What price will America pay for the Trump presidency?

[Thamizh Puli]

It's one thing to try to psych yourself into thinking something you're not.

It's quite another to keep letting Westerners manipulate your political systems so that we in Asia keep electing corrupt leaders who now play the same CHEAP game Westerners once did (and still do). Which is sowing hate, division, playing ethnic/religious/social groups against each other, instead of becoming stronger and more united against Western and Northern hemisphere interests, which should be our main goal.

China (because of their inherent discipline and tight social control) has been able to exactly this - while the Western bootlickers and sycophants wallow and founder in Asia (especially South Asia). Pathetic.

Our Western enemies in the Subcontinent sell arms to both Pakistan and India (some 100 billion or so a year) so we get distracted from our primary task, building our nations' collective societal standards (health, education) and economies.

Now - instead of trying to ape Western-oriented thoughts (which benefit only the West) when are people in India going to grow a backbone and look at what benefits THEM??

History dictates otherwise and I'm not holding out high hopes.

bla bla bla - don't worry about who. learn to discuss the idea

 

[Bilal9]

bla bla bla - don't worry about who. learn to discuss the idea

No Thanks for not even comprehending these thoughts, Sanghi.

Stay a Western bootlicker - and grace my ignore list....

And wait for Massa to throw you a bone - if they take pity....

 

[Thamizh Puli]

No Thanks for not even comprehending these thoughts, Sanghi.

Stay a Western bootlicker - and grace my ignore list....

And wait for Massa to throw you a bone - if they take pity....

so sorry to see how damaged you seem to be. rise up

 

[Beidou2020]

America will continue to weaken regardless of which party or person is in charge. It’s an empire that’s in terminal decline. Nothing they do can save their eventual collapse.

 

[tower9]

There is too much hyperbole here.

The world is going to become multi-polar. The US has no capability to stop this. Yes, it can make China's life more difficult and will, but it won't stop China from being a superpower in the long run, the momentum is too strong, China's population is too big, it already has a huge pool of educated people and is already the world's largest industrial and trading power.

But does this mean if the US will collapse? That's nonsense. The US will remain a superpower, but will have to deal with another superpower in the world. Neither China nor the US can dominate the world. The world will be split into many poles of influence with Russia, Europe, India, various Muslim countries, Brazil all retaining influence. There may be a day when an African state becomes strong enough to start exerting influence and becoming a local pole of power as well, I would be money on Ethiopia for that.

The world is going to be a messy, chaotic, loud and angry place. But gone are the days when one hyperpower ruled the world. In recent history, only two states have come close to that position. The first is Britain in the mid to late 19th century and the second is the United States after WW2, the US completely dominated and had the lion's share of the world's financial, industrial muscle.

That day won't return. China will be a superpower but it will hit resistance in many paths that its power will be constrained. The US will also have to deal with a diminished role while still retaining a position as a superpower.

De Coupling with China will happen but the American Manufacturing jobs ain't coming back as Trumpers believe just shift out to Vietnam,Indonesia or the big cake India they really want India to be their poodle now folks like Steve Bannon and Peter Thiel would love that but it will hurt China short term as China isnt a cheap labor powerhouse like it was in the 90s 2000s China wants to be big boss basically now decoupling and tariffs would have worked under Slick Willy or Dubya



I use to think Communism was shit system again being product of the US society you are thought to believe the so called Free Market is everything and All the horrors of Communism granted Communism is a shit system but Capitalism is utter shit system as you described capitalists made concessions after the Great Depression and WW2 to weaken labor rights and labor unions by giving Social Security and later Medicaid but look right after 1992 when USSR bite dust no more concessions for working Americans tho process started in the late 70s under Carter later accelerated under Reagan then super accelerated under HW and Clinton

Some of China's manufacturing may shift to India, but I think companies that move to India will soon hit a reality check. Lack of infrastructure, brownouts, a less disciplined workforce, higher shipping costs, farther from other industrial supply chains, etc will probably raise their operating expenses even if they can save a bit on the labor.

China has already been moving away from cheap labor intensive manufacturing since 2010. The fact that armchair generals keep harping about how moving T shirt and shoe factories away will make China collapse is almost comedy tier.

The real key is whether China can move up the ladder without access to Western, mainly American investment and technology. They've been a reasonably strong domestic research capability, capital market and market for it, but that's still up in the air. If even with massive tech sanctions, China can overtake established semiconductor and chip fab companies, advanced industrial machinery makers, Boeing and Airbus, then China will pretty much be in the clear. If not, China will be stuck in the middle income trap.

 

[vi-va]

US death toll is 50,000 now. I think it will exceed 100,000 soon. It's sad though.

 

[Aspen]

Trump presidency has done some good and some bad stuff.

America will pay a price but not because of Trump.

America will pay a price because of corruption in Washington DC. This is out of Trump's control.

Congress is brain dead and it will not wake up without a massive revolution to root out every corrupt criminal in Washington DC. When a country does not serve the interests of its people, it is doomed to fail. People will take back their country by protests or by force if their lives depend on it. America is reaching that point.

US is a declining power and nothing can stop this except a massive revolution. 1776 but bigger. If they do not wake up, it is over. Even the Persian empire had to come to an end some day.

 

[vi-va]

Trump presidency has done some good and some bad stuff.

America will pay a price but not because of Trump.

America will pay a price because of corruption in Washington DC. This is out of Trump's control.

Congress is brain dead and it will not wake up without a massive revolution to root out every corrupt criminal in Washington DC. When a country does not serve the interests of its people, it is doomed to fail. People will take back their country by protests or by force if their lives depend on it. America is reaching that point.

US is a declining power and nothing can stop this except a massive revolution. 1776 but bigger. If they do not wake up, it is over. Even the Persian empire had to come to an end some day.

Question is, it will be one America or multiple ones after the inevitable revolution?

 

[Bilal9]

Question is, it will be one America or multiple ones after the inevitable revolution?

You introduce a sobering thought my friend.

The crazy Gun nuts may carve out separate territories which they have been talking about.

I sincerely hope not.

 

[Asian.Century]

What a sad demisd of America as a super power. Look at USA now, states fighting among themselves, fact is it was talk, media propaganda threats, aid and depleting war machine, ended by Muslims of the world who the War on Terror was launched. The world superpower has been defeated by Muslims again.