained lying with US for some three years. Pakistan had to turn to Chinese and Russians for its needs before AH-1Z was cleared. This does not invoke confidence and there will always be players eager to bite into US share of defense market. Defense acquisition from US these days takes so much time that some traditional buyers like UAE and KSA have procured Russian and Chinese weapons. Sure they do not equal US quality but then they are half the price and are readily available. Same sentiment was resonated by a US general after he visited Gulf countries. You guys need to make the process simpler and swift. Recent statements of PAF chief indicates that we are negotiating for more F-16s but he says it will take time. Why should it take time for a weapon that is already cleared and sold to Pakistan? There can always be arrangements to ensure sensitive technology is not leaked and I'm sure PAF will agree to reasonable demands. But if it has to wait three years to place an order while India has finalized Rafale deal with France, what confidence does it give to Pakistan? F-16s are beautiful machines and its latest variant 'Viper' can hold its own against Rafale. I'm also pretty sure that deal will eventually go through. What I don't get is initial hesitation in political quarters. Regional balance is already heavily in favor of India. Few F-16s, 15s, 35s aren't going to tilt it on favour of Pakistan. But when provided, they will ensure this region stays away from war triggered by imbalance. Last thing world needs right now is a war between two nuclear neighbors. We already have a lot to deal with in today's world.
What a post !super !
PAF just like many other air forces, did not buy the Gripen because of financial or political reasons, but because of technical reasons. Without going into details, the under-powered engine is it's biggest drawback.
Regards
As I have seen them perform in Thailand , it works fine her on the sea , but I have nice discussions with its pilots , they are not much confident about its role in a war .
You are combining things that are diametrically different to reach some interesting conclusions.
Pakistan hasn't got an India like nuclear deal simply because of the proliferation activities of the A Q Khan network. It has nothing to do with Pakistan sharing US technology with China. And even then, per numerous reports, the US is willing to overlook that episode & streamline Pakistan into the Nuclear Suppliers Group of it can curb its nuclear program which the West is claiming to be the fastest nuclear program in the planet & roll back on its tactical nukes.
Almost all of India's military is directed against Pakistan. India doesn't have the ability to seriously challenge China. The two countries are technologically & economically vastly different. China is a global power. India is a regional power concerned with competing with nations it's 10x demographically & economically bigger.
India is a lucrative market no doubt for Western defense complex, no doubt. There's no denying this.
About the high tech point. Just go through the equipment that comes with the F-16 sale. If you think they aren't high tech, then there's no point in this conversation
Do you ever know how many american companies were working with DR.AQ khan & what happened to them ?
no you don't ?
& we can have a discussion that what Pakistan is getting in form of defence package is a carefully planned & timed listed medium tech gadgetory , which only directed towards anti-terrorism activities of pak armed forces in general ?
It wasnt supplied for Pakistan s external security ?
Its not for ensuring Pakistan safety in war against India , we have fought in kargill & seen these stupid showpieces called F-16s shut down , when we need them backing up our heads ?
So my friend , sorry we Pakistanis are out of 80s fantasy top gun world of USA & we want our govt our military ensuring the top gadgets to save us from any external & internal aggression from any one India or India +NATO ?
Indian civil nuclear deal was a doccumented agreement of CIA , s indoor tour to Indian nuclear facilities nothing more ?
& we won't allow that , but we use that as the leverage in talks with Washington , which they know they can't afford ?
I just want to state that , dam F-16 era is gone , & we are looking beyond that .
