What is the establishements plan if a secessionist movement begins in KP if they actually remove IK from the picture?

[TheSolution]

Okay, so it is commonly believed among Pakistanis that the establishment want to remove Imran Khan by all means necessary.

Many journalists and people are warning about the rise of an armed secessionist movement in KPK, and hinting at Bangladesh?

Does the establishment/Pak fauj have any contingency plans if such a thing is to happen? Why are they so confident? Or is this all just a bluff to unite everyone and bring back Khan (bad bluff to be honest)?

 

[Acetic Acid]

Agr KP gya to sath me Gilgit Kashmir or CPEC bhi jaiy ga

1st of all it's not going that far
2ndly military is capable of suppressing any such thing as long as pashtoons in army and FC are obeying the orders

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Or is this all just a bluff to unite everyone and bring back Khan (bad bluff to be honest)?

Yah that's what it is

 

[Respect4Respect01]

Its not punjabis vs pashtoons anymore brother, its all about elite class vs rest of the Pakistan

 

[TheSolution]

Its not punjabis vs pashtoons anymore brother, its all about elite class vs rest of the Pakistan

Perhaps, but still vast majority of Pashtuns I think see it through an ethnic angle. Plus many ethno nationalist groups see it as a perfect time to throw ethnic angle on it.

I think ethnic hatred is brewing especially with targeted racism against Punjabis by others, so expect reactionary nationalism to rise

 

[hussain0216]

Perhaps, but still vast majority of Pashtuns I think see it through an ethnic angle. Plus many ethno nationalist groups see it as a perfect time to throw ethnic angle on it.

I think ethnic hatred is brewing especially with targeted racism against Punjabis by others, so expect reactionary nationalism to rise

They will try, but the fall of the Afghan Republic really really kicked the stuffing out of them


What I find funny is

Monday to Saturday - Punjab, Punjab, Punjab, kala kala, Punjab, Ranjit, Lahore Ranjit, Heera Mandi, Punjab

Sunday - Oh my god, they insulted afghans

 

[Skull and Bones]

Enters Mukti Bahini 2.0

 

[TheSolution]

They will try, but the fall of the Afghan Republic really really kicked the stuffing out of them


What I find funny is

Monday to Saturday - Punjab, Punjab, Punjab, kala kala, Punjab, Ranjit, Lahore Ranjit, Heera Mandi, Punjab

Sunday - Oh my god, they insulted afghans

Pretty much

 

[HerbertPervert]

I think ethnic hatred is brewing especially with targeted racism against Punjabis by others, so expect reactionary nationalism to rise

You think it's brewing? Have you tried visiting other provinces and asking other ethnic groups what they think of Punjabis or Pakistan? This isn't just Baloch or Pashtuns. You'll find hatred in Gilgit Baltistan, AJK, and even Sindh. Ask Bengalis in Bangladesh who they blame for the fall of East Pakistan?

This happening not because of ordinary Punjabis living ordinary lives. This is happening because the army establishment has been overwhelmingly Punjabi and so has the ruling power structure. Figure heads from different ethnic groups won't solve the problem and is seen only as a band-aid.

This is also happening because KPK, Balochistan are far less developed than Punjab due to most of power structure being from Punjab and consuming more of the resources since votes from other provinces didn't matter. PMLN has used the center, which is usually guaranteed because Punjab, to fund projects that benefit Central Punjab at the expense of the country. Just to give you one example, Orange Metro line, costing billions of dollars, was built to benefit Lahore instead of building ML-1 rail which would have benefitted the entire country.

Remember how CPEC originally was supposed to run through western Pakistan to Gwadar, was changed by PMLN to run through Punjab instead? PTI focused on ML-1, uplifting Balochistan, ex-FATA, interior Sindh so the disparity in western half of the country can be resolved, along with militancy and separatism. In contrast, people here can remember Shehbaz Sharif literally asked TTP to spare Punjab, as if the rest of the country was acceptable loss.

If you want this hatred to stop, then try uplifting the other parts of the country and building much more inclusive government where every ethnicity has a share. Ironically, Zardari passing the 18th amendment was beneficial since it gave the provinces the ability to uplift themselves. Had something like this existed before 1971, we could avoid Bangladesh like issues.

 

[Friday]

im from KPK and people who could cry for Pakhtoonistan are enjoying perks with PDM govts. Fight against establishment is started from Punjab and KPK will take it to its logical end. Period.

 

[TheSolution]

You think it's brewing? Have you tried visiting other provinces and asking other ethnic groups what they think of Punjabis or Pakistan? This isn't just Baloch or Pashtuns. You'll find hatred in Gilgit Baltistan, AJK, and even Sindh. Ask Bengalis in Bangladesh who they blame for the fall of East Pakistan?

This happening not because of ordinary Punjabis living ordinary lives. This is happening because the army establishment has been overwhelmingly Punjabi and so has the ruling power structure. Figure heads from different ethnic groups won't solve the problem and is seen only as a band-aid.

This is also happening because KPK, Balochistan are far less developed than Punjab due to most of power structure being from Punjab and consuming more of the resources since votes from other provinces didn't matter. PMLN has used the center, which is usually guaranteed because Punjab, to fund projects that benefit Central Punjab at the expense of the country. Just to give you one example, Orange Metro line, costing billions of dollars, was built to benefit Lahore instead of building ML-1 rail which would have benefitted the entire country.

Remember how CPEC originally was supposed to run through western Pakistan to Gwadar, was changed by PMLN to run through Punjab instead? PTI focused on ML-1, uplifting Balochistan, ex-FATA, interior Sindh so the disparity in western half of the country can be resolved, along with militancy and separatism. In contrast, people here can remember Shehbaz Sharif literally asked TTP to spare Punjab, as if the rest of the country was acceptable loss.

If you want this hatred to stop, then try uplifting the other parts of the country and building much more inclusive government where every ethnicity has a share.

Punjab has historically always been more developed.

And you can't help areas that refuse to help themselves and instead shoot themselves in their own foot.

Baloch were destroying infrastructure built as part of CPEC and protesting against it.

KPK for the former part of the last decade has been plagued with the Taliban insurgency. Most of the people in rural areas don't even want the development you envision, they are tribal people and prefer it that way.

The problem has always been CULTURAL. Certain cultures are stuck too far in the past when it comes to running a nation state.

 

[Imran Khan]

they have simple plan

lets rule like generals of Alexander the great

few will be generals in islamic republic of punjab
few will be generals of sindhu desh
few will grab generals democratic republic of balochistan

KPK AJK GB will be yet to decide .

 

[lightning F57]

Highly doubt this will happen given most of the country is against PDM and its military overlords.

 

[Sayfullah]

I’m Punjabi.
If IK is killed KPK should start a rebellion.
I rather have a Pashtun leader than the current Taghut in power.
A ghairatmand Muslim Pashtun is always going to be better than a secular slave Punjabi.
I don’t care about ethnicity. I care about merit. Whoever can rule Pakistan and make it the Pakistan that Iqbal envisioned, that’s my leader.
If these Taghut in power kill IK and crackdown on pti supporters, I will support my Pashtun brothers in a rebellion against these Taghuti forces. Once KPK is free it can be a launching ground to free Punjab and Sindh from Taghuti forces.

 

[HerbertPervert]

Punjab has historically always been more developed.

And you can't help areas that refuse to help themselves and instead shoot themselves in their own foot.

Baloch were destroying infrastructure built as part of CPEC and protesting against it.

KPK for the former part of the last decade has been plagued with the Taliban insurgency. Most of the people in rural areas don't even want the development you envision, they are tribal people and prefer it that way.

The problem has always been CULTURAL. Certain cultures are stuck too far in the past when it comes to running a nation state.

Nonsense. Where was the government for past 50 years to develop Balochistan or KPK? Only during Musharraf's time did Balochistan & KPK start to be taken seriously, by then it was 50 years too late.

What about the Bengalis? Did their culture prevent development? They export more than Pakistan and are ahead! They claim the same thing, that they were simply a colony for a Punjabi and Urdu dominated establishment.