What is your idea about the possibility of secularism in Iran?

[Ir.Tab.]

If all this is true, then Iran will become an secular nation. But take confucian values in your nation.

What is the meaning of the "confucian values"?

 

[Surenas]

What is the meaning of the "confucian values"?

The emphasis on 'society' rather than on the 'individual'.

Such regime couldn't survive in Turkey with such conditions more than 1 year no matter how many people they execute, how many arms and legs they cut off. So, you souldn't compare Iran with Turkey about that. If you are eager to make comparisons, there are many Arab countries at your disposal which would make more sense when compared to Iran.

I'll guess you never experienced the moments just after the revolution. You wouldn't be so confident about that, if you know about the cruel events that took place.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

He saved Islam, rather than destroying it.

Exactly, most of Iranian I meet in Iran have a negative prospective of secularism. In their mind secularism is equal to anti-religion-ism. I think it's a fact that most of Iranian have religious intention. For example take a look at the most popular names, chosen for babies in Iran:

خبرآنلاین - این نام ها همچنان انتخاب نخست ایرانیان برای دختران و پسرانشان است

Without support of religious people in Iran, I am not very optimistic about the future of secularism in Iran.

 

[TurAr]

I'll guess you never experienced the moments just after the revolution. You wouldn't be so confident about that, if you know about the cruel events that took place.

Those cruel events, like the one in todays papers which tells about a thief in Iran having his fingers choped in a meat grinder as a punishment would only encrouge the mobilty of opposition rather than generating fear.

So in my opinion, unlike your claims Iranians are either okay with the current regime and system, or they got used to be treated as slaves.

 

[kollang]

Those cruel events, like the one in todays papers which tells about a thief in Iran having his fingers choped in a meat grinder as a punishment would only encrouge the mobilty of opposition rather than generating fear.

So in my opinion, unlike your claims Iranians are either okay with the current regime and system, or they got used to be treated as slaves.

that is a Islamic rule.if you have problem with it,then you have problem with a part of Islam.

as I said Iranians are ok with current system(not ahmadinejad government).

 

[TurAr]

that is a Islamic rule.if you have problem with it,then you have problem with a part of Islam.

as I said Iranians are ok with current system(not ahmadinejad government).

Yeah, i certainly have problem with Iran's interpretation of Islam.

Are you aware of the fact that, that "Islamic" rule could drag you to the same fate as that thief no matter if you are innocent or not. Just one word from the religious leaders, and you might even find yourself waiting to be hanged on a crane. Don't you have a problem with that?

 

[kollang]

Yeah, i certainly have problem with Iran's interpretation of Islam.

Are you aware of the fact that, that "Islamic" rule could drag you to the same fate as that thief no matter if you are innocent or not. Just one word from the religious leaders, and you might even find yourself waiting to be hanged on a crane. Don't you have a problem with that?

there were execution or chopping body's part in prophet's era too.so its not Iran's interpretation of Islam.

 

[TurAr]

there were execution or chopping body's part in prophet's era too.so its not Iran's interpretation of Islam.

Indeed, Iran has just added some flavor in it by deciding to use meat grinders to do the job in public.
You haven't answered my question by the way.

 

[kollang]

Indeed, Iran has just added some flavor in it by deciding to use meat grinders to do the job in public.
You haven't answered my question by the way.

so you accepted...

the answer:in Iran religious leaders dont judge criminals.only Judges.

 

[SOHEIL]

that is a Islamic rule.if you have problem with it,then you have problem with a part of Islam.

as I said Iranians are ok with current system(not ahmadinejad government).

My brother ... ignore this useless thread ...

let them dreaming with each other ... 22 bahman is near ... sag oo oo konad , karevan rahe khish miravad

 

[mehmeTcc]

I'll guess you never experienced the moments just after the revolution. You wouldn't be so confident about that, if you know about the cruel events that took place.

Social groups in Iran united against Shah, socialists were dreaming a red Iran while Mullahs were preparing themselves for theocracy. In Turkey, we don't have that kind of unity: Leftists hate Kemalists and Islamists, Kemalists hate Islamists, Islamists hate Leftists and Kurds hate every one of them.
Anyways, I always admire Tudeh guys and MEK, but they both are insufficient for a counterrevolution.

 

[TurAr]

so you accepted...

the answer:in Iran religious leaders dont judge criminals.only Judges.

I accepted what?

Proposed amendments to Iran’s penal code would violate the rights of accused people and criminal defendants, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Iranian authorities should suspend enactment of the proposed amendments and undertake a major overhaul of the country’s abusive penal laws.

(...)

These amendments do little to address penal code provisions that allow the government to jail, torture, and execute people who criticize the government. If Iran wants to comply with its human rights obligations, it should completely and categorically ban deplorable practices like child executions, limb amputations, and stoning.

Iran: Proposed Penal Code Deeply Flawed | Human Rights Watch

You still haven't answered my question.

Your regime has the power to execute innocent people. Executions are being frequently used to control the opposition. Are you okay with the fact that, the fate of your life and limbs are in between the lips of your religious leaders?

 

[Serpentine]

Social groups in Iran united against Shah, socialists were dreaming a red Iran while Mullahs were preparing themselves for theocracy. In Turkey, we don't have that kind of unity: Leftists hate Kemalists and Islamists, Kemalists hate Islamists, Islamists hate Leftists and Kurds hate every one of them.
Anyways, I always admire Tudeh guys and MEK, but they both are insufficient for a counterrevolution.

Believe me, both Communists and Mek are hated by every Iranian citizen, from those hardcore regime supporters to Strong opponents. Their school of thought is buried in history's trash can.No one believes them anymore.

In the first years of revolution, they had some support, but it's almost zero now.

 

[mehmeTcc]

Believe me, both Communists and Mek are hated by every Iranian citizen, from those hardcore regime supporters to Strong opponents. Their school of thought is buried in history's trash can.No one believes them anymore.

In the first years of revolution, they had some support, but it's almost zero now.

That's why I call them insufficient . Iran needs a new movement.

 

[SOHEIL]

That's why I call them insufficient . Iran needs a new movement.

new movement ! or new terrorists !? (turkish/arab)

the same as Syria