What stops USA from occupying Pakistan?

[VCheng]

Pakistani army is not only the security guarantee of Pakistan, there are also other Muslim nations that borrow expertise and manpower from Pakistan; some of them very influential when it comes to fossil fuels weapon.

If US attacks Pakistan, it will definitely involve India and that will definitely involve other regional nations; that's surely MAD.

If US occupies Pakistan, then China will be encircled from all sides by US allies, i.e. Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, South Korea, Japan which could involve in active conflict with China and other nations like Phillipines, Vietnam, Myanmar which have or are leaning towards US. US could block all of China's Middle Eastern Oil Supply or Shipping lines at will. Directly or indirectly, this makes China as Pakistan's ally. After all, there is a reason some Chinese diplomat has said that Pakistan is China's Israel. China does have a policy to avoid direct confrontation but there are other ways to fight a war.

In their heart of hearts, they know what a nuclear weapon is; they know where it can strike and it does not need to be launched by a cruise missile or a fighter plane to hit them or their allies; their are other ways, untraceable, unthinkable.

Lastly, when the Nation of Pakistan is under attack what do you guys think the people controlling the Nukes will be thinking?

Will they be thinking: Oh we can't do anything at all,
or
Will it be: This is the time we have been preparing for.

Desperate circumstances call for desperate measures.

Which video game is this that you are playing, pray tell?

Such scenarios have nothing to do with real life.

 

[Pak47]

Its the simple fact; Pakistan does not have much oil.

 

[blooboy]

A snake without fangs is as harmless as an earthworm. A lion without teeth and Claws is like a lamb.
So, America will not occupy Pakistan. It will rather opt to make it harmless.

 

[Awesome]

A snake without fangs is as harmless as an earthworm. A lion without teeth and Claws is like a lamb.
So, America will not occupy Pakistan. It will rather opt to make it harmless.

We have no intentions of being harmful, just defending against those people who consider themselves harmless after killing 650,000 in Iraq and around 100,000 in Afghanistan.

 

[vsdoc]

Do some Pakistanis here truly believe that India and Indians would be so naive as to openly provide a launch pad for a US invasion of Pakistan?

I mean, get real guys .... were we born yesterday?

Unlike you we do not go around providing military bases on our soil to foreign powers.

We are perfectly capable of fighting our own battles and wars.

But that will be at a time and place of our chosing should we start one.

Should someone else choose to throw the first punch, we would of course respond.

But we do not believe that our enemies are that naive either.

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't understand this fashion among the fringe US loyalist Pakistanis - they support invasion of Pakistan yet are like "Traitor na kaho mujhe". Buddy there are somethings where you just don't go, zameen hiljaye, qayamat ajaye, but support a foreign nation conquer Pakistan? Hell no!

This is not just treason - but high treason. There can be zero tolerance for it. Be critical of all things Pakistan, thats fine, its good too let's make Pakistan better. But advocating Pakistan be invaded? It's a heinous crime, its despicable and its certainly not the act of a Pakistani. The shame belongs to the person who would sacrifice the country for their personal problems. Even if you have to die or have a gun pointed to your head and if you still betray Pakistan, its still unacceptable. Loyalty to Pakistan comes first, its mandatory, its demanded, even if you get nothing out of Pakistan even if Pakistan drags you to ruin. You can't betray Pakistan.

That's the baseline you must accept before we can consider talking.

Asim,

You are taking it away every which way---no head---no tail-----. You people are talking about the invasion of the u s---I am talking about the reactions of pakistanis and what they will do----.

Why are you people blind when I tell you to kill al qaeda---or kill the murderers and rapists---why do you plug your ears----. Why do you CHICKEN OUT when I talk about a bloody revolution in pakistan----. Why don't you take note of how often I talk about different ways of achieving goals in controlling fanatics---law and order---talking with the americans----.

You just keep putting spins on things----just keep on winging what ever comes to minds---.

Young man---you know why is pakistan in a deep hole---it is because of you people---because you are blind to its problems---because you are deaf to listening to its needs----because you are senseless to its sufferings---because you are clueless what to do with it---and why would you not admit to it---because you cannot admit that you the young people and your parents generation is a failure---and what you see happening in the country is because you have failed miserably.

It is not me who is the problem---it is you ---young man---it is the likes of you---who have no clue what TACTICS are---what gamesmanship is---talking about declaring others as 'ghadars'---it is a fashionable statement in pakistan----oh you are a ghadar---oh you are Mir Jafar---oh you are Mir Qasim----.

Did you peole ever think that maybe---Siraj ud Daulah or Sultan Tipu were equally as big a culprit for letting these criminals grow right under their shadow---.

Did you people know that Sultan Tipu was a poor leader in judging the character of men closer to him---he had no internal spies reporting to him regarding the activities of his Mirs---did you know that Siraj ud Daulah was equally incompetent in judging the people surrounding him---let us not forget Musharraf either---.

Listen Asim---pakistanis are just 'hot air'----freedom and character requires a lots of hard work and and daily regimen---. Pakistanis still live under the illusion that you can build the dams on the day of the floods----or it needs a disaster to bring unity to people---the nations who act like that are not ready for anything----.

Freedom and development is an every day excercise---year in and year out---and you don't even see the results.

The same China that returned the P3C Orion after it had collided with a jet, killing the pilot?

Realpolitik wins every time!

Hi,

Actually returned it in boxes----copied all and everything that needed to be copied.

 

[Edevelop]

Asim,

You are taking it away every which way---no head---no tail-----. You people are talking about the invasion of the u s---I am talking about the reactions of pakistanis and what they will do----.

Why are you people blind when I tell you to kill al qaeda---or kill the murderers and rapists---why do you plug your ears----. Why do you CHICKEN OUT when I talk about a bloody revolution in pakistan----. Why don't you take note of how often I talk about different ways of achieving goals in controlling fanatics---law and order---talking with the americans----.

You just keep putting spins on things----just keep on winging what ever comes to minds---.

Young man---you know why is pakistan in a deep hole---it is because of you people---because you are blind to its problems---because you are deaf to listening to its needs----because you are senseless to its sufferings---because you are clueless what to do with it---and why would you not admit to it---because you cannot admit that you the young people and your parents generation is a failure---and what you see happening in the country is because you have failed miserably.

It is not me who is the problem---it is you ---young man---it is the likes of you---who have no clue what TACTICS are---what gamesmanship is---talking about declaring others as 'ghadars'---it is a fashionable statement in pakistan----oh you are a ghadar---oh you are Mir Jafar---oh you are Mir Qasim----.

Did you peole ever think that maybe---Siraj ud Daulah or Sultan Tipu were equally as big a culprit for letting these criminals grow right under their shadow---.

Did you people know that Sultan Tipu was a poor leader in judging the character of men closer to him---he had no internal spies reporting to him regarding the activities of his Mirs---did you know that Siraj ud Daulah was equally incompetent in judging the people surrounding him---let us not forget Musharraf either---.

Listen Asim---pakistanis are just 'hot air'----freedom and character requires a lots of hard work and and daily regimen---. Pakistanis still live under the illusion that you can build the dams on the day of the floods----or it needs a disaster to bring unity to people---the nations who act like that are not ready for anything----.

Freedom and development is an every day excercise---year in and year out---and you don't even see the results.

Sir,

This is what i have been trying to say all along to our people and especially to the young generation who support Imran Khan with eyes closed. The problem is, our people want to hear want they want to hear. I firmly believe in a proper bloodshed revolution to solve Pakistan's problems. I thank you for repeating this message

 

[vsdoc]

To understand whether the US will invade Pakistan as a clean up agent as against as an occupier or country builder (the country not necessarily being Pakistan of course), one must ask and try to understand whether Pakistan serves any strategic advantage to the US is their scheme of things in the region in the current, middle term, and longer term aspirations.

What do you guys think of that?

I personally believe that the US is done with Afghanistan, and their aim of finishing off AQ leadership can be equally well served without them physically in the region.

Do you believe they would like to Balkanize Pakistan to the extent of having a sea route they control all the way inland into the CAR?

For what? Most of the plum resource contracts and mining concessions are already in the hands of the Chinese.

They will not, cannot, come beyond a certain Russian red line. That much from the Cold War still remains firmly entrenched.

They already control the middle east.

They are trade partners to both India and China, and know fully well that there will be no scope of military/strategic ingress there.

They have their bases in Japan and Soth Korea anyways, with plans of setting up new ones in Australia.

So WHY would they invade Pakistan?

P.S. Mastan, CB4, its a little unfair, and not very difficult, to call for a bloody revolution by Pakistanis in Pakistan when you personally are sitting in the US and Canada respectively.

What will a bloody revoltion achieve? WHO will Pakistan and Pakistanis be revolting against?

Themselves.

Because the leadership of a nation comes from within its own people.

 

[Awesome]

Asim,

Why are you people blind when I tell you to kill al qaeda---or kill the murderers and rapists---why do you plug your ears----. Why do you CHICKEN OUT when I talk about a bloody revolution in pakistan----. Why don't you take note of how often I talk about different ways of achieving goals in controlling fanatics---law and order---talking with the americans----.

We are killing AQ, Taliban. We are not killing people for hate speech as you want us to. We are going one step further and talking to them changing mindsets. How many people can you kill? Millions? Two million more will think that we are the idiots and join their cause.

This is what you said

Actually most of the pakistanis would be relieved---the relief of acknowledgement that they are not capable to govern and adminstor themselves as civilized human beings----. Relief that at least there will be water, electricity and food---so---with these three essentials---why would the pakistanis want to fight----. Jobs will come sooner than later----.

This IMO was encouragement and a nudge towards accepting American occupation. IMO there can be no debate on this, there are clear lines that every Pakistani must not cross. Your attempt at blurring those lines is what drew sharp criticism.

Young man---you know why is pakistan in a deep hole---it is because of you people---because you are blind to its problems---because you are deaf to listening to its needs----because you are senseless to its sufferings---because you are clueless what to do with it---and why would you not admit to it---because you cannot admit that you the young people and your parents generation is a failure---and what you see happening in the country is because you have failed miserably.

I know what to do and I have been consistent with it. Freedom for all Pakistan. Secular laws, rule of law and justice for all.

What is your plan? Take an AK-47 and start gunning down Mullahs like a mad man.

It is not me who is the problem---it is you ---young man---it is the likes of you---who have no clue what TACTICS are---

To use a military adage you may understand "Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics". Your way is not sustainable. Yes if you reduce Pakistan's population to 10% of its size then chances are that the terrorists would be wiped out as well. You will have no country remaining by the end of it. It is not I that advocate a massive war of Pakistanis with other Pakistanis it is you. A war is not needed when talking to people is bringing results.

Listen Asim---pakistanis are just 'hot air'----freedom and character requires a lots of hard work and and daily regimen---. Pakistanis still live under the illusion that you can build the dams on the day of the floods----or it needs a disaster to bring unity to people---the nations who act like that are not ready for anything----.

And your mistake is to define Pakistanis in terms of national calamities. This is not what Pakistanis are this is just a situation we are in.

I'll end this with a quote that has stuck with me:

"When I was in my early twenties on a trip to East Africa, I saw a gazelle giving birth. It was truly amazing. Within minutes, the baby was standing up–standing up on its own. A few more minutes, and it was walking. And before I knew it it was running alongside its mother, moving away with the herd. Humans aren't like that, Ambassador. We may come from the same planet as those gazelles, but we're pretty much helpless when we're born. It takes us months before we're able to crawl–almost a full year before we can walk. Our deep space mission isn't much different. We're going to stumble, make mistakes – I'm sure more than a few before we find our footing. But we're going to learn from those mistakes. That's what being human is all about. I'm sorry you can't see that."

 

[MastanKhan]

What about the common Afghan civilians that are getting killed in Afghanistan everyday in night raids without a fight. The fact is, Pakistanis will put up a fight even more intense than Afghanistan is putting up right now, there are divided opinions within Afghanistan; but there are no divided opinions in Pakistan when it comes to the US. Plus, it has about 5 times the population of Afghanistan, & the population possesses a lot more arms. No one is saying Pakistan will or should go for a direct confrontation with the US, but if the US cannot succeed in Afghanistan, it surely won't succeed in Pakistan.

Oh my children----you are so innocent---most of pakistan is flat lands----whereas a lots of afg is mountains----paks can't go hide in ,mountains---paks population numbers won't allow it----paks being used to the luxury lives that they live would not be able to do it----.

A diiefernt kind of war is waged in mountains---flatlanders have nowhere to run---and because of pakistans massive population----they will just be starved to submission----.

I want to ask you young men----how stupid do you people want to be called in the world forums---your five rivers---thei bridges blown---would enslave you in your localities---shortage of food in war will kill your children----lack of medicine will kill your dear ones in front of you----even your geography will turn against you.

Can you silly people do a geographical analysis of your country----as to how vulnerable you are to be cutoff and strangulated into starvation by just blowing up some strategically located bridges----.

You people don't deserve to be called the citizens of any nation----a citizen of a nation is conscious of his surrounding and behaves and acts in a manner so that no damage may come to his nation---and you blinded fools----at every oppurtunity you get----you seek more destruction of your motherland----you would rather see your nation die----but not your egos---citizens with MONUMENTAL egos---.

You death wishers are the true ghadars of pakistan---you are the real monsters---.

You people let a christian army invade a muslim nation---even though you had every oppurtunity to negate the problem----you want another christian army invade another muslim nation---so that you can show what kind of men you are---you people are mentally sick---.

What are you going to tell your GOD----when He asks--I gave you brains---I gave you understanding---I created examples in front of you through the periods of history that preceded your's---and still you bring the 'infidel' into my mosques---you let the 'infidel' desecrate my koran---you cause the needless of deaths of my believers for what---just to show how great a warrior you were----.

So---Asim when little pakistani boyz will be sodomized and little pakistani girls be raped by the american troops---and their families murdered to hide the crimes----you and Bilal and others of the likes-get on top of your roofs and do claim your manhoods.

We haven't even started about the sadistic porno movies that the ameican troops will be making----.

 

[Awesome]

Oh my children----you are so innocent---most of pakistan is flat lands----whereas a lots of afg is mountains----paks can't go hide in ,mountains---paks population numbers won't allow it----paks being used to the luxury lives that they live would not be able to do it----.

A diiefernt kind of war is waged in mountains---flatlanders have nowhere to run---and because of pakistans massive population----they will just be starved to submission----.

I want to ask you young men----how stupid do you people want to be called in the world forums---your five rivers---thei bridges blown---would enslave you in your localities---shortage of food in war will kill your children----lack of medicine will kill your dear ones in front of you----even your geography will turn against you.

Theek hai mulk khatam kardete hain, why run a country when it can't oppose a foreign powers will?

The country is important enough, our independence and freedom is important enough to risk it all.

Our manhood would lie in the effort that we put forth. Koi apke ghar main ghuske apke bachon ko chaparein lagana shuru karde, aapse zyada takatwaar ho, aap toh kaho ge, main kyun laroon usse, yeh toh bewakufi hai.

When you carry such a cowardly demeanor you are inviting someone to come into your house and start slapping your kids, since he knows you are the sort of person who gets intimidated by size.

I on the other hand would threaten the intruder and the intruder would know that despite he would walk away victorious he would go home without an arm and a leg. End result, your kids got slapped around and you used your logic and did NOTHING. My kids may get slapped around and or it may happen that the intruder would go like "Screw it, I like my arm and a leg, not worth slapping his kids".

My way is more effective, it has nothing to do with proving my manhood. It is has all to do with sustainable defence through channeled aggression.

When Salman Taseer (a man I never even liked) was killed, half the liberals of this forum just went into hiding. I can count on my fingers the few people who went into the offensive and still fought tooth and nail for secularism within Pakistan despite all the odds and all the danger. Pakistan's improvement requires a sacrifice, something above and beyond your own personal well being.

 

[MastanKhan]

Asim,

Pakistan needs order---and there is only one way now---that is the way of cleansing and permanent removal of the corrupt---this hard drive of the pakistanis is so corrupted that it needs to be replaced.

Pakistani have made fun of the law for a long time---AK47 is secondary---the primary weapon is a rope with a slip knot and a pole to hang----. This is the law of nature my young man----read the histories of nation who have law and order----those nations setup their foundations solid over the dead bodies of the criminals---be it great britain---a liberal nation like holland or belgium or german---or a democracy like the u s--may it be france---these nation have civilized laws now because when they were where pakistan is now----they used to have standard executions and hangings on daily basis---.

Read muslim history---read the history and enforcement of the law and order by those rulers who were known as just rulers---read the history of rulers who maionatined peace in their nations by ruthlessly taking out any acts of insurgency----.

You people are all gas and steam---you haven't any idea what your your just leader did---and you want to come here and argue in vain.

Please go do your home work---and read----read about Mir Abdur Rahmna of afghanistan---how he provided justice to afghans and how he fought the wave of crime----read about how the justice was provided by Babur, Akbar, Jehangir, Sher Shah Suri, Shah Jehan, Aurengzeb----.

You kids come here on these board and talk air about doing right---whereas being clueless of your own histories---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Theek hai mulk khatam kardete hain, why run a country when it can't oppose a foreign powers will?

The country is important enough, our independence and freedom is important enough to risk it all.

Our manhood would lie in the effort that we put forth. Koi apke ghar main ghuske apke bachon ko chaparein lagana shuru karde, aapse zyada takatwaar ho, aap toh kaho ge, main kyun laroon usse, yeh toh bewakufi hai.

When you carry such a cowardly demeanor you are inviting someone to come into your house and start slapping your kids, since he knows you are the sort of person who gets intimidated by size.

I on the other hand would threaten the intruder and the intruder would know that despite he would walk away victorious he would go home without an arm and a leg. End result, your kids got slapped around and you used your logic and did NOTHING. My kids may get slapped around and or it may happen that the intruder would go like "Screw it, I like my arm and a leg, not worth slapping his kids".

My way is more effective, it has nothing to do with proving my manhood. It is has all to do with sustainable defence through channeled aggression.

When Salman Taseer (a man I never even liked) was killed, half the liberals of this forum just went into hiding. I can count on my fingers the few people who went into the offensive and still fought tooth and nail for secularism within Pakistan despite all the odds and all the danger. Pakistan's improvement requires a sacrifice, something above and beyond your own personal well being.

Asim,

Don't you get it---you won't be able to do nothing---but before that----what it is coming down to---it is all about your personal ego now---isn't it---has nothing to do with strategy , gamesmanship and tactics----you know you got noen of that---and now you think that you are going to do the honorable things---die in doing it while the rest of the country gets destroyed.

You know why you won't be abl;e to do nothing---because the world is tired of your shenanigans----looking back---you would see that iraq and afg had more welwishers than you did-----.

You won't have a single person to shed tears for you---if there is a war to take over pakistan by the u s-----you havenot seen the likesof it before---it will be at a lightening fast speed with massive strike power never seen in the history of mankind----.

It is easier to fix your KIBLAH my young man---read your history---read about the successful muslim rulers---what they did to bring peace and prosperity to the nation and why they succeeded---and don't read about the those who lost it all---you ain't gonna get much from bitter endings----success breeds success----good things bring good rewards---do and act like the good rulers---you won't have to do the un-thinkable.

 

[vsdoc]

Asim, the moment you put civilians into the position of militia, you condemn your cities, old, women, and children, to the full military force of the invader per the rules of warfare.

Far more powerful nations than Pakistan have tried to do it and failed.

It then ceases to be one house after the next.

Then cities become fair targets for carpet bombing.

If your populace then runs and disperses into the countryside, it frees up the invader for what he came in for in the first place.

He is not interested in going after your civilians. But if they come in his way, they become military targets.

What are they going to fight back with? AK47s and rocket launchers?

And where are they going to take cover? Mountains and deep forests?

Your educated threats are not going to scare off an invader man. You have a very soft underbelly and you do not have more than kitten claws to scratch back when pinned on your back.

 

[Awesome]

Asim,

Don't you get it---you won't be able to do nothing---but before that----what it is coming down to---it is all about your personal ego now---isn't it---has nothing to do with strategy , gamesmanship and tactics----you know you got noen of that---and now you think that you are going to do the honorable things---die in doing it while the rest of the country gets destroyed.

Ego? Manhood? I've given you sound reasoning on how being a buzdil coward would drive you to ruin for SURE. Standing up and giving a fight may keep the enemy at bay forever.

Every bully in the world backs off when you are willing to stand up to yourself - your country, included. There should be no doubt to the US that it would require nothing less than the genocidal killing of all 180 million Pakistanis to successfully hold Pakistan. We will fight till the very end. There should be no doubt in that and here you are trying to scare Pakistanis and saying "When the US comes, let them, okay? Otherwise US will beat you up, okay? It is smart to let them occupy you, okay?"

Hell no.