What is your favorite Turkic Muslim Empire?

[T-123456]

The Seljuk empire!

 

[ASQ-1918]

What is san haram ?

The sentence "Ey Xətayi, deməgil anın şərabın sən haram" means "O Khatai, don't say that his wine is haram"

"While as the Safavids were an Iranian people , their origins were a Turkish speaking Iranian people which also spoke Persian, from the northern part of Iran, and also they went on to keep their Persian identity and thrive under it, Referring to themselves as Persian and not as Turks."

Their supposed "Iranian origin" involves that the ultimate ancestor moved from some other region of Iran to Azerbaijan, where the family would supposedly adopt Turkic tongue because of living among Turks. So your repeated mentionings of their supposed "Iranian origin" and talking about "northern Iran" does not make sense, their supposed non-Turkic ancestry involves it from being somewhere else! But that it also not true, and even if true, has no relevance to when Safavid Empire was actually founded. Shah Ismail was a Turk by blood, apart from that, he had a Aq-Qoyunlu side aswell like said. His native tongue was Azerbaijani Turkish, and he was one of the few to write so extensive in Azerbaijani Turkish during that period. "They spoke Persian" does not make slightest sense, as Persian was the lingua-franca of the Muslim world. Any educated person spoke it. On the other hand, their primary and mother tongue was Azerbaijani Turkish.

How can you disregard the Turkic Qizilbash element is also beyond me. Remember, Safavid empire was also a Qizilbash empire at the same time.

How did they consider themselves as "Persian"? That is, as belonging to Persian ethnicity? That is totally retarded. Your example is totally irrelevant too: "This verse occurs in the Ahsanu't-Tawarikh and runs, "The illuminator of the crown and throne of the Kayánians, The upholder of the star of the Káwayán"

That says absolutely nothing about what he considered himself as. That is only a reference to him being the ruler of Iran, you honestly don't understand that? There is no such reference to be found in his poetry whatsoever.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Also an interesting reference to Shah Ismail.

This quote below is very revealing, with a reference to his Khatai figure (his pen-name), and him with this Khatai figure having a spiritual connection to his Turkic followers.

 

[Neptune]

enough...not only by foreigners but also from our guys

 

[Neptune]

Alright gents, thread has been re-opened. i did not have much time to clean it up, but will do for sure. @Our guys,and others; pls don't respond to trolls. Just report it

 

[atatwolf]

This thread needs a proper opening...

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Enjoy lads

 

[telkon]

yeah, that mehter orchestra is one hell of a pumper always wanted to watch TSK mehter band. they say its the best.

and on the empires, my favourite is Timurid empire

 

[Burger Boy]

I don't think the Persian-speaking states should count even if they were ethnically Turks.....that's a grey area

Otherwise You should've included Timurids but didn't include them since Timur was evil.

I'm not voting But anyway, even if I did....even with those taken out, this epic music would be enough for selection of my choice:

 

[RangerPK]

Forget about 'unified country', China was piece of landmass with no name....India discovered it and gave it's name.....and civilized it's people....

India came into being in 1947. Rest of your post does not even make sense and is quite retarded.

I voted for Ottoman Empire.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

India came into being in 1947. Rest of your post does not even make sense and is quite retarded.

Yet the 'mahabharata' was composed 2 and a half millenia ago.Somehow ur post doesn't make sense and is quite retarded.

 

[RangerPK]

Yet the 'mahabharata' was composed 2 and a half millenia ago.Somehow ur post doesn't make sense and is quite retarded.

More retardation coming from an Indian...you are delusional to the point of sounding schizophrenic.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

More retardation coming from an Indian...you are delusional to the point of sounding schizophrenic.

If u have an answer give it,otherwise why bother to waste our mutual time?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

One person even called Great Seljuk as Turk-Persian?

Safavid, Great Seljuk, Ottoman, Mughals, Mamluks, Huns, Gökturk all Turkic Empires end of discussion.

Huns ? There is no solid proof of that. Others are correct.

 

[SALMAN F]

Safavids are from imam musa al kazim son hamza so they are originally from banu hashim they have nothing to do with Turks or kurds only their material line

 

[Aslan]

Oh please Suleiman was a Kashmiri from Lahore !

You mean he was anything butt.