WHAT IT TAKES technly, TO MAKE a J-11b (a modifyied FLANKER), TO TAKE ON MKI!

[IceCold]

sorry for an unrelated question ...
what GEN was F117 ??

Well you may call it as a first generation active stealth fighter.

 

[batmannow]

Su 30 is based on Su 27 though a lot has changed...

The confirmed version of J-11 is still sporting the ancient N001 series radars whereas the ones on Su 30 are a league apart...one thing to massively improve would be the radar which would need much more accuracy, range, high processing power enabling the simultaneous tracking and engagement of multiple targets...

The answer lies in a question about the ability of the Chinese to reverse engineer an entire plane and come out of the dependency on the Russians for integrating the locally manufactured avionics and weaponry to the J-11.
The ability to integrate modern western systems shall also be required in order to take J-11 to a new level and on par with Su30.

The use engines with TVC shall be needed for J-11 to compete

I do not have detailed information on the confirmed capabilities of the J-11B but i do believe that China has claimed a lot of major improvements...

If the Radar, Engines, intakes,Cockpit design and key avionics especially the targeting systems are improved upon and composites are introduced...the J-11 will give Su30 a run for its money...

This can be more easily facilitated by integration of the best systems available in the market...the options will be limited for J-11 since already Russia will be hard with China and thus will block the sale of any Russian systems...China will have to turn to the west and most willing maybe Israel...which is not bad actually...so things are not all down...however all depends on what the Chinese have learned so far and knowing them i can expect a lot...

The PAF was wise with JF-17 and have made it into a very modular system which can be integrated with a lot of western systems...in this manner the JF-17 has a lot of potential to be able to integrate with the best products and remain in the game...so PAF's doctrine is not to limit itself and keep all options in hand...

If J-11 can be made into a similar platform from scratch by China and dependence on Russia is eliminated.. i do not see any issue with PAF considering it in 3-6 squadrons, especially for naval role and deep strike missions against heavily guarded key military installations...however there a lot of Ifs...much depends on what China is willing to risk...

Any thing between 50 to 100 modified J-11s will be enough for PAF, hypothetically speaking of course...the endurance they shall offer is very different from what FC-20 can offer...

that's just PKF's opinion, they bought 180 engines to replace the ones on the existing fleet of 270 flankers. We know that J-11B right now uses WS-10A and that WS-10A is already in mass production.

180 engines are not sufficient for 272 aircraft.



some of upgrades of J-11B over su-27sk
1. It has lower weight than sk + more powerful engine -> better T/W ratio
2. It has lower RCS and is designed for longer service time
3. It uses fiber optics communications between the mission computers and faster data communication standard than link 16
4. It has all all-glass cockpit with holographic HUD.
5. More advanced EW suite with MAWs providing 360 degree coverage + IRST that's improved on OLS-31E
6. Much more powerful radar which will be replaced by AESA radar in the near future.
SK weighs 16.5 tons. u can decrease its weight by 1 ton just by replacing its soviet era avionics. so no big deal. unless u can show that J-11B weighs 14.5 tons which is highly unlikely just looking at FC-1/J-10

 

[Guest]

er~~ what about donw-gradeing it!

1) redesigned the airframe for a maximum 100 hour endurances;
2) do the same thing to its engines, 100 hours;
3) remove the IRST;
4) remove anything the has nothing to do with air combact;
5) reprograme and redesigned the radar and avionics to provide air combact capability only, and of course 100 hours endurances.

according to the statistics, only 20% of the pilot surrive the first 5 missions, so 100 hours (means 10-20 flights) would be more than enough.however, by doing so, its price would probablely to be halved.

 

[k7x]

By the time J10B is upgraded to MKI standard.. Inidan Mki will move to MKI-MK2... India will not sit and loose its advantage

 

[Srinivas]

are you kidding me
1 when MKI is heading towards PAK border GROUND radars pick it up first ...then they scramble f-16s etc, so it is visible to radar (ground or air) and ANY figther with decent radar can lock onto the mki ....you are putting your statement in such a way as to say that indians claimed mki cannot be locked on by an aircraft and paf aircraft locked onto ----so you are saying mki ia as good as block-15 f-16s ha LOL

2 i said that MKI has a great radar and if j-11 has a competitive radar it has good chances to survive against the MKI---and not to forget jamming pods ---they are very important as BLOCK II mkis are sure gonna have jamming pods with the AESA and engine upgrade

IAF wants to paint the su 30MKI's with the radar absorbing materials which will achieve some degree of stealth to the bird. so watch on for more deadly su 30MKI's in the coming years

 

[batmannow]

good to here, but if , in the comming future, if J11bs CAN be able to GET WESTRN AVIONICS, & proper upgradation, they will be the nearst thing, to a MKK/MKI/ MK2 OR even MK3s, THTS what latest gosip is, from china, & according to them, thts was the reason , why they are not eyeing for SU-37/35!
well, painting will never, can become advantage, to MKI, Because china, has far more expertese, on that subject!

.Incorporation of on-board oxygen generating system (OBOGS): With the exception of Su-35 and Su-37, J-11B is the first of the Flanker family to incoporate such technology. Due to the adoptation of western style design features such as fully digitized computerized controls and solid state micro-electronics, Chinese claimed that the domestic OBOGS is superior than the analog system Russia offered to China.


because forn them its, the same plateform, with further technological, explorence.
i think , IF ever india goes for, HORNET thing, that will be, very hard to counter, if that would be a giant step , forward!

 

[Srinivas]

good to here, but if , in the comming future, if J11bs CAN be able to GET WESTRN AVIONICS, & proper upgradation, they will be the nearst thing, to a MKK/MKI/ MK2 OR even MK3s, THTS what latest gosip is, from china, & according to them, thts was the reason , why they are not eyeing for SU-37/35!
well, painting will never, can become advantage, to MKI, Because china, has far more expertese, on that subject!

because forn them its, the same plateform, with further technological, explorence.
i think , IF ever india goes for, HORNET thing, that will be, very hard to counter, if that would be a giant step , forward!

India is trying to use some technologies from PAK-FA to implement some degree of stealth( like painting with Radar absorbant materials). i have read some reports that it was successful in reducing the overall radar signature of existing design and in future india will definitely experiment with hypersonic Brahmos on su 30MKI

 

[batmannow]

India is trying to use some technologies from PAK-FA to implement some degree of stealth( like painting with Radar absorbant materials). i have read some reports that it was successful in reducing the overall radar signature of existing design and in future india will definitely experiment with hypersonic Brahmos on su 30MKI

Dear, hearing isnt enough on this fourm, plz give the source! thanks

well, now start reading now that!

Tandem twin seater version of J-11B under development, reportedly as the Chinese version of Su-30MK2/3. It is rumored that the letter S stands for Shuangzuo, meaning twin seater in Chinese. The existence of J-11BS is officially acknowledged by the Chinese government in 2007, and a large model of J-11BS was revealed public on June 9, 2007 during the opening ceremony of the new aerospace museum of the Harbin Institute of TechnologyHarbin Institute of TechnologyThe Harbin Institute of Technology , or HIT, is colloquially known as Hagongda . It is a technical university in the city of Harbin, Heilongjiang Province, China....
at the 20-year anniversary of the establishment of its school of astronautics, where it is displayed. Some sources outside China have claimed that the successful development of J-11BS is one of reasons that China lacks the enthusiasm on purchasing Su-30MK3, but the Chinese government appears to be rather cautious, with official reports only claiming that the project is very promising, instead of declaring it is successful already.
www.aviationnow.com
so, if they can do that, they can do every thing they want!

 

[desiman]

WHAT IT TAKES technly, TO MAKE a J-11b (a modifyied FLANKER), TO TAKE ON MKI!
dear folks!
in the growing , MKI threats, i see PAF been strangled, to counter, the deadly threat!
some our gentlemans ,giving ideas that, PAF should go for , western plate forms like RAFEALE or GRIPEN, even without, TOT?
i guss, buying a westrn hitech plateform isnt , the option PAF right now or even in comming 5 years, so question comes back, what we should to cover our , prime fighters!

here is a thought, that any how, if PAF can take 5 to 6 of J-11bs SQRDNS & up grade (westrn avionics)them to a level , where these BIRDS can take on IAFs mkis !

thanks plz gohead, but stay away from trolling!
also , if you dont like this thread, plz kindly dont post!









Su-30 MKI overview

The Su-30MKI version is a development of the Su-27 series. Though a variant of Su-30, the Su-30 MKI is more advanced than the basic Su-30 or the Chinese Su-30 MKK aircraft. Its avionics, aerodynamic features and components are similar to the Su-35.[6] This variant has significant upgrades on it from the basic Su-30 MK version. The aircraft was jointly designed by Russia's Sukhoi and India's HAL.
India exercised its Su-30MKIs against the Royal Air Force's Tornado ADVs in October 2006.[7] This was the first large scale exercise with any foreign air force in which the IAF used its Su-30MKI's extensively. This exercise was also the first in 43 years with the RAF. In July 2007, the IAF'S Sukhoi-30MKI'S were pitted against RAF Eurofighter Typhoon's .[8]

Improvements
The addition of canards is a notable improvement over the basic K and MK variants.
The addition of canards is a notable improvement over the basic K and MK variants.

* Canard Foreplanes: Canards are installed to increase lifting effectiveness and enhance manoeuvrability of the aircraft, They are deflected automatically to ensure controllable flight at high angles-of-attack.
* Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC): The 2D TVC makes an aircraft highly maneuverable. The aircraft is capable of near-zero airspeed at high angles of attack and dynamic aerobatics in negative speeds up to 200 km/h. Su-30MKI becomes the world's first TVC equipped operational fighter aircraft. According to Jane's all the World's Aircraft, India has the option to upgrade the engine with AL-31FP, which employs fuel manipulation to provide a pseudo 3D TVC (asymmetric 2D TVC), resulting in greater maneuverability.
* The N011-M Bars is the most powerful Russian passive phased array Radar (PESA) radar on any exported fighter aircraft. The passive phased array Radar Irbis-E [9][10][11]will make its debut by 2010, when the first totally-built Su-30MKI will roll out from HAL Nasik.
* A multi-national avionics complex sourced from Russia, France, Israel and India which includes Display, Navigation, Targeting and Electronic warfare systems.
* The Su-30 MKI has a maximum range, with one in-flight refuelling, of 8000 km. The Su-30MK and Su-30MK-1 have a maximum range, with one in-flight refuelling, of 5200 km (35% less than MKI variant).

More than 50 Su-30 MKI aircraft are currently serving in the IAF (The first squadron of Su-30MK aircraft has been taken out of service for upgrading to MKI standard), and belong to different batches- Mk.1, Mk.2 and Mk.3.

230 Su-30 MKIs, of Mk.3 standards and beyond, are expected to be in service by 2014.

The IAF has been exercising with other air forces like the USAF, French Air Force, Singapore Air Force, Israeli Air Force over the last couple of years and the most recent one being the exercise with the RAF's Tornados and Eurofighter Typhoons. The IAF also sent in its Jaguars and aerial refuellers to participate in the red flag exercises in the United States.

Purchase
After 2 years of evaluation and negotiations, in 1996, India decided to purchase Su-30 aircraft. India signed a US $1.462 billion deal with Sukhoi on 30 November 1996 for the delivery of 40 Su-30 aircraft. These aircraft were to be delivered in three batches. The first batch were 10 Su-30K or Su-30MK, the basic version of Su-30. The second batch were to be 8 Su-30MK with French and Israeli avionics. The third batch were to be 10 Su-30MKs featuring canard foreplanes. The fourth and final batch Su-30MKIs of 12 aircraft were to have the AL-31FP turbofans. Eventually, India will license produce up to 140 Su-30MKI domestically. After the delivery of the first batch, the second batch was delayed for unknown reasons. Thus it was decided to take delivery of full-standard Su-30MKIs. IAF decided to buy 10 additional Su-30Ks which were originally destined for Indonesia. The first batch of 8 Su-30Ks and these 10 additional Su-30Ks were to be upgraded in India by HAL.

In 2000, an agreement was signed allowing the license production of 140 Su-30MKIs in India. The deal was completed in Russia at the IAPO factory. The deal combines license production with full technology transfer and hence is called a 'Deep License'. India will eventually acquire a total of 230 Su-30MKI. Recent news indicates that Belarus is to buy the second hand 18 Su-30Ks from India[12] Though a variant of Su-30, the Su-30 MKI is significantly more advanced than the Su-30 and its various other variants.

India signed a deal on Feb 2007 for purchase of another 40 Su-30MKI in light of the declining fleet levels. These will probably feature a new active phased array radar.

Technical information
Pugachev's Cobra maneuver

The integrated aerodynamic configuration, combined with the thrust vectoring control ability, results in unprecedented maneuverability and unique takeoff and landing characteristics. Equipped with a digital fly-by-wire system, the Su-30MK is able to perform some very advanced maneuvers. They include the well-known Pugachev's Cobra and the Bell. While performing a somersault maneuver the aircraft makes 360-degree turn in the pitch plane without any loss of altitude. In the Controlled Flat Spin maneuver the aircraft performs several full turns in the horizontal plane, with zero forward speed, virtually on the spot.

Airframe

The Su-30MKI is a highly integrated twin-finned aircraft. The airframe is constructed of titanium and high-strength aluminium alloys. The engine nacelles are fitted with trouser fairings to provide a continuous streamlined profile between the nacelles and the tail beams. The fins and horizontal tail consoles are attached to tail beams. The central beam section between the engine nacelles consists of the equipment compartment, fuel tank and the brake parachute container. The fuselage head is of semi-monocoque construction and includes the cockpit, radar compartments and the avionics bay.

Aerodynamics


Su-30MKI aerodynamic configuration is an unstable longitudinal triplane. The canard increases the aircraft lifting ability and deflects automatically to allow high angle-of-attack (AoA) flights. The integral aerodynamic configuration combined with thrust vectoring results in extremely capable maneuverability, taking off and landing characteristics. This high agility allows rapid deployment of weapons in any direction as desired by the crew. The canard notably assists in controlling the aircraft at large angles-of-attack and bringing it to a level flight condition. The wing will have high-lift devices featured as deflecting leading edges, and flaperons acting as flaps and ailerons.

Flight control

The aircraft has a fly by wire (FBW) with quadruple redundancy. Depending on the flight conditions, signals from the control stick position transmitter or the FCS will be coupled to the remote control amplifiers. These signals are combined with feedback signals fed by acceleration sensors and rate gyros. The resultant control signals are coupled to the high-speed electro-hydraulic actuators of the elevators, rudders and the canard. The output signals are compared and, if the difference is significant, the faulty channel is disconnected. FBW is based on a stall warning and barrier mechanism which prevents development of aircraft stalls through a dramatic increase in the control stick pressure. This allows a pilot to effectively control the aircraft without running the risk of reaching the limit values of angle of attack and acceleration. Although the maximum angle of attack is limited by the canards the FBW acts as an additional safety mechanism.

Cockpit instrumentation

The displays include a highly customised version of the Elbit Su 967 head-up display consisting of bicubic phase conjuagted holographic displays and seven liquid crystal multifunction displays, six 127 mm x 127 mm and one 152 mm x 152 mm. The HUD was widely misreported to be the VEH 3000 from Thales. Variants of the same HUD have also been chosen for the IAF's MiG-27 and SEPECAT Jaguar upgrades, on grounds of standardisation. Flight information is displayed on four LCD displays which include one for piloting and navigation, a tactical situation indicator, and two for display systems information including operating modes and overall operation status. The rear cockpit is fitted with a larger monochromatic screen display for the air-to-surface missile guidance.

Navigation
The aircraft is fitted with a satellite navigation system (A-737 GPS compatible), which permits it to make flights in all weather, day and night. The navigation complex comprises high accuracy SAGEM integrated global positioning system and ring laser gyroscope inertial navigation system.

Communication
The communications equipment comprises secure VHF and HF radio sets, a secured digital telecommunications system, and antenna-feeder assembly. It mounts a noise-proof target data exchange system, which provides for coordination of the actions of several fighter aircraft engaged in a group air combat. An automatic flight control system makes all phases of its flight automatic, including the combat employment of its weapons.

Two-pilot crew
Two-pilot crew provides higher work efficiency as well as the engagement in close and long range combat and the air situation observation. Besides, the same dual control aircraft can be used as a combat and training aircraft. Additionally, the integrated air-borne equipment enables the aircraft to be used as an air command post to control the operation of other aircraft. The back seater is the Weapon systems officer (WSO). The pilot flies the aircraft and handles air-to-air and some air-to-ground (ATG) weapons, as well as countermeasures. The WSO takes care of the detailed aspects of navigation, ground radar mapping & target designation, delivery solution for ATG weapons etc.

Ejection seats
The crew are provided zero-zero KD-36DM ejection seats. The rear seat is raised for better visibility. The cockpit is provided with containers to store food and water reserves, a waste disposal system and extra oxygen bottles. The KD-36DM ejection seat is inclined at 30º, to help the pilot resist aircraft accelerations in air combat.

Radar
The forward facing NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) is a powerful integrated passive electronically scanned array radar. The N011M is a digital multi-mode dual frequency band radar.[6]

Features:
* The N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation system. It is equipped with a modern digital weapons control system as well as anti-jamming features.
* For aircraft N011M has a 350 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere. A MiG-21, for instance can be detected at a distance of up to 135 km. Design maximum search range for an F-16 target was 140–160 km.
* The radar can track 15 air targets and engage the 4 most dangerous simultaneously. These targets can even include cruise missiles and motionless helicopters.
* The Su-30MKI can function as a mini-AWACS as a director or command post for other aircraft. The target co-ordinates can be transferred automatically to at least 4 other aircraft.
* The radar can detect ground targets such as tanks at 40–50 km.
* The N011M is claimed to detect large sea targets at a distance up to 400 km, and small sized ones at a distance of 120 km.

The Su-30MKI can be integrated with the BrahMos cruise missile, becoming an anti-shipping platform.

Future upgrades:
* Future upgrade plans include new gimbals for the antenna mount to increase the field of view to about 90-100 degrees to both sides. New software will enable a Doppler-sharpening mode and the capability to engage up to eight air targets simultaneously.
* By 2010, when the first totally-built Su-30MKI will roll out from HAL, it could be equipped with a new phased array radar called the Irbis (Snow Leopard), which will replace the N011M Bars. These reports are yet to be confirmed by the Indian Air Force or official sources. The Irbis has been widely misreported to be an active phased array. It is not. NIIP in Vzlet, 2006 (a journal edited by noted aviation journalist A. Fomin) details the Irbis as a high power passive electronically scanned array, built using the experience of the Bars project. However, it will have a lighter antenna derived from the NIIP Osa (Wasp) radar, new servos to rotate the antenna in both axes, with a greater scan field (adding up to a total of 100 degrees), and an entirely new architecture with dual travelling wave tubes, giving a range of 400 km against a 3 meter square target (RCS). Using new high speed computers, the Irbis will be able to track 30 targets and engage 8. It will also be KS-172 capable.

Radar modes:
* Air-to-Air : velocity search, range while search, track while scan, target ID, close combat modes.
* Air-to-Surface : Real beam mapping, DBS mapping, SAR mapping, moving ground target selection, tracking and measuring of ground target coordinates.
* Anti-shipping : Sea surface search, moving sea targets selection, tracking and measuring of sea target coordinates, sea target ID.

Weapons-related avionics
Laser-optical locator system
* OLS-27 laser-optical locator system to include a day and night FLIR capability and is used in conjunction with the helmet mounted sighting system. The OLS-27 (Izdeliye 36Sh) is a combined IRST/LR device using a cooled, broader waveband, sensor.
* Tracking rate is over 25 deg/s with 50 km range in pursuit engagement, 15 km head-on. The laser rangefinder operates between 300 and 3000 m for air targets, 300 and 5000 m for ground targets.
* Detection range is up to 50 km, whilst the laser ranger is effective from 300 to 3000 m. Azimuth tracking is accurate to 5 s, whilst range data is accurate to 10 m. Targets are displayed on the same CRT display as the radar. Weighs 174 kg.

Targeting Pod

* Israeli LITENING targeting pod will be used to target the laser guided munitions. Litening incorporates in a single pod all the targeting features required by a modern strike fighter.
* The original pod included a 1st Generation FLIR, a TV camera, a flash-lamp powered laser designator, laser spot tracker for tracking target designated by other aircraft or from the ground, and an electro-optical point and inertial tracker, which enabled continuous engagement of the target even when the target is partly obscured by clouds or countermeasures.
* The pod integrates the necessary laser rangefinder and designator, required for the delivery of Laser Guided Bombs, cluster and general purpose bombs.

Electronic countermeasures
An integrated ECM system turns on the warning units that provide signals about incoming enemy missiles, a new generation radio recon set, active jamming facilities and radar and heat decoys. It also includes an electronic intelligence unit, a chaff and flare dispenser and a RWR system.

* The RWR system is an indigenously developed system by DRDO, called Tarang, (Wave in Sanskrit). It has direction finding capability and is known to have a programmable threat library. The RWR is derived from work done on an earlier system for India's MiG-23BNs known as the Tranquil, which is now superseded by the more advanced Tarang series.
* Elta EL/M-8222 a self-protection jammer developed by Israel Aircraft Industries is the MKI's standard EW pod, which the Israeli Air Force uses on its F-15s. The ELTA El/M-8222 Self Protection Pod is a power-managed jammer, air-cooled system with an ESM receiver integrated into the pod. The pod contains an antenna on the forward and aft ends, which receive the hostile RF signal and after processing deliver the appropriate response.

Indian contribution
Su-30MKI is fitted with several Indian designed and manufactured avionic items. Several critical items were developed by DRDO under a project code named "Vetrivel" (Spear of Victory Vel in Tamil) in close collaboration with the PSUs and the IAF. These included the mission computer, display processor and radar computer. Other systems supplied by the DRDO and HAL include the INCOM frequency hopping, jam resistant radio set, radar altimeters, IFF units, as well as dial-pointer instrumentation for the cockpit, intended as a backup for the digital Liquid crystal displays.

Some of the components developed by Indian agencies were:

* Mission Computer Display Processor-MC-486 and DP-30MK (Defence Avionics Research Establishment DARE): The 32-bit mission computer performs mission-oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration-cum-redundancy management and in-flight systems self-tests. In compliance with MIL-STD-1521 and 2167A standards, Ada language was adopted for the mission computer's software.
* Radar Computer - RC1 and RC2 (DARE)
* Tarang Mk2 Radar Warning Receiver + High Accuracy Direction Finding Module
* IFF-1410A - Identification Friend or Foe
* Integrated communication suite
* Radar altimeter

Other critical items from the Indian side, included test instrumentation and support equipment for the Sukhoi, which India now hopes to provide to other Sukhoi customers such as Malaysia.

Furthermore, Indian pilots and technical personnel played a vital role in optimizing the Sukhoi-30 MKI's ergonomics as well as information displays. Given the high level of user involvement, and local aeronautical expertise built up via the LCA program, it can be reasonably expected that Indian Su-30 MKI's will continue to evolve further.

Further developments in local avionics
* The DRDO has gone a step further and come out with a new design of the Core Avionics Computer (CAC) which can be used with a single module adaptation across many other aircraft platforms.
* The CAC which is derived from the computers designed for the Su-30MKI can also be also used in the avionics upgrades for the MiG-27 and Jaguar aircraft. The CAC was demonstrated by DRDO at the Aero India exhibition at Yelahanka and attracted a good deal of international attention. It has been suggested that a variant of the CAC may be also retrofitted to the Su-30 MKI. The advantage of the CAC is in its compact design, which performs both mission computing and display processing functions. DARE took up the development and delivery in quantities of Mission Computers, Display Processors and Radar Computers for the Su 30 avionics upgrade. The requirements were analysed and instead of building three different computers DARE developed nine functional modules. The chassis was also common across the computers. These modules use state of the art processors. They are designed as independent modules to do a specific function such as generating computer generated imagery for display on HUD or MFD. But they are able to communicate with the main processor module through high speed Dual Ported RAMs. This makes development of software for these specific functions as independent activities. Also, hardware changes in one module do not affect the other modules. Hence this approach utilizes the benefits of an Open System Architecture. The CAC is housed in an aircraft industry standard 3/4 th ATR chassis with an option rear mount ARINC 404 connector or front mounted 38999 series connectors. The tray is mounted in the equipment bay/rack of the aircraft and the computer is plugged in to the tray. It is forced air cooled and weighs less than 8 kg. At present however, the MKI uses two Mission Computers and two Display Processors. These four units could possibly be replaced by two CAC's or two of the new DARE CPCi based open architecture computers. The DARE is also working on a more powerful CPCi based open architecture computer as well as developing a Power PC 7400 based open architecture computer around the VME standard, for the Light Combat Aircraft. This also combines mission processing, display processing and a video switching unit in a compact line replaceable unit.

* HAL and DARE are currently working with SAMTEL India, a prominent Indian manufacturer of television displays, for the development of new multifunctional displays (MFD) which are to be superior to the original Sextant Avionique units currently used on the MKI. These displays will be able to simultaneously display both analogue and digital data on the same screen, and hence help in improved situational awareness for the aircrew.

* DARE has developed and inducted the High Accuracy Direction Finding (HADF) payload, on a Siva pod, for the MKI. As the name suggests, this is a direction finding sensor, which works in combination with the onboard Tarang RWR.

Further improvements to the MKI
Other improvements suggested include a higher proportion of composites in the airframe, drawn from the Indian experience with the Light Combat Aircraft, whose airframe is 95% composite by surface area, and 45% by weight. Such a move, would assist in:

* Weight reduction hence improving the aircraft performance
* Reduce its radar cross section.

Powerplant
Tail section of the Su-30MKI the deflected nozzles and horizontal stabilizer
Tail section of the Su-30MKI the deflected nozzles and horizontal stabilizer

The Su-30MKI is powered by the two Al-31FP turbofans. Each Al-31FP is rated at 12,500 kgf (27,550 lbf) of full afterburning thrust

* Al-31FP builds on the Al-37FU with the capability to vector in 2 planes. The TVC nozzles of the MKI are mounted 32 degrees outward to longitudinal engine axis (i.e. in the horizontal plane) and can be deflected ±15 degrees in the vertical plane. This produces a cork-screw effect and thus enhancing the turning capability of the aircraft.
* Two AL-31FP by-pass thrust-vectoring turbojet reheated engines (25,000 kgf full afterburning thrust) ensure a 2M horizontal flight speed (a 1350 km/h ground-level speed) and a rate of climb of 230 m/s. The mean time between overhaul for the AL-31FP is given at 1,000 hours with a full-life span of 3,000 hours. The titanium nozzle has a mean time between overhaul of 500 hours.
* There is no strain-gauge engine control stick to change the engine thrust in the cockpit, rather just a conventional engine throttle control lever. The pilot controls the aircraft with help of a standard control stick. On the pilot's right there is a switch which is turned on for performing difficult maneuvers. After the switch-over, the computer determines the level of use of aerodynamic surfaces and swiveling nozzles and their required deflection angles.

Range and fuel system

* The Su-30MKI has a range of 5,000 km with internal fuel which ensures a 4.5 hour combat mission.
* Also, it has an in-flight refueling (IFR) probe that retracts beside the cockpit during normal operation. The air refuelling system increases the flight duration up to 10 hours with a range of 8,000 km at a cruise height of 11 to 13 km.
* The IAF in cooperation with the Defence Food Research Laboratories (DFRL) has designed inflight meals to provide nutrition to pilots flying long duration missions.
* Su 30 MKIs also can use the Cobham 754 buddy refuelling pods.[13]

Health and usage monitoring system
Russian aircraft are often criticized on account of poor serviceability. For acquiring predictive maintenance capability, the IAF joined forces with South Africa's Aerospace Monitoring And Systems Ltd which developed a health and usage monitoring system.

* Predictive maintenance refers to the on and off board processing of aircraft sub-systems data, resulting in an accurate, conclusive indication of the health and usage status of various airborne systems
* The Su-30MKI on-board health and usage monitoring system (HUMS) monitors almost every aircraft system and sub-system including the avionics sub-systems. It can also act as an engineering data recorder

The Indian Air Force's Software Development Institute has also developed its own Health and Usage Monitoring systems as well as Mission Planning Systems, which are stated to be comparable to other products available internationally. Variants of these may also be used on Indian made MKIs.

* The Su-30 MKI's avionics also feature modular components as well as extensive reliance on BITE or Built In Tests, so as to assist maintenance personnel with quickly locating and rectifying/ replacing defective avionics items.

Weapons and payload

The Su-30MKI combat load is mounted on 12 stations. The maximum advertised combat load is 8000 kg (17,600 lb). The aircraft features the built-in single-barrel GSh-301 gun, a 30 mm weapon, and space for 150 rounds. Over 70 versions of guided and unguided weapon stores may be employed, which allows the aircraft to fly the most diverse tactical missions.

Armament:
The ranges mentioned should be taken as indicative, since they vary based on flight profile, target characteristics as well as several other factors.

Air to Air Missiles:

* 6 × R-27R/AA-10A/Astra[14] semi-active radar homing medium range AAM of range 80 km.
* 6 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
* 2 × R-27P (AA-10C) passive radar seeker, long range AAM
* 10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
* 6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km

Air to Surface Missiles:

* 2 × Kh-59ME TV guided standoff Missile, 115 km
* 2 × Kh-59MK Laser guided standoff Missile, 130 km
* 4 × Kh-35Anti-Ship Missile, 130 km
* 3 × PJ-10Bramhos Anti-Ship Supersonic Cruise Missile,300 km
* 4 × Kh-31P/A anti-radar missile, 70 km
* 6 × Kh-29T/L laser guided missile, 30 km
* 4 × S-8 rocket pods (80 unguided rockets)
* 4 × S-13 rocket pods (20 unguided rockets)

Bombs:

* 6 × KAB-500L laser guided bombs
* 3 × KAB-1500L laser guided bombs
* 8 × FAB-500T dumb bombs
* 28 × OFAB-250-270 dumb bombs
* 8 × RBK-500 cluster bombs

Pods:

* APK-9 (Datalink Pod for the KH-59 Missile)
* Cobham buddy refuelling pod, 754 series[15]
* IAI - Elta EL/L-8222 (RF jammer)
* Rafael LITENING Laser Targeting Pod.
* DARE (DRDO) High Accuracy Direction Finding (HADF) pod
* It is also believed that in need of a high altitude satellite killer.The weapon would be fitted to the central pylon and fired above an altitude of 60,000feet.

Specifications (Sukhoi Su-30MKI)

General characteristics

* Crew: 2
* Length: 22.10 m (72 ft 51 in)
* Wingspan: 14.70 m (48 ft 23 in)
* Height: 6.38 m (22 ft 89 in)
* Wing area: 62.04 m² (667.8 ft²
* Empty weight: 17,700 kg (39,300 lb)
* Loaded weight: 34,500 kg (76,100 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring, 131 kN (29,400 lbf) each

Performance

* Range: 3,000 km (unrefueled) (1,600 nm, 1,900 mi) unrefueled
* Service ceiling 20,000 m (59,000 ft)
* Rate of climb: >303 m/s (60,000 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 556 kg/m² (113 lb/ft²
* Thrust/weight: 0.77(at loaded weight




Chinese J-11B Presages Quiet Military Revolution

Aviation Week's AviationWeek.com

Nov 5, 2006
By Douglas Barrie

POWER PLAY

China is in the midst of a critical period of testing an "indigenous" version of the Russian Su-27 Flanker,known as the J-11B, with propulsion, radar and weapons system integration underway.

The effort is emblematic of Beijing's efforts to recast its capabilities for the 21st century as its military and associated defense-aerospace sector undergoes its own revolution in military affairs.

The development of the J-11B, if successful, will mark a notable change in capability--not only for key elements of the country's defense industrial base, but also for the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF).

The Chinese military is recalibrating the balance of quantity and quality in favor of the latter, as a guarantor of a decisive military edge and the ability to project power regionally. At the same time, the nature of the relationship between Beijing and Moscow may be subtly changing, reflecting China's growing confidence in its own capabilities.

Alongside key elements on the J-11B, Chinese industry is beginning to produce a gamut of capable guided weapons, both tactical and strategic, including satellite-guided precision systems. The emergence of unmanned platforms is also gaining the attention of Beijing.

The nationally developed systems now in various stages of the J-11B test program potentially provide performance improvements over the various Su-27 models now in PLAAF service.

Air Show China, held here Oct. 31-Nov. 5, included the first official detail about the Shenyang Tai Hang engine. This turbofan powerplant is being developed for the Flanker, and is also sometimes referred to as the WS-10A. A handful of J-11B airframes are now likely being used for development testing, including at least one J-11B engine-integration aircraft.

Beijing and Moscow first agreed on the Flanker sale in 1991, with a license production contract signed in 1996. The Flanker has given China its most capable fighter aircraft while also providing a vehicle for its industry to gain knowledge of fourth-generation fighter manufacturing. The first kit-built J-11A was completed in 1998. The J-11A still uses Russian engines, radar and weaponry.

Design and development of the Tai Hang has been underway for nearly two decades, says one senior Chinese aero-engine executive. He admits the program has proved challenging: "We hit difficulties in developing the engine."

Chinese industry executives attending the show remain reticent to discuss the J-11B program. The executive would say only that the Tai Hang has "similar applications to the Al-31 [the present Su-27 engine]. It's of a similar thrust and is of the same technology generation." The J-11B program also includes the integration of Chinese-developed planar array pulse-Doppler radar replacing the Russian N-001 cassegrain radar, at least two versions of which are fielded by the PLAAF. An image of a J-11B, still in its primer (see top photo on p. 27), appears to show the aircraft fitted with a different radome to the basic Su-27. Given the available space for a flat-plate antenna, this would offer a performance improvement over the N-0001.

Also associated with the J-11B is the Luoyang PL-12 active radar-guided medium-range air-to-air missile. While the Chinese air force already has the Russian R-77 (AA-12 Adder) in service with the Su-27, the PL-12 offers a big performance increase over the present export standard of the Vympel R-77. Officials from the company were unable to discuss the PL-12 project.

The initial development test-firing program for the overall PL-12 program now appears complete, with the missile at least close to service entry. It was integrated first on the J-8II for the development program. Trials of the PL-12 on the Chengdu J-10 also have been carried out.

The PL-12 does benefit from Russian technology, with the seeker and inertial guidance system provided by Moscow. A variant of the Agat 9B-1103M radar seeker is the most likely candidate for the missile. This seeker was intended initially for an improved version of the R-77, but appears to have been sold to China first.

The PLAAF currently has the capability for two-target engagement using the Su-27, R-77 combination. Successful integration of the PL-12 on the J-11B would likely provide a genuine multitarget capability and give the PLAAF a more capable air superiority aircraft.

The country is also moving to fill gaps in its tactical weapons capability, and to bolster its ability to support combat aircraft export proposals with credible guided-weapons packages. The show included the presentation of several previously unseen air-launched tactical systems. Luoyang showed the LT-2 laser-guided bomb, along with the LS-6 precision-guided glide bomb (middle photo). Rival China Aerospace and Technology Corp. unveiled its FT-1 and FT-3 satellite-guided weapons family. Both are aimed at potential exports of the FC-1 light fighter, including Pakistan, and likely national requirements.

Meanwhile, China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp. (Casic) showed the C-704 antiship missile (bottom photo), along with the C-802KD air-to-surface version of the C-802 antiship weapon.

The LT-2 has been in service with the Chinese air force "for more than three years," says a Luoyang executive. The 500-kg.-class (1,100-lb.) weapon resembles the Russian KAB family. The official suggested that the laser-guided bomb has a range of up to 20 km. (12.4 mi.) from high altitude, with an average accuracy of about 2 meters (6.5 ft.).

The LS-6 appears, in effect, a successor system, with a family of weapons planned. The official says "about a dozen" launch tests of the LS-6 precision bomb kit have been carried out using a Shenyang J-8II as the test aircraft. The program was begun in 2003, with testing now complete.

He identifies the JF-17--the Pakistan air force designation for the Chengdu FC-1 now in development--as the next intended aircraft for integration of the weapon. Guidance is provided by an inertial package coupled with satellite navigation. The official says the weapons family will be capable of using three systems--the U.S. GPS, the Russian Glonass and China's own Beidou system. The architecture for this system eventually foresees using five satellites in geosynchronous orbit (GEO) and up to 30 non-GEO platforms.

The 500-kg. LS-6 has a maximum launch range of 60 km. from medium altitude. A 1,000-kg. kit has also been considered, although this requires a larger wing. A 250-kg. variant is in the pipeline as well. Also under study is the addition of a laser seeker.

The two weapons shown by Casic cover the 250-kg. and 500-kg. class. The FT-1 bears a resemblance to the U.S. Joint Direct Attack Munition. Development began in 2001, according to a company executive. Tests have been carried out from a Xian JH-7. Range of the FT-1 is given as up to 18 km., depending on the release altitude and aircraft speed, with an accuracy of "30 meters, or less." Casic subsidiary China National Precision Machinery Import & Export Corp. is responsible for the C-704. At least a small batch of the antiship missile has been produced.

The design is strongly reminiscent of the Hongdu JJ/TL-6 antiship missile, although dimensions and performance figures for the two vary slightly. Data provided for the C-704 give the monopulse active-radar-guided missile a maximum engagement range of 35 km.

The company is also offering a further variant of its C-802 antiship missile. The air-launched C-802KD is claimed to be capable of engaging ships in harbor or some fixed land targets. Given that the missile is fitted with a radar seeker only, land targets would need to provide a high radar contrast.

An electro-optically guided medium-size air-launched weapon in a similar class to the C-802 is under development in China. This program almost certainly corresponds to the KD-88 designation.

The first indications of a measured shift in Sino-Russian relations could be detected in the outcome of the ongoing "push and shove" between Beijing and Moscow over the provision of a Russian engine for the FC-1 light fighter. The aircraft is a joint development between China and Pakistan.

Chinese and Russian aerospace executives are maintaining China's FC-1 light fighter will be provided to Pakistan with a Russian engine.

J-11
with further radar and flight instrumentation upgrade, most notably with the adoption of EFIS in its avionics. Radar: The N001V radar on J-11 is replaced by its successor, N001VE, which has the same tracking capability like its predecessor. The radar improvement is that in comparison to the older N001V radar which is only capable of single target engagement, N001VE is capable of simultaneously engaging two of the ten targets tracked with semi-active radar homingSemi-active radar homing
Semi-active radar homing, or SARH, is a common type of missile guidance system, perhaps the most common type for longer range Air-to-air missile and surface-to-air missile systems....
air-to-air missileAir-to-air missile
An air-to-air missile is a guided missile fired from an aircraft for the purpose of destroying another aircraft. AAMs are typically powered by one or more rocket motors, usually solid-fuel rocket but sometimes liquid-fuel rocket....
s. The major internal structural difference between the two radars is that the original TS101M processor in the older N001V radar is replaced by a more capable BCVM-486-6 processor of the Baguet series processor in the newer N001VE radar.
HMS: A more capable domestic Chinese helmet mounted sights (HMS) first begun to appear on J-11A, which soon became standard all version of J-11, including retrofitting earlier J-11.
EFIS: Most of the analogue dial indicators of the original Su-27SK are eliminated, replaced by four color MFDsMulti-function display
A Multi-function display is a small screen in an aircraft surrounded by multiple soft key that can be used to display information to the aviator in numerous configurable ways....
, which are part of the overall EFIS system designed by China Aviation Industry Corporation IChina Aviation Industry Corporation I
China Aviation Industry Corporation I was a Chinese consortium of aircraft manufacturers. The consortium was created on July 1, 1999 by splitting the state-owned consortium China Aviation Industry Corporation into AVIC I and AVIC II....
. There are three large MFDs that take most of the space of the flight instrumentation dashboard, with the MFD in the center is in a slightly lower position than the other two on the sides. A slightly smaller color MFD is located below the three MFDs, to the bottom right corner of the flight instrumentation dashboard. Since all of the official photos of the EFIS by China Aviation Industry Corporation IChina Aviation Industry Corporation I
China Aviation Industry Corporation I was a Chinese consortium of aircraft manufacturers. The consortium was created on July 1, 1999 by splitting the state-owned consortium China Aviation Industry Corporation into AVIC I and AVIC II....
on J-11A released by the Chinese governmental authorities so far are full frontal views, it is difficult to confirm if these color MFDs are either CRT, or LCDLiquid crystal display
A liquid crystal display is an Electro-optic modulator shaped into a thin, flat panel made up of any number of color or monochrome pixels filled with liquid crystals and arrayed in front of a Light#Light sources or reflector....
as claimed by many domestic Chinese sources.

J11B

This is the 4.5-generation multirole version which uses more Chinese components, including radar, engine, and missiles. The chief program engineer for J-11B is Mr. Guo Dianman(???). China is interested in reducing its reliance on foreign technology for both cost reasons and a desire to improve its domestic research and design. It is reported that one regiment of J-11Bs are currently in service, but this seems to contradict with the latest information provided by the Chinese government: In May, 2007, the existence of J-11B was finally acknowledged by the Chinese government for the first time when the state-run Chinese TV stations first aired the report on J-11B in PLAAF service. However, the official Chinese report claims that there are only two squadrons of J-11Bs in service, instead of a regiment, which is consisted of three squadrons (as of end of 2007). According to the Chinese report, which is agreed by some western sources such as Jane's Information Group, the J-11B is superior to Su-27SK in the following areas:
1.The wide adoption of composite material (mainly carbon fiber) for the surfaces, reducing the weight of the aircraft for more than 700 kg, while the life of the composite part is increased over 10,000 hours in comparison to the original part built from steel.
2.Redesigned air inlets of engine intakes to reduce the radar cross section, this coupled with the adoption of composite material, and application of radar absorbent material has reduced the radar cross section (RCS) of 15 square meters of Su-27SK to just >3 square meters of J-11B.
3.Full air-to-surface / sea capability is added and J-11B is able to launch various precision guided air-to-surface and air-to-sea munitions.
4.Certified to be equipped with WS-10 (will be upgraded to WS-10A in the future) turbofanTurbofan
A turbofan is a type of aircraft engine consisting of a ducted fan which is powered by a gas turbine. Part of the airstream from the ducted fan passes through the gas turbine core, providing oxygen to burn fuel to create power....
engine, which is claimed to be cheaper to operate than AL-31F.
5.Incorporation of on-board oxygen generating system (OBOGS): With the exception of Su-35 and Su-37, J-11B is the first of the Flanker family to incoporate such technology. Due to the adoptation of western style design features such as fully digitized computerized controls and solid state micro-electronics, Chinese claimed that the domestic OBOGS is superior than the analog system Russia offered to China.

6.Improved radar. The new radar is able to track 6-8 targets at the same time, and engage 4 of the 6-8 tracked simultaneously. When used against large surface target such as a destroyer, the maximum range of the radar was in excess of 350 km. The range against aerial targets was not disclosed, but it would be definitely much shorter, as in all radars. The Chinese official report claims that the radar is better than the 147x/KLJ-X radar family, but stop short of identifying the exact type. Contrary to many erroneous comments by many domestic Chinese sources, which mistakenly claimed that the radar had adopted a passive phased arrayPhased array
This article is about general theory and electromagnetic phased array.'For the ultrasonic and medical imaging application, see phased array ultrasonics....
antenna, the official claims of many Chinese governmental sources such as technical journals and publications have revealed that the radar still adopted a slotted plannar array antenna.

7.Improved radar. The new radar is able to track 6-8 targets at the same time, and engage 4 of the 6-8 tracked simultaneously. When used against large surface target such as a destroyer, the maximum range of the radar was in excess of 350 km. The range against aerial targets was not disclosed, but it would be definitely much shorter, as in all radars. The Chinese official report claims that the radar is better than the 147x/KLJ-X radar family, but stop short of identifying the exact type. Contrary to many erroneous comments by many domestic Chinese sources, which mistakenly claimed that the radar had adopted a passive phased arrayPhased array
This article is about general theory and electromagnetic phased array.'For the ultrasonic and medical imaging application, see phased array ultrasonics....
antenna, the official claims of many Chinese governmental sources such as technical journals and publications have revealed that the radar still adopted a slotted plannar array antenna.

8.Fully digitized solid-state avionics has replaced the analogue one in Su-27SK. In the mid-2007, the Chinese governmental television station CCTV-7CCTV-7
CCTV-7 is the military/agricultural focused channel of the China Central Television Network in the People's Republic of China....
released news clips of Chinese pilots in the cockpits of J-11B, with the LCDLiquid crystal display
A liquid crystal display is an Electro-optic modulator shaped into a thin, flat panel made up of any number of color or monochrome pixels filled with liquid crystals and arrayed in front of a Light#Light sources or reflector....
of glass cockpitGlass cockpit
A glass cockpit is an aircraft Cockpit that features electronic instrument Display device. Where a traditional cockpit relies on numerous mechanical gauges to display information, a glass cockpit utilizes several computer displays that can be adjusted to display flight information as needed....
of J-11B clearly visible, despite that the official report itself only claimed replacing the original avionics with domestic Chinese fully digitized solid-state avionics, and nothing of EFIS or glass cockpit was mentioned. In comparison to the earlier EFIS on J-11A, the most obvious difference is that LCD MFDs on J-11B are aligned in a straight line, instead of the middle one being slightly lower. The arrangement, appearance and layout of MFDs and EFIS of J-11B are similar to the general design concept of the west.
9.Missile Approach Warning Systen



Though it has long been rumored that J-11B is aerial-refueling capable, it was impossible to determine if any aerial refueling probes have been added to the aircraft from the released official reports by the Chinese government. Professor Wang also revealed in the same interview that the J-11B entering series production would be equipped with domestic engines.

J11Bs?
Tandem twin seater version of J-11B under development, reportedly as the Chinese version of Su-30MK2/3. It is rumored that the letter S stands for Shuangzuo, meaning twin seater in Chinese. The existence of J-11BS is officially acknowledged by the Chinese government in 2007, and a large model of J-11BS was revealed public on June 9, 2007 during the opening ceremony of the new aerospace museum of the Harbin Institute of TechnologyHarbin Institute of TechnologyThe Harbin Institute of Technology , or HIT, is colloquially known as Hagongda . It is a technical university in the city of Harbin, Heilongjiang Province, China....
at the 20-year anniversary of the establishment of its school of astronautics, where it is displayed. Some sources outside China have claimed that the successful development of J-11BS is one of reasons that China lacks the enthusiasm on purchasing Su-30MK3, but the Chinese government appears to be rather cautious, with official reports only claiming that the project is very promising, instead of declaring it is successful already.

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Very very nice post, finally someone using acutal specs rather than wishlist or dreams great post dude

 

[batmannow]

Very very nice post, finally someone using acutal specs rather than wishlist or dreams great post dude

mr, desi dog!
thanks for , appericiation, plz stop using this dude thing, i personaly , really dont like that!
need, you view point , on the issue!
thanks & well come!

 

[Sapper]

IAF wants to paint the su 30MKI's with the radar absorbing materials which will achieve some degree of stealth to the bird. so watch on for more deadly su 30MKI's in the coming years

Painting it with radar absorbing material will not be much effective on Su30, you know why ... because probably 90% of the RCS generated by Su30 is because of its massive engines being visible from front (from within FOD filter) and because of its two HUGE tails. This is the same problems US had with F14 & F15.

Why waste expensive paint on Su30 when its not going to give much of a difference.

 

[Srinivas]

Painting it with radar absorbing material will not be much effective on Su30, you know why ... because probably 90% of the RCS generated by Su30 is because of its massive engines being visible from front (from within FOD filter) and because of its two HUGE tails. This is the same problems US had with F14 & F15.

Why waste expensive paint on Su30 when its not going to give much of a difference.

Su-30MKI to go stealthy

After the F-15 Silent eagle it’s time for Su-30MKI to disappear out of the radar. There have been reports that Russia’s UAC (United Aircraft Corporation) and India’s HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) are developing the new Su-30MKI.

By 2014, UAC together with HAL will begin upgrading the first 100 IAF Su-30MKIs by modifying their airframes to make them stealthy, converting the existing ‘Bars’ into an active phased-array radar, enhancing the situational awareness by incorporating active electronically scanned transmit/receive arrays on the aircraft’s wings and pumping up the defensive-aids suite by installing a combined radar/laser warning system and a missile approach warning system.

Su-30MKI to go stealthy Defence Aviation

if f15 eagle can have some degree of stealth it is also possible for su 30MKI

 

[Srinivas]

Dear, hearing isnt enough on this fourm, plz give the source! thanks

well, now start reading now that!

Tandem twin seater version of J-11B under development, reportedly as the Chinese version of Su-30MK2/3. It is rumored that the letter S stands for Shuangzuo, meaning twin seater in Chinese. The existence of J-11BS is officially acknowledged by the Chinese government in 2007, and a large model of J-11BS was revealed public on June 9, 2007 during the opening ceremony of the new aerospace museum of the Harbin Institute of TechnologyHarbin Institute of TechnologyThe Harbin Institute of Technology , or HIT, is colloquially known as Hagongda . It is a technical university in the city of Harbin, Heilongjiang Province, China....
at the 20-year anniversary of the establishment of its school of astronautics, where it is displayed. Some sources outside China have claimed that the successful development of J-11BS is one of reasons that China lacks the enthusiasm on purchasing Su-30MK3, but the Chinese government appears to be rather cautious, with official reports only claiming that the project is very promising, instead of declaring it is successful already.
Aviation Week's AviationWeek.com
so, if they can do that, they can do every thing they want!

i agree with you that chinese defence capabilities and R&D are largely unknown to the outer world may be they have some surprises.
But i feel china has to catch up with Israel and west in navigation, targeting and electronic warfare systems.

 

[batmannow]

Su-30MKI to go stealthy

After the F-15 Silent eagle it’s time for Su-30MKI to disappear out of the radar. There have been reports that Russia’s UAC (United Aircraft Corporation) and India’s HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) are developing the new Su-30MKI.

By 2014, UAC together with HAL will begin upgrading the first 100 IAF Su-30MKIs by modifying their airframes to make them stealthy, converting the existing ‘Bars’ into an active phased-array radar, enhancing the situational awareness by incorporating active electronically scanned transmit/receive arrays on the aircraft’s wings and pumping up the defensive-aids suite by installing a combined radar/laser warning system and a missile approach warning system.

Su-30MKI to go stealthy Defence Aviation

if f15 eagle can have some degree of stealth it is also possible for su 30MKI

its oky, if SU-30MKI is going tobe stealthy!
i guss, same thing could be done , with J-11bs?

after all , its not out ffrom space?
so, its not the point , which is going to make MKI super forever, some day some how it will be , gettin countered , & the very close thing to me, is off course J-11B+s!
some up gragds in the RADARs , willl certnly going to make it, a nearest thing!

 

[sancho]

Dear, hearing isnt enough on this fourm, plz give the source! thanks

well, now start reading now that!...
...so, if they can do that, they can do every thing they want!

So after a decade they might come close to MKK and MKI, but can they equalise this?

- airframes will be strengthened and refurbished
- navigation-and-attack system will be upgraded in order to arm the aircraft with the BrahMos supersonic air-launched cruise missile for both maritime strike and ground attack
- modifying their airframes to make them stealthy (internal weapon stations)
- converting the existing Bars into an active phased-array radar
- enhancing the situational awareness by incorporating active electronically scanned transmit/receive arrays on the aircrafts wings
- beefing up the defensive-aids suite by installing a combined radar/laser warning system and a missile approach warning system
- integrating the new Klimov S117 4++ engine, that incorporates 5. gen techs and already proved 3D TVC and supercruise capability
- integrating 5. gen missiles that will be designed for Pak Fa and will be available for MKI too

I think the gap of upg MKI and J11B will be the as big as it is between the actual MKI and J11.

Here are some links about some of these techs:

Assessing the Tikhomirov NIIP L-Band Active Electronically Steered Array

RusArmy.com :: ‘Smart Skin’ concept for Su-30MKI \ Âîçìîæíûé îòâåò íà F-15SE

Here you can find an article about the new missiles (post#164):

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/25061-indo-russian-pak-fa-fgfa-11.html

its oky, if SU-30MKI is going tobe stealthy!
i guss, same thing could be done , with J-11bs?

after all , its not out ffrom space?
so, its not the point , which is going to make MKI super forever, some day some how it will be , gettin countered , & the very close thing to me, is off course J-11B+s!
some up gragds in the RADARs , willl certnly going to make it, a nearest thing!

China could do it, but it will again take years! The Russian have a clear edge, because they made that aircraft and all it's techs and China only trys to copy them.