What Muslim country is ideologically most similar to Pakistan?

[StormBreaker]

In essence, practice your faith as you see fit and let me practice mine.

Good share.
Isn’t that the original Message of Islam Brought to us By Prophet Muhammad SA ? To practice, Promote Islam but don’t harm or taunt other faiths.

 

[dBSPL]

Turks hate Arabs. How will their Ummah concept work minus the Arabs. Again, they aren't a confused bunch like Pakistanis. They know what they are and are proud of it.
I also like Indonesians alot. Proud of their ancient culture to this day. You can't say the same to them.

Turks hates Arab? Stop characterizing nations in this way.

How many Turkish people do you know? Or do you think the three or five members here are all the Turkish nation? In history, there have been tribes who collaborated primarily with the British empire and this betrayal is still remembered, but this has never been generalized to all Arab nations.

Today, Turkey is the largest donor country in arab world and the largest donor nation is the Turkish nation for opressed, poor and war-losing Arabs, as non-arab country...

Besides being the donor country, more than half a million Iraqis and 4 million Syrians, with others nearly 5 million Arabs and arab country citizens livin in TR. Turkey spend billion and billions dolars for them every year , its all Turkish taxes, Zekats and donations...

We have sincere and fraternal relations with many Arab countries from the Gulf to Africa.

But your point of view must belong to a wholesaling mentality that equates the entire Arab world to the spirit of a single tribal leader ... Even for this situation, the deep bonds of love between the two country's peoples are exalted. There are millions of people who do not have political populism.

Trying to learn the world from social media triggers a dangerous combination. The combination of ignorance and fascism is very dangerous. However, the more dangerous thing is to commenting as an expert on issues that you know nothing.

 

[StormBreaker]

Turks hates Arab? Stop characterizing nations in this way.

How many Turkish people do you know? Or do you think the three or five members here are all the Turkish nation? In history, there have been tribes who collaborated primarily with the British empire and this betrayal is still remembered, but this has never been generalized to all Arab nations.

Today, Turkey is the largest donor country in arab world and the largest donor nation is the Turkish nation for opressed, poor and war-losing Arabs, as non-arab country...

Besides being the donor country, more than half a million Iraqis and 4 million Syrians, with others nearly 5 million Arabs and arab country citizens livin in TR. Turkey spend billion and billions dolars for them every year , its all Turkish taxes, Zekats and donations...

We have sincere and fraternal relations with many Arab countries from the Gulf to Africa.

But your point of view must belong to a wholesaling mentality that equates the entire Arab world to the spirit of a single tribal leader ... Even for this situation, the deep bonds of love between the two country's peoples are exalted. There are millions of people who do not have political populism.

Trying to learn the world from social media triggers a dangerous combination. The combination of ignorance and fascism is very dangerous. However, the more dangerous thing is to commenting as an expert on issues that you know nothing.

Well Done, Perfectly said.

 

[Meengla]

Within the bounds of Shariah. Opponents of sufism want to make it sounds like a heretic sect, et all the sufi ulema are strict followers and teachers of the shariah in the light of Quran and Hadith. The drums and cannabis is a fringe element.

Sharia? You know the Talibans in the 'Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan' thought they were enforcing Sharia! To them thousands of years old statues were a threat! You know the 'No Sitare' PNA political alliance against Bhutto in 1976-77 thought they were going to bring Sharia to Pakistan. You know Zia ul Haq thought he was going to 'Islamize' Pakistan from 1977-1988. You know the goons of Lal Masjid in Islamabad in 2007 thought they were enforcing Sharia even though they had killed Pakistani military personnel, taken over a mosque and a library, and put guns in the mosque. You know the Pakistani Talibans in 2007-09 thought they were enforcing Sharia in Swat. You know that the Haramkhor Maulana Khadim Rizvi lately is trying to enforce Sharia...

Pakistani society and its written Constitution is 'Islamic' enough. No need to introduce more Islam into the country because there is NOT ONE version of Islam the majority would agree upon. The idiots in Pakistan can't even agree upon 'Moon Sightings' for Eid when even Saudi Arabia has that sorted out!! There are bigots, pressure groups, opportunists more than willing to be tools of foreign agents to wreak havoc inside Pakistan again. Pakistan is indeed facing grave threats externally; no need to take focus off them.

So let it be where we are! A Sufi-oriented society. A society the Founder of Pakistan would have wanted.

 

[313ghazi]

Sharia? You know the Talibans in the 'Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan' thought they were enforcing Sharia! To them thousands of years old statues were a threat! You know the 'No Sitare' PNA political alliance against Bhutto in 1976-77 thought they were going to bring Sharia to Pakistan. You know Zia ul Haq thought he was going to 'Islamize' Pakistan from 1977-1988. You know the goons of Lal Masjid in Islamabad in 2007 thought they were enforcing Sharia even though they had killed Pakistani military personnel, taken over a mosque and a library, and put guns in the mosque. You know the Pakistani Talibans in 2007-09 thought they were enforcing Sharia in Swat. You know that the Haramkhor Maulana Khadim Rizvi lately is trying to enforce Sharia...

Pakistani society and its written Constitution is 'Islamic' enough. No need to introduce more Islam into the country because there is NOT ONE version of Islam the majority would agree upon. The idiots in Pakistan can't even agree upon 'Moon Sightings' for Eid when even Saudi Arabia has that sorted out!! There are bigots, pressure groups, opportunists more than willing to be tools of foreign agents to wreak havoc inside Pakistan again. Pakistan is indeed facing grave threats externally; no need to take focus off them.

So let it be where we are! A Sufi-oriented society. A society the Founder of Pakistan would have wanted.

If the only examples of shariah you know are thugs, i don't think you're qualified to comment on it.

 

[dBSPL]

The main struggle of the Turks from 1914 to 1924 was against the attacks of the British empire. You cannot evaluate historical facts without understanding the spirit of time.

With regard to the Ummah and the Caliphate issues, please start by looking at the 1920's world political map. How many independent Islamic nations were there and how can be caliphate institution would serve to british empire, try to evaluate this without populism.


These days, Turkey has secular nature. But there are big differences between the existing system in Turkey and what you understand from secularism. Some our Pakistani brothers are living in Turkey in this forum and they can explain theirs life to you as comparative between hardline secular countries or hardline Sharia countries.

There are no obstacles to live an any Islamic practice in Turkey. Freedom of religion and conscience is under constitutional guarantee at the same time. So for people who want to live in Islam, the situation has no different from Pakistani muslims.

However, our civil law, legislative and judicial system are not regulated according to Sharia principles. Nevertheless, the Diyanet institution, which will eliminate the incompatibilities, was established by Atatürk himself. I think this is the main issue that using in criticises about Turks secularism. The Turks simply abolished the authority of religion over the state organs and reduced them only to the quality of advice. That is another aspect of the people's will in Turkey now over of everythink. But what religion is there in the conscience of the people? The structure here is to make maximum use of the role of humanities in the modern world without putting pressure on the religious conscience of society which is an another order of our religion.

 

[Meengla]

If the only examples of shariah you know are thugs, i don't think you're qualified to comment on it.

Yeah, everyone is a 'thug'. Only real example of Sharia you could come up with would be from the dawn of Islam 1400+ years ago. That was a very very different situation.

It's best to keep religion a private matter. As was in the spirit of the M.A. Jinnah speech of 11 August 1947. Go and offer your Prayers. Go for the Pilgrimage. Offer Zakat. But I am old enough to have seen what kind of disasters happened inside Pakistan because of the political opportunism in the name of Sharia. And that's not some 'liberal' wish: It's a practical wish for the survival of Pakistan.

 

[StormBreaker]

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[xenon54 out]

Pakistanis worship Turks for some odd reason, makes me cringe.

Infidel Western ideology is breaching their youth. I expect most jits want to be like the rest of Europe.

Lol, if you think gays which make up a very tiny fraction of Turkish population are somehow representatiove of a 80 million nation then im gonna assume that you as an Arab also get represented by suicide bomb wearing terrorists how about that?
Gonna blow up something this Easter Abdul?

Besides, dont act like gays dont exist in Arab world, they do, they just cant live it as openly as in Turkey because its literally a life and death matter for them in your country.

 

[Meengla]

Lol, if you think gays which make up a very tiny fraction of Turkish population are somehow representatiove of a 80 million nation then im gonna assume that you as an Arab also get represented by suicide bomb wearing terrorists how about that?
Gonna blow up something this Easter Abdul?

Besides, dont act like gays dont exist in Arab world, they do, they just cant live it as openly as in Turkey because its literally a life and death matter for them in your country.

With the possible exception of Lebanon, the entire Arab world is a socially-suffocating place. Ten times I would rather live in Pakistan than those countries where people may be hospitable and nice but not only is their geography/landscape not much appealing, on the whole, but also social freedoms are generally set for some other past centuries.

 

[Philip the Arab]

With the possible exception of Lebanon, the entire Arab world is a socially-suffocating place. Ten times I would rather live in Pakistan than those countries where people may be hospitable and nice but not only is their geography/landscape not much appealing, on the whole, but also social freedoms are generally set for some other past centuries.

Infidel.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

In response to the original question, Pakistan is most similar to the Islamic Republic of Cybertron.

 

[xenon54 out]

With the possible exception of Lebanon, the entire Arab world is a socially-suffocating place. Ten times I would rather live in Pakistan than those countries where people may be hospitable and nice but not only is their geography/landscape not much appealing, on the whole, but also social freedoms are generally set for some other past centuries.

Same for me, if i had to choose a muslim country to live in it would be any of the poor but secular governed ones rather than some kind of rich but theocratic dump holes.

 

[313ghazi]

Yeah, everyone is a 'thug'. Only real example of Sharia you could come up with would be from the dawn of Islam 1400+ years ago. That was a very very different situation.

It's best to keep religion a private matter. As was in the spirit of the M.A. Jinnah speech of 11 August 1947. Go and offer your Prayers. Go for the Pilgrimage. Offer Zakat. But I am old enough to have seen what kind of disasters happened inside Pakistan because of the political opportunism in the name of Sharia. And that's not some 'liberal' wish: It's a practical wish for the survival of Pakistan.

1. Historically Muslim kingdoms have implemented shariah. The Ottomans, the Durrani Empire, the Mughal Empire, Tipu Sultan, anyone and everyone who has ruled over Muslims implemented shariah law.

2. Shariah is not limited to what we consider "law of the land" today. The definition of halal and haram, etc are all part of shariah. We have aspects of it, even in Pakistan today.

It is a shame that Pakistani's only view shariah through the prism of politics, this is not your fault, it is the fault of the uber politicised clergy in our country who are just as power hungry as the politicians. When I made my original point is was to say that Sufi Islam is not chuff chuff pirs, cannabis, drum circles and miracles.

Indeed the some of the Awliya through the power given to them by Allah swt did miracles, but their entire lives were spent teaching Islam, living by the laws of Islam, guiding others to Islam, and helping those in need. They stood up to haram and promoted halal - often in the face of power.

Sufi Islam is not the hocus pocus some people like to portray it as today. If people want to get high to a drum beat chanting Allah Hu, they're welcome - it is their personal matter - but the crux of Sufi Islam is Shahada, Salat, Fasting, Zakat, Hajj, controlling ones nafs, rememberance of Allah. It is madrasa, not mazaar, it is langar, not landcruiser. It is tawheed not just taweez.

Of course that is not to say that mazars should not be visited, i regularly visit khari sharif when i am in Pakistan, but i am disappointed how it is a tourist attraction rather than a beacon of teaching Islam and helping the poor.